By punter99 - 16 Sep 24 11:16 AM
+xWhen I came out of prison I found my console wouldn't turn on. I spoke to a repairer and they said it was either the power supply or the hard drive. I spoke to PPU and they had no system that would allow me to get it repaired. The issue being of course that I _could_ have had (but didn't) something on the hard drive that I was trying to hide. I couldn't sell it if course, so just had to surrender it to them. Pretty sure some copper got it repaired for fifty quid and helped himself. They don't care that their rules are vague, self-contradictory, impossible and just occasionally, laughable; I had to register my new Thermostat because it's an "internet enabled device"... Unfortunately, the butt of the joke is us.
Interesting. I wonder if smart meters have to be registered too, as they use the internet. Same for video doorbells. As for the console, most SHPOs do not contain restrictions on repairing or selling devices, but they do talk about deleting internet history. There was a loophole in the SHPO, when it comes to telling the PPU about selling devices too. You have to tell them when you acquire a device, but not when you get rid of one. If you sell a device to a shop and they delete the data on it, not you, then arguably that is not a breach of the SHPO.
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By Was - 16 Sep 24 1:51 PM
+xInteresting. I wonder if smart meters have to be registered too, as they use the internet. Same for video doorbells. As for the console, most SHPOs do not contain restrictions on repairing or selling devices, but they do talk about deleting internet history. There was a loophole in the SHPO, when it comes to telling the PPU about selling devices too. You have to tell them when you acquire a device, but not when you get rid of one. If you sell a device to a shop and they delete the data on it, not you, then arguably that is not a breach of the SHPO.
Smart meters I would say no as they are owned by the utility company and you have no access other than via a fixed device, but video doorbells yes...
However, I did go through a rather extensive list of absolutely everything in my flat that might even hint at being internet accessible. I gave them a list of all my bluetooth devices, dongles, video recorders, and anything with an Ethernet cable, as well as all wi-fi devices and broken equipment and TVs. Pointless, but it made me happy that they'd have to waste their time entering them all into the system. A minor "taking back control" win!
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By AB2014 - 17 Sep 24 11:40 AM
+x+xInteresting. I wonder if smart meters have to be registered too, as they use the internet. Same for video doorbells. As for the console, most SHPOs do not contain restrictions on repairing or selling devices, but they do talk about deleting internet history. There was a loophole in the SHPO, when it comes to telling the PPU about selling devices too. You have to tell them when you acquire a device, but not when you get rid of one. If you sell a device to a shop and they delete the data on it, not you, then arguably that is not a breach of the SHPO. Smart meters I would say no as they are owned by the utility company and you have no access other than via a fixed device, but video doorbells yes... However, I did go through a rather extensive list of absolutely everything in my flat that might even hint at being internet accessible. I gave them a list of all my bluetooth devices, dongles, video recorders, and anything with an Ethernet cable, as well as all wi-fi devices and broken equipment and TVs. Pointless, but it made me happy that they'd have to waste their time entering them all into the system. A minor "taking back control" win!
First of all, the argument about disposing of internet-enabled devices isn't as clear as you might think. After all, if the police turn up and ask to inspect that device and you can't prove that you've got rid of it, they would probably assume that you're hiding it, which is a breach of your SHPO. So, if you do sell or donate a device, make sure you get a proper receipt.
Secondly, some utility companies will put in their terms and conditions that either you own the smart meter or it becomes your property after a certain period of time. It's worth checking, just to be sure.
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By Was - 17 Sep 24 2:49 PM
+xFirst of all, the argument about disposing of internet-enabled devices isn't as clear as you might think.
Is this a reply to my post? I never mentioned getting rid of internet enabled devices.
However it is, as you say, clear as mud. An external disk drive is clearly not an internet enabled device, but via another device can be connected to the internet. A lot depends on how an individual SHPO is phrased and whether you are prepared to argue that in front of a judge!
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By AB2014 - 17 Sep 24 3:57 PM
+x+xFirst of all, the argument about disposing of internet-enabled devices isn't as clear as you might think. Is this a reply to my post? I never mentioned getting rid of internet enabled devices. However it is, as you say, clear as mud. An external disk drive is clearly not an internet enabled device, but via another device can be connected to the internet. A lot depends on how an individual SHPO is phrased and whether you are prepared to argue that in front of a judge!
No, I probably clicked the wrong "Reply" button, but there were two different posts involved and I'm not someone who will make two posts when one will do, which obviously didn't work out so well this time. The point about disposing of internet-enable devices was made by punter99, and you made the point about smart meters.
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By Mo22 - 28 Oct 22 4:55 AM
Hi does anyone have any knowledge or experience with internet and PC security on a SHPO. I had my second visit and after inspecting my PC my PPO said I shouldn’t have kaspeky security as I can access the dark web I said but it’s a security software like avg etc. she said because it’s out of date and not fully secured I’m lucky 🤔 it could be a breach. I said you have the software on here anyway I don’t understand. Does she mean because you can get a VPN? I asked what I’m I supposed to do for security for virus and internet protection. They didn’t answer is so many words.
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