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tonyee
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  		   Posted 24/02/2009 10:25 PM    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Who do they benefit?  Well certainly the police/courts/criminal justice system.....But what about the accused?Things are SLOWLY starting to change ,but too little and too slowly.A caution is not a soft option,and the implications of agreeing to accept one from the police should be fully explained.Otherwise demand a solicitor,do not accept and a caution ,and go for the judicial system.
                                                       If you accept a caution your guilt is 100%  guaranteed ,but many cases via the justice system do not lead to a court case or indeed a guilty verdict.Big changes are needed to this unfair and ubjust practice of the police issuing cautions and someone held on a CRB checklist for life.Tonyee
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  		   Posted 25/02/2009 10:27 AM    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Very fair point.

The implications of a caution is often not made clear to an indvidual. When coupled with the fact that legal aid solicitors now get paid fixed fees for police station representation (as opposed to by the hour) it is in both theirs and the polices interest to proceed with a caution. This amounts to an "offence brought to justice" apparently (not quite sure what they term as justice - doesn't seem like justice to me) and so is another tick in the box for the stats.

The problem could also lie partially with the CRB. Should cautions always be revealed in so many applications. Because so many jobs noq require enhanced checks, the effect of cautions is becoming more profound!
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  		   Posted 07/03/2009 04:09 PM    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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How right you are. Moodymum here has a caution for having an arrest argument with a next door neighbour. It took the police ywo days and them there was no discussion just straight and locked in a cell. This was at 3pm and I was released with a caution at 10pm. Had I known the implication the caution would have on my life I would have sat it out and gone to court. I was moving house the next day and just want to get home and finish off. I just wish now I had done something to warrent it. This seemed to me like a very quick clean up record for the police, but are we really that sad that neighbours cant disagree about something without the police being called?
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  		   Posted 08/03/2009 09:56 PM    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Lots of changes needed to present system of police cautions.1/  full implications of acceptance explained with cooling of period allowed (it is for financial etc so why not cautions?)  2/  time limits on CRB files if no further offences are committed  3/ any dna and photos to be scrapped after a period of time to align with calls to to do the same with people arrested and not charged or found not guilty in a court of law.4/safeguards introduced to prevent police from abusing the caution system with vunerable people.
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  		   Posted 10/03/2009 12:51 PM    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Check out these statistics for the number of cautions given in 2008

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2009-03-09a.254496.h&s=offender+section%3Awrans#g254496.r0

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  		   Posted 05/11/2009 07:19 PM    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Just thought that this may also be of interest - this is a Home Office Circular which describes how the police should issue cautions.

Visit http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/about-us/publications/home-office-circulars/circulars-2008/016-2008/
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  		   Posted 09/11/2009 11:48 AM    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
There is a BBC 1 Panorama Programme on tonight at 8.30 around the use of cautions - it is, admittedly, from the side of "we shouldn't use them as its a soft option", but should be interesting nevertheless.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/panorama/hi/front_page/newsid_8341000/8341162.stm
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  		   Posted 10/11/2009 07:43 PM    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Jack Straw is going to review the use of Police Cautions.

www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/nov/09/jack-straw-police-cautions-review
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6909760.ece

Almost worth looking at these links just for the pictures of Jack!

Obviously the reason for the review is that people are 'getting away with just a caution' rather than a concern that people might end up with cautions when proper consideration might have resulted in something more like justice...

If there are 8 million people on the Government's Offender Index, does the law-abiding majority really exist?

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