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RE: Name and shame list of employers who discriminate against people with unspent convictions

Deb S — Mon, 07 Nov 2016 09:59:46 GMT

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[b]james gtr manchester - 6 Nov 16 9:12 AM[/b]

Manchester Airport now!

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Hi James

What was the nature of the job at Manchester Airport?

Would it have been a role that would have required an airside pass?

Debs

Name and shame list of employers who discriminate against people with unspent convictions

aim — Mon, 07 Nov 2016 09:59:46 GMT

In the spirit of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974 and the legal power it gives employers to discriminate against people with unspent convictions I am exercising my right of free speech to name the employers who have rejected me for employment on the basis of my unspent conviction. Please feel free to add to the list below.

Royal Bank of Canada
The Prudential
LV=

RE: Name and shame list of employers who discriminate against people with unspent convictions

james gtr manchester — Sun, 06 Nov 2016 09:12:18 GMT

Manchester Airport now!

RE: Name and shame list of employers who discriminate against people with unspent convictions

Sky — Fri, 21 Oct 2016 23:27:17 GMT

New Look - I was offered a job but the offer was subsequently withdrawn after I informed the manager that I had a conviction.
Clarks

RE: Name and shame list of employers who discriminate against people with unspent convictions

james gtr manchester — Sat, 20 Aug 2016 01:30:17 GMT

experian (southport)
Silverbug
UKFast

james gtr manchester — Fri, 19 Aug 2016 23:21:26 GMT

HI,

I've been doing some research with regards to the FCA and employment of people within the financial sector

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We have a fit and proper test which is a benchmark weuse to assess whether an individual is suitable to perform a controlled function. Examples of controlled functions include being a director of a regulated firm, overseeing the firms systems and controls and being responsible for compliance with our rules.

When considering an individual's fitness and propriety we look at honesty including openness with self-disclosures, integrity, reputation and competence and capability and financial soundness. But we don't have any specific rules around the firms we regulate employing individuals with convictions.

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I've looked at the FCA policy and the following is states (

FIT 2.1 Honesty, integrity and reputation)

G07/03/2016

A relevant authorised person determining the honesty, integrity and reputation of staff being assessed under FIT, should consider all relevant matters, including those set out inFIT 2.1.3G, which may have arisen either in the United Kingdom or elsewhere. Firmsshould inform themselves of relevant matters, including checking for convictions for criminal offences (where possible) and contacting previous employers who have employed that candidate or person. If any staff being assessed under FIT has a conviction for a criminal offence, the firm should consider the seriousness of and circumstances surrounding the offence, the explanation offered by that person, the relevance of the offence to the proposed role, the passage of time since the offence was committed and evidence of the individual’s rehabilitation.

Name and shame list of employers who discriminate against people with unspent convictions

modelcitizen — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:55:53 GMT

NHS in mental health care, 10 years after 2 minor offences on the same day. "Its not our policy to employ" the man in charge kept repeating (management training teaches them to repeat the same sentence till you give up). Their loss, applied to do Youth work at Social Services and they have always been very understanding.

Name and shame list of employers who discriminate against people with unspent convictions

aim — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:55:53 GMT

It all depends on what type of job and at what level. There is a lot of competition for roles and excluding those candidates with an unspent conviction is a quick way to whittle down the list. As is degree result or A level grades. I work in finance and will always have to declare unspent convictions as they will check. I didn't want to be caught out, as then I am a liar and a criminal, which isn't a great combination for employment prospects. I have been given jobs with an unspent conviction and other offers have been retracted because of the conviction. For me to apply for roles where they would ask was not idiotic as I am at least in with a chance if I keep applying. I was discriminated against but that isn't news. Many big companies blab on about equality and diversity but will be very quick to exclude you with a conviction.

We're veering off topic. This thread is to name those companies that upon declaration revoke a job offer based solely on your criminal record.

I have another to add: Hyphen resourcing www.hyphen.com/

Post Edited (aim) : 11/03/2014 16:24:49 GMT

Name and shame list of employers who discriminate against people with unspent convictions

AW83 — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:55:53 GMT

Mirrorman said...

aim said...
Hi Mirrorman - so you're unable to name a company that offered you a job and retracted the offer after you disclosed?

I never disclose, ever. It's idiotic to do so.

In my eyes asking for a CBR will result in no job offer so any job who asks for one are discriminating from the start.

I think you have the right idea very few employers especially those with dedicated HR teams care about your past your a crim in their eyes and there are 30 people waiting in line for the same job you applied for so no loss to them
if they require a dbs i may risk telling them or just turn down the job and leave there are no incentives for telling the truth yes the the system as it is now encourages you be dishonest which doesnt help our image as a whole.

Name and shame list of employers who discriminate against people with unspent convictions

Mirrorman — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:55:53 GMT

aim said...
Hi Mirrorman - so you're unable to name a company that offered you a job and retracted the offer after you disclosed?

I never disclose, ever. It's idiotic to do so.

In my eyes asking for a CBR will result in no job offer so any job who asks for one are discriminating from the start.

Name and shame list of employers who discriminate against people with unspent convictions

aim — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:55:53 GMT

Hi Gyrth,

What a nonsense! An unrelated offence and no risk to children, perfect for the role, but a blot on your character.

Was your sentence for 3 months (as you said served) or for six months?

Have a look at /www.gov.uk/government/publications/new-guidance-on-the-rehabilitation-of-offenders-act-1974

Let's assume worst case of sentenced to six months, and served three, and you got out in December 2009 which under the new rules would make your conviction spent in December 2011.

You will be spent on 10 March 2014 - hopefully the role where the head was supportive is still open....

Name and shame list of employers who discriminate against people with unspent convictions

Gyrth — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:55:53 GMT

All Schools - I have spent the last 8 months training to be a teaching assistant working with children with Autism. In 2009 I served 3 months for a theft related to my debt problems at the time.
Every job I've applied for so far has all been the same - not while you have unspent conviction - clearly my time was not related to anything that would make me a danger to children, and nor have I been marked as not being able to work with them either when I get my DBS check.
One headmistress wanted to give me the role I applied for saying I was perfect and everything she wanted in a support teacher role, but HR said no, despite her arguing my case for 2 hours.

Name and shame list of employers who discriminate against people with unspent convictions

simon — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:55:53 GMT

Securicor,

The prison service.

Name and shame list of employers who discriminate against people with unspent convictions

simon — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:55:53 GMT

This is why they are all crying over the new ROA periods.

They like being nosy and now they can't. They are being forced to treat everybody equally

and they do not like it!

Name and shame list of employers who discriminate against people with unspent convictions

The Stig — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:55:53 GMT

Mirrorman

You are right that every employer will discriminate but there are some that won't and trust me there are only a few. So what is the point in name and shame them here. I think the hole problem is with the employers and it's mostly around disclosing , discriminating and CRB checks even though the R.O.A as changed and made it better for people with convictions I still think the underlying problem is with the employer. Let me give you an example:-

I have an unspent conviction I declare this at the application stage (discriminated at that stage)

I have an unspent conviction I declare this at the interview stage but failed to declare it at the application stage (discriminated at that stage)

Now let me move on to disclosing

When is the good time to disclose to an employer? Well there ain't is there. A lot of people on here will tell you it is best to disclose right from the start. People without convictions think totally different to the one's that do. What i am trying to say is you got to change the mind set of employers. Employers have to many rules and laws that back them up and they are exploiting this with you and me. This is why I think that the equality act 2010 should be reviewed again.

Now what if I had a spent record and you are legally right not to disclose but later down the road of your employment your employer wanted to do a CRB check and finds out about your conviction. Two things can happon

You tell your employer before he get the CRB done or wait till the CRB comes back and await the outcome. He or she can make two decisions get rid of you or keep you.

It is simple really employers have the law on there side and this needs to be sorted out even though I think the ROA changes are good there are still a lot of things need sorting out with the employer side of things.

What do you think CS

We all accept our crimes but should we be punished more for it?

Name and shame list of employers who discriminate against people with unspent convictions

aim — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:55:53 GMT

Hi Mirrorman - so you're unable to name a company that offered you a job and retracted the offer after you disclosed?

Name and shame list of employers who discriminate against people with unspent convictions

Mirrorman — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:55:53 GMT

I don't get the point of this?

Basically EVERY company will discriminate. Every single one of them.

Better to have a list of those who won't.

Name and shame list of employers who discriminate against people with unspent convictions

The Stig — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:55:53 GMT

www.princes-trust.org.uk/pdf/MS%201%20Guidelines%20apr08.pdf

Plz take a look at this about M&S. The one thing that caught my eye was.

The criteria for selection guidelines will tell you who is and is not eligible. The main issues
are around unspent convictions. If a young person has an unspent conviction they will
need to be willing to declare this. The information M&S require is date of offence, age of
person at the time, what the offence was (as much details as possible) and outcome. i.e.
caution, fine, YOI.
This information will be passed to M&S Head office but not to the store where the
placement is due to take place. M&S Head office will decide whether the placement can
go ahead or not you will be notified of their response.
N.B. M&S will not accept currently serving prisoners onto Marks & Start placements

We all accept our crimes but should we be punished more for it?

Name and shame list of employers who discriminate against people with unspent convictions

nelson1805 — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:55:53 GMT

The National Library of Scotland

Name and shame list of employers who discriminate against people with unspent convictions

aim — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:55:53 GMT

We are told by these big firms they do not discriminate, e.g.

M&S www.recruitwithconviction.org.uk/index.php/2011/11/hiring-ex-offenders-and-homeless-morally-right-says-ms/

MPS application form: "Ideally, you should not have a criminal record but some minor offences may not exclude you from joining the police service"

LV= www.jobs.lv.com/what-we-offer "In line with our values, we treat everyone fairly irrespective of gender, marital status, sexual orientation, race, colour, nationality, ethnic origin, culture, religion or belief, age, disability or any other reason that cannot be reasonably justified. Through our Equality and Diversity Policy, plus all our other People Policies, we make sure that everyone’s valued and treated equally and fairly, with dignity and respect."

The point is that an unspent conviction is the biggest stumbling block to employment. The government 'encourages' big business to hire people with unspent convictions and they all have their blurb on how fair they are but this thread is to give examples of the reality which quite often is discrimination. We know obviously they do but having these companies named is a start. Most people don't talk about this due to the sensitive nature of disclosing so this practice goes unchecked.

Name and shame list of employers who discriminate against people with unspent convictions

ChocMuffin — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:55:53 GMT

Well obviously they are going to discriminate against you if your conviction isn't spent. I don't get it.

Name and shame list of employers who discriminate against people with unspent convictions

The Stig — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:55:53 GMT

Marks & Spencer

We all accept our crimes but should we be punished more for it?

Name and shame list of employers who discriminate against people with unspent convictions

simon — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:55:53 GMT

the royal mint

Name and shame list of employers who discriminate against people with unspent convictions

turbo — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:55:53 GMT

Network rail

Name and shame list of employers who discriminate against people with unspent convictions

simon — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:55:53 GMT

met police.