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Mirrorman — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:57:48 GMT

Yankee said...
I was told in advance by the police when i notified travel than the e-gates wouldn't work.

I've subsequently tried the e-Gates at Heathrow and Stansted. Neither would let me through and both times had to be directed to a desk for a manual passport inspection (no issues, 30 seconds to swipe and let me through)

This basically confirms that as soon as notification is given an alert will be sent out 100% of the time, doesn't matter what the offense was/how long/sentence received/etc...

Following the entire system - treat everyone the same - all a danger to everyone. Absolutely ludicrous.

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JohnL — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:57:48 GMT

That is of interest, but I believe it refers more to those entering the UK from other countries who are not British nationals.

The other thing, is most other countries, apart from the US and Canada mostly, don't widely share criminal information, so the whole project was a massive waste of money

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Mintaka — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:57:48 GMT

Would this be relevant to the conversation?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34988913

Who said life was going to be easy?

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BenS — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:57:48 GMT

Mirrorman said...
Explain?!

I.e. since the new Schengen Information System came in earlier this year.

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Mirrorman — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:57:48 GMT

BenS said...
6 weeks ago (i.e. after the notification system was strengthened),

Explain?!

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BenS — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:57:48 GMT

6 weeks ago (i.e. after the notification system was strengthened), I went from Dover to Calais and all cars were just waved through, by both UK and French border guards. Neither were interested in looking at passports or anything else.

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Yankee — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:57:48 GMT

I was told in advance by the police when i notified travel than the e-gates wouldn't work.

I've subsequently tried the e-Gates at Heathrow and Stansted. Neither would let me through and both times had to be directed to a desk for a manual passport inspection (no issues, 30 seconds to swipe and let me through)

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Mirrorman — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:57:48 GMT

All of the information about this scheme is right there in front of you.

I do endless amounts of hours of research on this topic as it directly affects me, you'd be shocked to learn the extent the police will go to try and control.

It's all there on official Government websites. They will take the APIS that is gathered up by the airlines and it will be sent directly to the Home Office, this will then be checked against ViSOR and if there is no record of notification they'll arrest you for failure to comply.

Unless you left the shores in a dingy and landed on mainland Europe they will know you have left.

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JohnL — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:57:48 GMT

Again, what fact do you have to support that? How would the information be picked up?

Advanced passenger notices are not required for all travel within the EU, just by air I think...

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Mirrorman — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:57:48 GMT

That information is picked up well before that and sent directly to the Home Office.

They'll then check that against any notification given - if there is nothing on the system you'd be arrested.

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JohnL — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:57:48 GMT

How do you think they'd pick you up when leaving? Some airports are scanning passports on exit, but they're often not done by border force but just by the airport security people. You're right in that, in that instance, you'd be flagged as swiping out of the country but I doubt that it would set a flag off, otherwise how would people be able to fly to Thailand etc and just disappear?

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Mirrorman — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:57:48 GMT

Actually you'd be picked up at your port of exit within the UK, you wouldn't even get out of the country.

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JohnL — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:57:48 GMT

But if you don't notify of travel, you'll still be picked up, most probably re-entering, when the UK border agents scan your passport.

So you can't, and don't really want, to get around notifying

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Mirrorman — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:57:48 GMT

Green Notice lasts for as long as the requesting country wants, up to 5 years.

SIS alert lasts for a year, unless it is extended by review.

Unless the authorities are notified, there will be no alert.

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JohnL — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:57:48 GMT

Hi Cory,

I haven't tried them recently to be honest, but knowing some of the ins and outs of the system in terms of Schengen travel alerts etc, whilst you're notifying travel to PPU, your passport will always flag at e-gates. If your PPU told you that it wouldn't it's either because they were lying and didn't like you asking the question, or they didn't know the answer but also didn't want to look like they didn't know so just gave an answer, if that makes sense.

The real test will be when you come off notifying. What SHOULD happen is that the alerts will no longer be there and you'll be able to use the e-gates again like anyone else, but this hasn't been tested yet so we wait to see.

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dicky6 — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:57:48 GMT

Before manchester changed to all scanned system, I used to go to the self scan lane knowing that it would come up with the red cross. However, because it di I was directed to the front of the queue thus not having wait! Method in my madness!

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Cory1971 — Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:03:46 GMT

I thought I would give my new Passport a try at MIA upon returning from Hamburg last week, alas it came up red and I was directed to the desk, who as always was very polite, asked where I had been and then handed me my passport back, has anyone else tried the E-Lanes at any Airport recently, I did query with my PPU Office before going and they said it should let you through.