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Seeking Employment

jcdmcr — Thu, 20 Aug 2020 10:55:50 GMT

I'm a registered sex offender, and nearing the end of my tether I just feel like the last 4 and a bit years have been crazy my original conviction was for 17 deleted images and i've been hounded and profiled non stop by greater manchester police and west yorkshire police.

At no point can anyone explain to my how such a draconian and onerous order was imposed, no one can tell me about why RvSmith and RvMortimer was ignored. Nor can anyone explain to me why when I travel green notices are issued by forces.

It has got to the point where I feel i've been completely mistreated, misrepresented. I just don't know what to do or where to go to progress, I dont know how to move on and find work, I dont to how I can even start work.

Last year I approached west yorkshire police I was offered 2 jobs at starbucks and home bargains. I was told that I couldn't start them on the basis that Children would be ordering. or buying sweets etc. This year i'm told, hey you can go for those jobs. Who do I believe or who do I trust when one year they say one thing, and the next another.

I just dont know what to do

This is from my indictment

PROSECUTION ALLEGATIONS AND ISSUES:

The police executed a warrant at the defendant's address on 8/8/15.

A number of electrical items were removed.Examination of a laptop revealed inaccessible indecent images of children at Categories A, Band C.Admissions have been made by the defendant to his partner who has provided a statement.

Every image found states
This image has been recovered from a 'Thum bs.db' file on the Windows user profile of '********''.Thumbs.db files are generated by the Windows operating system to enable a user of the OS to see athumbnail representation of a number of graphic files in a single location. These 'system' files are notreadily accessible without specialist knowledge.

This is from my certificate of convictionaking

indecent photographs of children x 18 making indecent photographs of children x 18

SHPO

Bearing in mind my offence was for 18 deleted images, how does that translate into a SHPO like this????

1. Having contact either directly or indirectly with any child under 16 years except:
(a) Normal, incidental and not reasonably avoidable in the course of lawful day to day life
(b) Contact with the express written approval of Social Services for the area where the defendant is residing
(c) Contact with any child to whom the defendant is the biological father and a court order pursuant to the Children's Act 1989 has been granted
authorising contact.
2. Residing at any address without prior approval of his Police Offender Manager (SOMU).
3. Possessing or using any computer or device capable of accessing the internet including mobile phones unless:
(a)The make model and serial number of the device have been notified to a Police Offender Manager for the area where he resides AND
b) It has installed and maintained, monitoring software that is approved and monitored by Greater Manchester Police or any other police force in
the area in which he lives. AND
c) He does not tamper interfere remove bypass disable alter or attempt to do any of those things to the components or settings relating to the
installed risk management software.
d) With exception of a device owned and used within a public library -0r internet cafe the details of which he has provided details to his Police
Offender Manager.
OR
The device is used solely for the purposes of work or employment (other than self-employment), is not removed by or on behalf of the Defendant
from the employer's premises, internet use of the device is subject to security measures monitored by the employer which are deemed suitable
by the Public protection Unit of the Police Force in which he lives ..
4. Taking up employment paid/unpaid (includes elf employment/voluntary work) that will bring him into regular contact with children under
16yrs.
5. Possessing any still or moving image of a child under 16 years old (excluding family members who must have their genitals, buttocks and torso
covered) except for televised programmes, commercially produced videos or DVD's and lawful publications such as magazines and catalogues.
6. Taking any visual image of a child under 16yrs except with knowledge and permission of that child's parent or guardian who is aware of his
conviction.
7. Possessing any device capable of storing digital images unless he provides the details, make and model of such an item to his Police Offender
Manager for the area where he resides and make such a device available for inspection on request.

RE: Seeking Employment

JASB — Thu, 20 Aug 2020 10:55:50 GMT

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[b]jcdmcr - 19 Aug 20 9:38 PM[/b]

Update

I have an induction next week for a picking / packing role next week. Lets wait and see if anything goes wrong.

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Hi James,

Well done, just concentrate on informing them of your skills, experience and benefits you will offer them. Anything else is just noise that you know how to handle.

The best of luck and do not worry as you are past the hard part. :)

RE: Seeking Employment

khafka — Wed, 19 Aug 2020 22:08:03 GMT

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[b]jcdmcr - 19 Aug 20 9:38 PM[/b]

Update

I have an induction next week for a picking / packing role next week. Lets wait and see if anything goes wrong.

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Awesome!

Good luck, James. Rooting for you, bud. Hope it pans out.

RE: Seeking Employment

jcdmcr — Wed, 19 Aug 2020 21:38:18 GMT

Update

I have an induction next week for a picking / packing role next week. Lets wait and see if anything goes wrong.

RE: Seeking Employment

alexh07 — Wed, 19 Aug 2020 03:51:33 GMT

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[b]jcdmcr - 11 Aug 20 9:22 PM[/b]

This is from my indictment

This is from my certificate of convictionaking

indecent photographs of children x 18 making indecent photographs of children x 18

SHPO

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I feel exactly the same as you and I believe it is even worse for your type of incident. Unfortunately the public sector of this country seems to love "producing results" and "meeting targets", pen push over the low hanging fruit and it will keep those employed in the public sector in a job paid for by the taxpayers.

The way what I would classify as minor offences are often dealt with is very inefficient and detrimental to the economy at the end of the day. They will go to a lot of effort of prosecuting and dealing with someone over an issue which could have been nipped in the bud with some initial social measures/warnings/help. Instead you have a big bill that the taxpayers are paying for, less money and time for "real crimes", and someone who is now likely to be on the dole and not paying tax.

RE: Seeking Employment

jcdmcr — Thu, 13 Aug 2020 13:17:45 GMT

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[b]Mr W - 13 Aug 20 1:08 PM[/b]

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[b]jcdmcr - 13 Aug 20 10:46 AM[/b]

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[b]Mr W - 13 Aug 20 1:32 AM[/b]

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[b]jcdmcr - 13 Aug 20 12:38 AM[/b]

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[b]xDanx - 12 Aug 20 9:01 PM[/b]

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[b]jcdmcr - 12 Aug 20 2:06 PM[/b]

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[b]xDanx - 12 Aug 20 12:21 AM[/b]

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[b]jcdmcr - 11 Aug 20 9:22 PM[/b]

This is from my indictment

This is from my certificate of convictionaking

indecent photographs of children x 18 making indecent photographs of children x 18

SHPO

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Hi James
I feel the same as you do, and agree those orders that have been placed on your SHPO are an absolute joke. If you are willing, I would be interested to know how your solicitor dealt with your case. Did you ever make complaints or take it to legal ombudsman? Did you pay them yourself or was "defense" provided for free?

As difficult and frustrating our situations are, you have to remain strong. Do not let them win.

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The solicitor was a nightmare to be honest, at the time I was in a relationship with a woman who had a 10 year old child. I asked my solicitor (in writing) if I needed to inform police (pre sentencing). he said no and the QC agreed. The woman by the way was fully aware of the charges and was kept updated.

Post sentencing I wrote to my solicitor

"1-Does this now mean that I can have no contact with ****** youngest without involving the SS (Social Services)?"
My solicitor replied
"No - **QC [My QC] explained this at the last hearing. Such contact would be caught within the "normal and incidental" definition"

The police found out and I ended up with a caution for following the solicitors advice....

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Funny how Solicitors are suppose to give you legal advice yet Police can ignore that advice and simply impose what ever they wish on anyone because they are "the law".
What steps have you taken so far since then? Have you filed a complaint? Asked for a subject access request? Asked police to justify their reasons for the caution and not taking legal advice in to account?
Did your solicitor not help back up their advice?

I really can understand your frustration but as I said in my last post, you have to stay strong and collect as much information as you can.

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Oh the police were classic - in a recorded interview the Offender Manager verbally stated she know about a smartphone I had. Yet the following year she states in a written statement to the court she doesn't know about it....

Smartphone Admission

In a complaint, their supervising officer quoted the human rights act, and the fact it had been a while since the initial recording......

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You've piqued my interest with these screen grabs, what's the process to get hold of these?

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Write in to the MoJ under data protection. I'll try and dig out the relevant paperwork and details

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Sorry, yes, I meant the process of getting hold these documents from MoJ/probation etc

Not the process of screen grabbing. I perhaps wasn't clear enough haha.

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Cool - well i've posted the original request letter into the thread. Anything else just ask,

RE: Seeking Employment

Mr W — Thu, 13 Aug 2020 13:08:21 GMT

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[b]jcdmcr - 13 Aug 20 10:46 AM[/b]

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[b]Mr W - 13 Aug 20 1:32 AM[/b]

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[b]jcdmcr - 13 Aug 20 12:38 AM[/b]

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[b]xDanx - 12 Aug 20 9:01 PM[/b]

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[b]jcdmcr - 12 Aug 20 2:06 PM[/b]

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[b]xDanx - 12 Aug 20 12:21 AM[/b]

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[b]jcdmcr - 11 Aug 20 9:22 PM[/b]

This is from my indictment

This is from my certificate of convictionaking

indecent photographs of children x 18 making indecent photographs of children x 18

SHPO

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You've piqued my interest with these screen grabs, what's the process to get hold of these?

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Write in to the MoJ under data protection. I'll try and dig out the relevant paperwork and details

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Sorry, yes, I meant the process of getting hold these documents from MoJ/probation etc

Not the process of screen grabbing. I perhaps wasn't clear enough haha.

RE: Seeking Employment

jcdmcr — Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:38:45 GMT

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[b]xDanx - 13 Aug 20 12:21 PM[/b]

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[b]jcdmcr - 13 Aug 20 11:35 AM[/b]

This was the letter I used in full for the subject access request

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I have sent a request to my local force already which was very heavily redacted. It appears anything said between parties have been hidden from what I can make out in my documents. Is what you did any different to making a request with the local force or do they all have access to the same information?

Given I was not sent to prison, and I could potentially make a request as you did. I am not entirely sure how I would phrase it. I would be interested to know and see if there were any documents of the same kind as yours between the PPU, Social Services and Probation.

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Yeah - I had the same problem with the police records, you could appeal it.

The records i've posted are from probation and held by national prison an probation. As for the information from social services, you would need to write to them.

I've worked on a few govt contracts (FCO - FIRECREST, HO/MOJ - POISE/INDIGO, MOD - DII/LYCHGATE and NATO - ISAF) the snag you have is that (esp with the police) if its intelligence related then it falls outside of the scope of GDPR. You can appeal to a RIPA tribunal if you feel you've been under surveillance or monitored covertly. They'll investigate it, but they dont have to tell you what they found, or even if you were subject to surveillance!

If it contains emails (inter departmental) and the emails contain staff names, then staff can request this information be redacted. If you're not happy with what you got back, then you can complain to the department and appeal it to the ICO if you need to.

RE: Seeking Employment

xDanx — Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:21:34 GMT

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[b]jcdmcr - 13 Aug 20 11:35 AM[/b]

This was the letter I used in full for the subject access request

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RE: Seeking Employment

jcdmcr — Thu, 13 Aug 2020 11:35:19 GMT

This was the letter I used in full for the subject access request

RE: Seeking Employment

JASB — Thu, 13 Aug 2020 11:20:54 GMT

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[b]jcdmcr - 11 Aug 20 9:22 PM[/b]

This is from my indictment

This is from my certificate of convictionaking

indecent photographs of children x 18 making indecent photographs of children x 18

SHPO

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James

Sorry I meant to recommend a solicitor (not one used in hearings) I researched and used for SOPO amendments.
Copy the link below and paste into your browser
http://www.andrewstorchsolicitors.com/our-people/michael-phillips/

you will see his history especially with image offences. He is honest and straightforward in his manner towards you.
Hope he is helpful to your case.

RE: Seeking Employment

JASB — Thu, 13 Aug 2020 11:16:49 GMT

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[b]jcdmcr - 13 Aug 20 11:11 AM[/b]

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[b]JASB - 13 Aug 20 11:07 AM[/b]

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[b]Mr W - 13 Aug 20 1:32 AM[/b]

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[b]jcdmcr - 13 Aug 20 12:38 AM[/b]

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[b]xDanx - 12 Aug 20 9:01 PM[/b]

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[b]jcdmcr - 12 Aug 20 2:06 PM[/b]

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[b]xDanx - 12 Aug 20 12:21 AM[/b]

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[b]jcdmcr - 11 Aug 20 9:22 PM[/b]

This is from my indictment

This is from my certificate of convictionaking

indecent photographs of children x 18 making indecent photographs of children x 18

SHPO

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You've piqued my interest with these screen grabs, what's the process to get hold of these?

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Hi

On your pc keyboard generally you select the control key and PrtSc function key at the same time. open paint and paste and save.
Some key boards use the Alt or FM key and slightly different text but the concept is the same.

Any questions just ask.

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ahh - are you talking about the process? I use the snipping tool...
1 - in the search box type snipping
2 - Choose open

The tool allows you to select creas, senser and a few other things

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Hi james
Thanks and yes used it but old habits (win 1.1) are hard to lose lol

RE: Seeking Employment

JASB — Thu, 13 Aug 2020 11:15:31 GMT

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[b]xDanx - 12 Aug 20 12:21 AM[/b]

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[b]jcdmcr - 11 Aug 20 9:22 PM[/b]

This is from my indictment

This is from my certificate of convictionaking

indecent photographs of children x 18 making indecent photographs of children x 18

SHPO

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Hi

By my own experience I doubt if you would get much from the solicitors as now you are not paying them.

I had to go to the legal Ombudsman and challenged 5 occurrences of their failure and managed to win all because their processes were not to standard. Two financial awards but written apologies on all. They resulted in outsourcing their complaints process after that. It is all down to ensuring you have the documents: theirs and yours, and looking deeply at them to compare to reality

RE: Seeking Employment

jcdmcr — Thu, 13 Aug 2020 11:11:46 GMT

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[b]JASB - 13 Aug 20 11:07 AM[/b]

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[b]Mr W - 13 Aug 20 1:32 AM[/b]

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[b]jcdmcr - 13 Aug 20 12:38 AM[/b]

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[b]xDanx - 12 Aug 20 9:01 PM[/b]

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[b]jcdmcr - 12 Aug 20 2:06 PM[/b]

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[b]xDanx - 12 Aug 20 12:21 AM[/b]

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[b]jcdmcr - 11 Aug 20 9:22 PM[/b]

This is from my indictment

This is from my certificate of convictionaking

indecent photographs of children x 18 making indecent photographs of children x 18

SHPO

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You've piqued my interest with these screen grabs, what's the process to get hold of these?

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ahh - are you talking about the process? I use the snipping tool...
1 - in the search box type snipping
2 - Choose open

The tool allows you to select creas, senser and a few other things

RE: Seeking Employment

JASB — Thu, 13 Aug 2020 11:10:30 GMT

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[b]khafka - 12 Aug 20 12:58 AM[/b]

"...I was told that I couldn't start them on the basis that Children would be ordering. or buying sweets etc..."

Stuff like this really gets my goat up at times. Similar to when you see folk online when someone is outed in media. "Oh Karen, this guy lives on your street! Make sure little Timmy is safe" as they're just going around abducting children left, right, and centre. If they even bothered to look into the facts and statistics it shows quite clearly physical harm to children is overwhelmingly carried out by someone close to the family, typically a father. So if anything they'd need to be keeping an eye on their husband more than some random in their street...

The police are obviously aware (or at least should be!) of this fact too.

I'm not sure how old you are, I'm in my 30s and I have zero record of ever doing anything to a child. With that in mind and what I mentioned above as well as also being arrested and monitored by the police this seems like a ludicrous stipulation to place on a someone who has never committed a contact offence. It's all based on an imagined risk on feelings. I'm sorry, but facts don't care about feelings.

And in regards to the initial issue with Home Bargains and Starbucks. Both are multi-million pound companies. I'm fairly certain they all have CCTV as well as a pretty steady customer base throughout the day. Do they honestly think you're going to be at the till and just snatching up children as they come through or something? The stupidity angers me, it really does.

I also have no idea how everyone knows what stipulations they have on their SOPO. I have never been given a list, I honestly couldn't tell you what I'm allowed or not allowed to do. The only thing remotely related I got was one sheet of paper which said what offence I'd been charged with along with the court dates and information and that I need to go to the police station within 3 days to hand over my details. I'm in Scotland so not sure if that changes anything.

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Hi
Write to the CC where your hearing was, provide as much info as possible and they will send a copy to you. Suggestion you keep all copies for future reference. By that I mean if you apply for an amendment and succeed you retain the old and new versions as I had to provide my PPU with the amended version lol

RE: Seeking Employment

JASB — Thu, 13 Aug 2020 11:07:32 GMT

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[b]Mr W - 13 Aug 20 1:32 AM[/b]

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[b]jcdmcr - 13 Aug 20 12:38 AM[/b]

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[b]xDanx - 12 Aug 20 9:01 PM[/b]

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[b]jcdmcr - 12 Aug 20 2:06 PM[/b]

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[b]xDanx - 12 Aug 20 12:21 AM[/b]

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[b]jcdmcr - 11 Aug 20 9:22 PM[/b]

This is from my indictment

This is from my certificate of convictionaking

indecent photographs of children x 18 making indecent photographs of children x 18

SHPO

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You've piqued my interest with these screen grabs, what's the process to get hold of these?

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RE: Seeking Employment

JASB — Thu, 13 Aug 2020 11:05:06 GMT

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[b]jcdmcr - 12 Aug 20 11:11 AM[/b]

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[b]Was - 12 Aug 20 8:51 AM[/b]

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[b]khafka - 12 Aug 20 12:58 AM[/b]

I also have no idea how everyone knows what stipulations they have on their SOPO. I have never been given a list, I honestly couldn't tell you what I'm allowed or not allowed to do.

I was handled a copy by the clerk of the court at the end of the hearing and my solicitor also sent me a copy in their wrap-up letter. May be worth going back to them to see if they have it still on file.

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Yeah - same thing happened to me. I was sat outside with my QC and solicitor, the clerk came up with the order and that was it. The QC and Solicitor said the orders are standard and there's no point in questioning it.

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Hi
Never take this as fact, at my actual hearing I had one that implied [quote]I could not stop at a commercial residence without informing every parent or guardian with a child of under 16 residing there of my offence.[/quote] The Judge dismissed it.

RE: Seeking Employment

jcdmcr — Thu, 13 Aug 2020 10:46:57 GMT

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[b]Mr W - 13 Aug 20 1:32 AM[/b]

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[b]jcdmcr - 13 Aug 20 12:38 AM[/b]

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[b]xDanx - 12 Aug 20 9:01 PM[/b]

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[b]jcdmcr - 12 Aug 20 2:06 PM[/b]

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[b]xDanx - 12 Aug 20 12:21 AM[/b]

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[b]jcdmcr - 11 Aug 20 9:22 PM[/b]

This is from my indictment

This is from my certificate of convictionaking

indecent photographs of children x 18 making indecent photographs of children x 18

SHPO

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You've piqued my interest with these screen grabs, what's the process to get hold of these?

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Write in to the MoJ under data protection. I'll try and dig out the relevant paperwork and details

RE: Seeking Employment

xDanx — Thu, 13 Aug 2020 02:42:26 GMT

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[b]jcdmcr - 13 Aug 20 12:38 AM[/b]

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[b]xDanx - 12 Aug 20 9:01 PM[/b]

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[b]jcdmcr - 12 Aug 20 2:06 PM[/b]

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[b]xDanx - 12 Aug 20 12:21 AM[/b]

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[b]jcdmcr - 11 Aug 20 9:22 PM[/b]

This is from my indictment

This is from my certificate of convictionaking

indecent photographs of children x 18 making indecent photographs of children x 18

SHPO

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So basically its people talking about you behind your back? They tell you one thing in person yet do a complete 180 in reports like that?
How do you go about collecting this kind of information? I would be really interested to know what things are being said behind my back

RE: Seeking Employment

Mr W — Thu, 13 Aug 2020 01:32:51 GMT

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[b]jcdmcr - 13 Aug 20 12:38 AM[/b]

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[b]xDanx - 12 Aug 20 9:01 PM[/b]

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[b]jcdmcr - 12 Aug 20 2:06 PM[/b]

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[b]xDanx - 12 Aug 20 12:21 AM[/b]

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[b]jcdmcr - 11 Aug 20 9:22 PM[/b]

This is from my indictment

This is from my certificate of convictionaking

indecent photographs of children x 18 making indecent photographs of children x 18

SHPO

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You've piqued my interest with these screen grabs, what's the process to get hold of these?

RE: Seeking Employment

jcdmcr — Thu, 13 Aug 2020 00:38:42 GMT

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[b]xDanx - 12 Aug 20 9:01 PM[/b]

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[b]jcdmcr - 12 Aug 20 2:06 PM[/b]

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[b]xDanx - 12 Aug 20 12:21 AM[/b]

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[b]jcdmcr - 11 Aug 20 9:22 PM[/b]

This is from my indictment

This is from my certificate of convictionaking

indecent photographs of children x 18 making indecent photographs of children x 18

SHPO

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RE: Seeking Employment

xDanx — Wed, 12 Aug 2020 21:01:12 GMT

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[b]jcdmcr - 12 Aug 20 2:06 PM[/b]

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[b]xDanx - 12 Aug 20 12:21 AM[/b]

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[b]jcdmcr - 11 Aug 20 9:22 PM[/b]

This is from my indictment

This is from my certificate of convictionaking

indecent photographs of children x 18 making indecent photographs of children x 18

SHPO

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RE: Seeking Employment

jcdmcr — Wed, 12 Aug 2020 14:06:11 GMT

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[b]xDanx - 12 Aug 20 12:21 AM[/b]

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[b]jcdmcr - 11 Aug 20 9:22 PM[/b]

This is from my indictment

This is from my certificate of convictionaking

indecent photographs of children x 18 making indecent photographs of children x 18

SHPO

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RE: Seeking Employment

punter99 — Wed, 12 Aug 2020 11:53:34 GMT

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[b]jcdmcr - 12 Aug 20 11:11 AM[/b]

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[b]Was - 12 Aug 20 8:51 AM[/b]

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[b]khafka - 12 Aug 20 12:58 AM[/b]

I also have no idea how everyone knows what stipulations they have on their SOPO. I have never been given a list, I honestly couldn't tell you what I'm allowed or not allowed to do.

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There is another story on here about police submitting a hand written SHPO to the court, on the day. These are classic examples of a system that is broken. CPS obviously turned up at the court that morning, realised they had forgotten to do it, and put one together on the fly. But I am surprised the judge didn't simply throw it out and adjourn the proceedings, until another day.

In my case, the judge and my barrister argued about the wording of the SHPO, until the judge said that he had another case to hear, that afternoon and he didn't want to spend the rest of his day arguing. At that point, he sent the CPS barrister away, with instructions to rewrite the SHPO and to send him a copy when it was done. I was sent home and got a copy of the SHPO in the post about a week later.

But like most of the people on this forum, it's only after the event, with the benefit of hindsight, that we start to realise something wasn't right. By which time, it's usually too late to do anything about it and to correct the mistakes that have been made.

RE: Seeking Employment

jcdmcr — Wed, 12 Aug 2020 11:11:20 GMT

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[b]Was - 12 Aug 20 8:51 AM[/b]

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[b]khafka - 12 Aug 20 12:58 AM[/b]

I also have no idea how everyone knows what stipulations they have on their SOPO. I have never been given a list, I honestly couldn't tell you what I'm allowed or not allowed to do.

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