﻿<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"><channel><title>theForum » Travel » Travel documentation  » Applicability of SOR &amp; SHPO while abroad</title><generator>InstantForum 2016-2 Final</generator><description>theForum</description><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/</link><webMaster>theForum</webMaster><lastBuildDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2026 10:38:26 GMT</lastBuildDate><ttl>20</ttl><item><title>RE: Applicability of SOR &amp; SHPO while abroad</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35784.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="35769" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1764430216347"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35769" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35769" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35769" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;expatofff - 18 Nov 25 10:05 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35769"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35753" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1764430216347"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35753" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35753" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35753" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;JASB - 11 Nov 25 3:47 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35753"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35742" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1764430216347"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35742" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35742" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35742" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;iowian - 8 Nov 25 11:19 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35742"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35739" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1764430216347"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35739" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35739" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35739" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;JASB - 7 Nov 25 3:36 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35739"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35723" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1764430216347"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35723" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35723" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35723" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;expatofff - 1 Nov 25 8:30 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35723"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35709" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1764430216347"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35709" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35709" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35709" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;JASB - 27 Oct 25 10:48 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35709"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35632" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1764430216347"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35632" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35632" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35632" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;expatofff - 19 Sep 25 11:57 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35632"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35630" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1764430216347"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35630" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35630" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35630" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 19 Sep 25 11:09 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35630"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35629" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1764430216347"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35629" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35629" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35629" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;expatofff - 18 Sep 25 6:23 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35629"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35621" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1764430216347"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35621" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35621" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35621" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;AB2014 - 11 Sep 25 9:06 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35621"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35618" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1764430216347"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35618" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35618" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35618" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;JASB - 10 Sep 25 6:43 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35618"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35581" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1764430216347"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 2 Aug 25 6:22 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35581"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;Wasn't too sure where to post this, hopefully here is OK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm looking forward (with crossed fingers) to heading off on holiday once I'm off licence next year.&amp;nbsp; I have indefinite SOR and SHPO so need to pay careful attention to the rules.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have made myself familiar with the travel notification process and this seems quite straightforward.&amp;nbsp; I understand that I have to notify my travel details at least 7 days in advance, and if any of these should change while I'm away e.g. canceled flight, I have to notifiy again within 3 days of my return to the UK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However I can't find a definitive statement on &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;the extent to which the SOR and/or SHPO requirements apply abroad.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For example, if I access the internet from the UK using my own devices no notification is required, but if I were to use the wifi at e.g. Birmingham New St, I would have to notifiy within 3 days of doing so.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;With one eye on the cost of mobile data overseas, I want to know whether I am still subject to the reporting requirements if I use the wifi in a Spanish bar... if so, I will have to carry a notebook and pen around with me to keep track !!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm sure I read somewhere that SOR and SHPO requirements do not apply while out of the UK, but for all my googling I can't find hard and firm info.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Any help much appreciated :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As other have mentioned the authorities have no "authority" when you are not within "UK" jurisdiction.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One point I will ask if to anyone else who has an indef SOR requirement.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As those on the indef SOR requirement are aware you have a 15 year countdown until your can apply to have it discharged.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Due to my various discussions with various areas of the "Authorities", I read that time spent outside of the UK jurisdiction does not count or rather is added on to the 15 years in the same manner time spent incarcerated is not counted in the reduction of the 15 year countdown.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Therefore has anyone become a victim of this? If so was you out of the country for days, weeks, months or years.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It would be interesting to know as I have found their records are not fully accurate and this element would have to be or at least "we would have to maintain our own records.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As always keep safe and lawful but be happy&lt;br/&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35618"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I've just checked the law about notification periods, and it says that any period spent outside the UK before first notifying at a police station &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/88B"&gt;doesn't count towards the fifteen years&lt;/a&gt;. In the bit about calculating the qualifying period, &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/schedule/3A/paragraph/2"&gt;time spent abroad isn't mentioned&lt;/a&gt;. I'm guessing that was set up to cover people who go abroad and are convicted in their absence, but whatever the reason, that's how it stands.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35621"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Being abroad you're not subject at all.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When I applied to have my sopo removed as it was to further notice so it meant my SOR was never ending the police barrister actually said me not notifying or following sopo restrictions abroad showed I was of bad character but also admitted that I had done nothing wrong by not doing.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;At a guestimate I spent 85% or 90% of my SOR period abroad, until I had it removed, and nothing was mentioned about the wait time not being met.&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35629"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you don't mind me asking, where did you spend your time abroad ?&amp;nbsp; I'd be interested to know which countries don't take much account of convictions, SHPO &amp;amp; SOR...&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35630"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Spain and Asia mainly. Spain initially.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35632"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;Be interesting in how "Asia" allowed you entry and if your OM was aware before hand. Mind you I should assume you went there from Spain so did not tell them of the trip?&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35709"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yeah I moved back to Spain (moved there originally after my conviction but went back to the UK after 3 years). Then after a week in Spain I moved to Asia. It may have changed but at the time you only had to notify of your first point of call if you didn't have anything else already planned.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Technically I didn't, if anyone asked.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35723"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;My father used to live there and I visited (98 onwards) often prior to my offence. Whilst I was on bail I went for 4 months and no one cared. Mind you after my guilty plea the Probation Office went to town on my visits. Whilst awaiting sentencing (for 2 years) I was going back to visit family. However the police took me to Court saying I was doing a runner. The Judge dismissed their case but did allow them to keep my passport as Asia is deemed a high risk place. this was back in 2012&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Passport control especially Thailand and Vietnam were very strict on the questions about convictions hence my question, as even now i cannot go back else I would to see extended family&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35739"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;Expatoff and JASB seem to be giving differing accounts of their foreign visits. One of you is untroubled by travel to Asia and the other is wary of returning.&amp;nbsp; Can either of you clarify the conflicting posts? Thanks&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35742"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;I am trying to understand the difference in "permissions".&lt;br/&gt;My last trip was when I was on bail awaiting the "Plea hearing" and no authority was interested. However after the Plea hearing I discovered it would be circa a year before my sentencing so I was going to go again. The probation Officer at the Plea Hearing was OK with it, my barrister was also. It was when I delivered my notification to the Police station and I asked a couple of questions; and subsequently called 3 times for an answer, they took me to the Police Station (which is a story of strong arm attempt of intimidation) they took my passport and I had to go to Court about it. The Judge kicked the case out of Court but could not see why I needed my passport back!&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;At my PO pre sentencing meeting, the PO was greatly interested in my tour whilst on bail and besides accusing me of being a sex tourist and people smuggler, said Id never be going back. Each OM has also stressed that when I've spoke about my extended family there.&lt;br/&gt;In the previous visits before my offence and the one whilst I was on bail, the Thai border authority procedure included questions on offences. Even when I backpacked through the whole of SE Asia it was the same.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My questions where nothing else but trying to understand if at &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;any time the UK authorities&lt;/span&gt; had seen your passport and so the stamps, as I am assuming you wouldn't of declared it in SE Asia.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Just confused me as it seemed getting to leave the country after conviction seems to be a loophole.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No offence meant or implied.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35753"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Ah ok, no, my passport was never looked at. But, it has to be said, I was in Spain then the UK, then I did Spain and Asia. But I never went back to live in the UK after Asia. Any visit to the UK while I did everything officially by registration again, was never long enough for them to come visit me, so they never looked in my passport.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think for anyone reading anything I wrote, the massive caveat has to be it's been 10 years, roughly, since I got my sopo discharged and I automatically came of the SOR. I would always advise to do everything by the book and check current guidelines/conditions, I am out of touch.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I also don't want to give false hope or get anyone in bother with the police. At the time I knew what I was doing and knew that I was, albeit legally, circumnavigating control.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35769"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;I am pleased you did not think I was being offensive but trying to understand.&lt;br/&gt;As Punter99 said many of us would probably consider your approach if possible.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I wish you all the best.</description><pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2025 15:32:19 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>JASB</dc:creator></item><item><title>Applicability of SOR &amp; SHPO while abroad</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35581.aspx</link><description>Wasn't too sure where to post this, hopefully here is OK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm looking forward (with crossed fingers) to heading off on holiday once I'm off licence next year.&amp;nbsp; I have indefinite SOR and SHPO so need to pay careful attention to the rules.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have made myself familiar with the travel notification process and this seems quite straightforward.&amp;nbsp; I understand that I have to notify my travel details at least 7 days in advance, and if any of these should change while I'm away e.g. canceled flight, I have to notifiy again within 3 days of my return to the UK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However I can't find a definitive statement on &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;the extent to which the SOR and/or SHPO requirements apply abroad.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For example, if I access the internet from the UK using my own devices no notification is required, but if I were to use the wifi at e.g. Birmingham New St, I would have to notifiy within 3 days of doing so.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;With one eye on the cost of mobile data overseas, I want to know whether I am still subject to the reporting requirements if I use the wifi in a Spanish bar... if so, I will have to carry a notebook and pen around with me to keep track !!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm sure I read somewhere that SOR and SHPO requirements do not apply while out of the UK, but for all my googling I can't find hard and firm info.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Any help much appreciated :)&lt;br/&gt;</description><pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2025 15:32:19 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>CB Root</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Applicability of SOR &amp; SHPO while abroad</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35774.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="35769" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1763549650952"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35769" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35769" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35769" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;expatofff - 18 Nov 25 10:05 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35769"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35753" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1763549650952"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35753" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35753" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35753" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;JASB - 11 Nov 25 3:47 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35753"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35742" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1763549650952"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35742" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35742" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35742" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;iowian - 8 Nov 25 11:19 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35742"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35739" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1763549650952"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35739" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35739" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35739" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;JASB - 7 Nov 25 3:36 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35739"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35723" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1763549650952"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35723" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35723" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35723" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;expatofff - 1 Nov 25 8:30 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35723"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35709" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1763549650952"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35709" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35709" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35709" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;JASB - 27 Oct 25 10:48 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35709"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35632" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1763549650952"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35632" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35632" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35632" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;expatofff - 19 Sep 25 11:57 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35632"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35630" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1763549650952"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35630" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35630" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35630" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 19 Sep 25 11:09 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35630"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35629" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1763549650952"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35629" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35629" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35629" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;expatofff - 18 Sep 25 6:23 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35629"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35621" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1763549650952"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35621" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35621" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35621" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;AB2014 - 11 Sep 25 9:06 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35621"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35618" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1763549650952"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35618" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35618" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35618" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;JASB - 10 Sep 25 6:43 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35618"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35581" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1763549650952"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 2 Aug 25 6:22 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35581"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;Wasn't too sure where to post this, hopefully here is OK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm looking forward (with crossed fingers) to heading off on holiday once I'm off licence next year.&amp;nbsp; I have indefinite SOR and SHPO so need to pay careful attention to the rules.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have made myself familiar with the travel notification process and this seems quite straightforward.&amp;nbsp; I understand that I have to notify my travel details at least 7 days in advance, and if any of these should change while I'm away e.g. canceled flight, I have to notifiy again within 3 days of my return to the UK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However I can't find a definitive statement on &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;the extent to which the SOR and/or SHPO requirements apply abroad.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For example, if I access the internet from the UK using my own devices no notification is required, but if I were to use the wifi at e.g. Birmingham New St, I would have to notifiy within 3 days of doing so.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;With one eye on the cost of mobile data overseas, I want to know whether I am still subject to the reporting requirements if I use the wifi in a Spanish bar... if so, I will have to carry a notebook and pen around with me to keep track !!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm sure I read somewhere that SOR and SHPO requirements do not apply while out of the UK, but for all my googling I can't find hard and firm info.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Any help much appreciated :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As other have mentioned the authorities have no "authority" when you are not within "UK" jurisdiction.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One point I will ask if to anyone else who has an indef SOR requirement.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As those on the indef SOR requirement are aware you have a 15 year countdown until your can apply to have it discharged.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Due to my various discussions with various areas of the "Authorities", I read that time spent outside of the UK jurisdiction does not count or rather is added on to the 15 years in the same manner time spent incarcerated is not counted in the reduction of the 15 year countdown.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Therefore has anyone become a victim of this? If so was you out of the country for days, weeks, months or years.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It would be interesting to know as I have found their records are not fully accurate and this element would have to be or at least "we would have to maintain our own records.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As always keep safe and lawful but be happy&lt;br/&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35618"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I've just checked the law about notification periods, and it says that any period spent outside the UK before first notifying at a police station &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/88B"&gt;doesn't count towards the fifteen years&lt;/a&gt;. In the bit about calculating the qualifying period, &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/schedule/3A/paragraph/2"&gt;time spent abroad isn't mentioned&lt;/a&gt;. I'm guessing that was set up to cover people who go abroad and are convicted in their absence, but whatever the reason, that's how it stands.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35621"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Being abroad you're not subject at all.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When I applied to have my sopo removed as it was to further notice so it meant my SOR was never ending the police barrister actually said me not notifying or following sopo restrictions abroad showed I was of bad character but also admitted that I had done nothing wrong by not doing.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;At a guestimate I spent 85% or 90% of my SOR period abroad, until I had it removed, and nothing was mentioned about the wait time not being met.&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35629"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you don't mind me asking, where did you spend your time abroad ?&amp;nbsp; I'd be interested to know which countries don't take much account of convictions, SHPO &amp;amp; SOR...&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35630"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Spain and Asia mainly. Spain initially.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35632"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;Be interesting in how "Asia" allowed you entry and if your OM was aware before hand. Mind you I should assume you went there from Spain so did not tell them of the trip?&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35709"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yeah I moved back to Spain (moved there originally after my conviction but went back to the UK after 3 years). Then after a week in Spain I moved to Asia. It may have changed but at the time you only had to notify of your first point of call if you didn't have anything else already planned.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Technically I didn't, if anyone asked.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35723"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;My father used to live there and I visited (98 onwards) often prior to my offence. Whilst I was on bail I went for 4 months and no one cared. Mind you after my guilty plea the Probation Office went to town on my visits. Whilst awaiting sentencing (for 2 years) I was going back to visit family. However the police took me to Court saying I was doing a runner. The Judge dismissed their case but did allow them to keep my passport as Asia is deemed a high risk place. this was back in 2012&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Passport control especially Thailand and Vietnam were very strict on the questions about convictions hence my question, as even now i cannot go back else I would to see extended family&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35739"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;Expatoff and JASB seem to be giving differing accounts of their foreign visits. One of you is untroubled by travel to Asia and the other is wary of returning.&amp;nbsp; Can either of you clarify the conflicting posts? Thanks&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35742"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;I am trying to understand the difference in "permissions".&lt;br/&gt;My last trip was when I was on bail awaiting the "Plea hearing" and no authority was interested. However after the Plea hearing I discovered it would be circa a year before my sentencing so I was going to go again. The probation Officer at the Plea Hearing was OK with it, my barrister was also. It was when I delivered my notification to the Police station and I asked a couple of questions; and subsequently called 3 times for an answer, they took me to the Police Station (which is a story of strong arm attempt of intimidation) they took my passport and I had to go to Court about it. The Judge kicked the case out of Court but could not see why I needed my passport back!&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;At my PO pre sentencing meeting, the PO was greatly interested in my tour whilst on bail and besides accusing me of being a sex tourist and people smuggler, said Id never be going back. Each OM has also stressed that when I've spoke about my extended family there.&lt;br/&gt;In the previous visits before my offence and the one whilst I was on bail, the Thai border authority procedure included questions on offences. Even when I backpacked through the whole of SE Asia it was the same.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My questions where nothing else but trying to understand if at &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;any time the UK authorities&lt;/span&gt; had seen your passport and so the stamps, as I am assuming you wouldn't of declared it in SE Asia.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Just confused me as it seemed getting to leave the country after conviction seems to be a loophole.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No offence meant or implied.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35753"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Ah ok, no, my passport was never looked at. But, it has to be said, I was in Spain then the UK, then I did Spain and Asia. But I never went back to live in the UK after Asia. Any visit to the UK while I did everything officially by registration again, was never long enough for them to come visit me, so they never looked in my passport.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think for anyone reading anything I wrote, the massive caveat has to be it's been 10 years, roughly, since I got my sopo discharged and I automatically came of the SOR. I would always advise to do everything by the book and check current guidelines/conditions, I am out of touch.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I also don't want to give false hope or get anyone in bother with the police. At the time I knew what I was doing and knew that I was, albeit legally, circumnavigating control.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35769"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I expect more of us would do the same, were it not for finances, the language barrier and family ties in the UK.</description><pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2025 10:50:51 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>punter99</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Applicability of SOR &amp; SHPO while abroad</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35769.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="35753" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1763503221459"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35753" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35753" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35753" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;JASB - 11 Nov 25 3:47 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35753"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35742" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1763503221459"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35742" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35742" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35742" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;iowian - 8 Nov 25 11:19 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35742"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35739" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1763503221459"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35739" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35739" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35739" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;JASB - 7 Nov 25 3:36 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35739"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35723" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1763503221459"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35723" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35723" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35723" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;expatofff - 1 Nov 25 8:30 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35723"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35709" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1763503221459"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35709" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35709" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35709" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;JASB - 27 Oct 25 10:48 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35709"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35632" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1763503221459"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35632" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35632" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35632" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;expatofff - 19 Sep 25 11:57 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35632"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35630" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1763503221459"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35630" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35630" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35630" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 19 Sep 25 11:09 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35630"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35629" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1763503221459"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35629" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35629" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35629" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;expatofff - 18 Sep 25 6:23 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35629"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35621" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1763503221459"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35621" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35621" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35621" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;AB2014 - 11 Sep 25 9:06 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35621"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35618" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1763503221459"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35618" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35618" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35618" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;JASB - 10 Sep 25 6:43 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35618"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35581" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1763503221459"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 2 Aug 25 6:22 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35581"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;Wasn't too sure where to post this, hopefully here is OK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm looking forward (with crossed fingers) to heading off on holiday once I'm off licence next year.&amp;nbsp; I have indefinite SOR and SHPO so need to pay careful attention to the rules.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have made myself familiar with the travel notification process and this seems quite straightforward.&amp;nbsp; I understand that I have to notify my travel details at least 7 days in advance, and if any of these should change while I'm away e.g. canceled flight, I have to notifiy again within 3 days of my return to the UK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However I can't find a definitive statement on &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;the extent to which the SOR and/or SHPO requirements apply abroad.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For example, if I access the internet from the UK using my own devices no notification is required, but if I were to use the wifi at e.g. Birmingham New St, I would have to notifiy within 3 days of doing so.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;With one eye on the cost of mobile data overseas, I want to know whether I am still subject to the reporting requirements if I use the wifi in a Spanish bar... if so, I will have to carry a notebook and pen around with me to keep track !!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm sure I read somewhere that SOR and SHPO requirements do not apply while out of the UK, but for all my googling I can't find hard and firm info.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Any help much appreciated :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As other have mentioned the authorities have no "authority" when you are not within "UK" jurisdiction.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One point I will ask if to anyone else who has an indef SOR requirement.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As those on the indef SOR requirement are aware you have a 15 year countdown until your can apply to have it discharged.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Due to my various discussions with various areas of the "Authorities", I read that time spent outside of the UK jurisdiction does not count or rather is added on to the 15 years in the same manner time spent incarcerated is not counted in the reduction of the 15 year countdown.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Therefore has anyone become a victim of this? If so was you out of the country for days, weeks, months or years.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It would be interesting to know as I have found their records are not fully accurate and this element would have to be or at least "we would have to maintain our own records.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As always keep safe and lawful but be happy&lt;br/&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35618"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I've just checked the law about notification periods, and it says that any period spent outside the UK before first notifying at a police station &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/88B"&gt;doesn't count towards the fifteen years&lt;/a&gt;. In the bit about calculating the qualifying period, &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/schedule/3A/paragraph/2"&gt;time spent abroad isn't mentioned&lt;/a&gt;. I'm guessing that was set up to cover people who go abroad and are convicted in their absence, but whatever the reason, that's how it stands.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35621"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Being abroad you're not subject at all.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When I applied to have my sopo removed as it was to further notice so it meant my SOR was never ending the police barrister actually said me not notifying or following sopo restrictions abroad showed I was of bad character but also admitted that I had done nothing wrong by not doing.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;At a guestimate I spent 85% or 90% of my SOR period abroad, until I had it removed, and nothing was mentioned about the wait time not being met.&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35629"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you don't mind me asking, where did you spend your time abroad ?&amp;nbsp; I'd be interested to know which countries don't take much account of convictions, SHPO &amp;amp; SOR...&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35630"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Spain and Asia mainly. Spain initially.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35632"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;Be interesting in how "Asia" allowed you entry and if your OM was aware before hand. Mind you I should assume you went there from Spain so did not tell them of the trip?&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35709"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yeah I moved back to Spain (moved there originally after my conviction but went back to the UK after 3 years). Then after a week in Spain I moved to Asia. It may have changed but at the time you only had to notify of your first point of call if you didn't have anything else already planned.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Technically I didn't, if anyone asked.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35723"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;My father used to live there and I visited (98 onwards) often prior to my offence. Whilst I was on bail I went for 4 months and no one cared. Mind you after my guilty plea the Probation Office went to town on my visits. Whilst awaiting sentencing (for 2 years) I was going back to visit family. However the police took me to Court saying I was doing a runner. The Judge dismissed their case but did allow them to keep my passport as Asia is deemed a high risk place. this was back in 2012&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Passport control especially Thailand and Vietnam were very strict on the questions about convictions hence my question, as even now i cannot go back else I would to see extended family&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35739"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;Expatoff and JASB seem to be giving differing accounts of their foreign visits. One of you is untroubled by travel to Asia and the other is wary of returning.&amp;nbsp; Can either of you clarify the conflicting posts? Thanks&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35742"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;I am trying to understand the difference in "permissions".&lt;br/&gt;My last trip was when I was on bail awaiting the "Plea hearing" and no authority was interested. However after the Plea hearing I discovered it would be circa a year before my sentencing so I was going to go again. The probation Officer at the Plea Hearing was OK with it, my barrister was also. It was when I delivered my notification to the Police station and I asked a couple of questions; and subsequently called 3 times for an answer, they took me to the Police Station (which is a story of strong arm attempt of intimidation) they took my passport and I had to go to Court about it. The Judge kicked the case out of Court but could not see why I needed my passport back!&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;At my PO pre sentencing meeting, the PO was greatly interested in my tour whilst on bail and besides accusing me of being a sex tourist and people smuggler, said Id never be going back. Each OM has also stressed that when I've spoke about my extended family there.&lt;br/&gt;In the previous visits before my offence and the one whilst I was on bail, the Thai border authority procedure included questions on offences. Even when I backpacked through the whole of SE Asia it was the same.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My questions where nothing else but trying to understand if at &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;any time the UK authorities&lt;/span&gt; had seen your passport and so the stamps, as I am assuming you wouldn't of declared it in SE Asia.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Just confused me as it seemed getting to leave the country after conviction seems to be a loophole.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No offence meant or implied.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35753"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Ah ok, no, my passport was never looked at. But, it has to be said, I was in Spain then the UK, then I did Spain and Asia. But I never went back to live in the UK after Asia. Any visit to the UK while I did everything officially by registration again, was never long enough for them to come visit me, so they never looked in my passport.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think for anyone reading anything I wrote, the massive caveat has to be it's been 10 years, roughly, since I got my sopo discharged and I automatically came of the SOR. I would always advise to do everything by the book and check current guidelines/conditions, I am out of touch.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I also don't want to give false hope or get anyone in bother with the police. At the time I knew what I was doing and knew that I was, albeit legally, circumnavigating control.</description><pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2025 22:05:15 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>expatofff</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Applicability of SOR &amp; SHPO while abroad</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35753.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="35742" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762874990394"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35742" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35742" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35742" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;iowian - 8 Nov 25 11:19 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35742"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35739" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762874990394"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35739" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35739" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35739" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;JASB - 7 Nov 25 3:36 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35739"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35723" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762874990394"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35723" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35723" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35723" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;expatofff - 1 Nov 25 8:30 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35723"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35709" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762874990394"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35709" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35709" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35709" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;JASB - 27 Oct 25 10:48 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35709"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35632" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762874990394"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35632" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35632" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35632" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;expatofff - 19 Sep 25 11:57 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35632"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35630" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762874990394"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35630" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35630" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35630" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 19 Sep 25 11:09 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35630"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35629" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762874990394"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35629" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35629" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35629" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;expatofff - 18 Sep 25 6:23 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35629"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35621" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762874990394"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35621" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35621" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35621" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;AB2014 - 11 Sep 25 9:06 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35621"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35618" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762874990394"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35618" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35618" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35618" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;JASB - 10 Sep 25 6:43 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35618"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35581" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762874990394"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 2 Aug 25 6:22 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35581"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;Wasn't too sure where to post this, hopefully here is OK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm looking forward (with crossed fingers) to heading off on holiday once I'm off licence next year.&amp;nbsp; I have indefinite SOR and SHPO so need to pay careful attention to the rules.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have made myself familiar with the travel notification process and this seems quite straightforward.&amp;nbsp; I understand that I have to notify my travel details at least 7 days in advance, and if any of these should change while I'm away e.g. canceled flight, I have to notifiy again within 3 days of my return to the UK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However I can't find a definitive statement on &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;the extent to which the SOR and/or SHPO requirements apply abroad.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For example, if I access the internet from the UK using my own devices no notification is required, but if I were to use the wifi at e.g. Birmingham New St, I would have to notifiy within 3 days of doing so.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;With one eye on the cost of mobile data overseas, I want to know whether I am still subject to the reporting requirements if I use the wifi in a Spanish bar... if so, I will have to carry a notebook and pen around with me to keep track !!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm sure I read somewhere that SOR and SHPO requirements do not apply while out of the UK, but for all my googling I can't find hard and firm info.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Any help much appreciated :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As other have mentioned the authorities have no "authority" when you are not within "UK" jurisdiction.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One point I will ask if to anyone else who has an indef SOR requirement.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As those on the indef SOR requirement are aware you have a 15 year countdown until your can apply to have it discharged.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Due to my various discussions with various areas of the "Authorities", I read that time spent outside of the UK jurisdiction does not count or rather is added on to the 15 years in the same manner time spent incarcerated is not counted in the reduction of the 15 year countdown.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Therefore has anyone become a victim of this? If so was you out of the country for days, weeks, months or years.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It would be interesting to know as I have found their records are not fully accurate and this element would have to be or at least "we would have to maintain our own records.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As always keep safe and lawful but be happy&lt;br/&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35618"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I've just checked the law about notification periods, and it says that any period spent outside the UK before first notifying at a police station &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/88B"&gt;doesn't count towards the fifteen years&lt;/a&gt;. In the bit about calculating the qualifying period, &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/schedule/3A/paragraph/2"&gt;time spent abroad isn't mentioned&lt;/a&gt;. I'm guessing that was set up to cover people who go abroad and are convicted in their absence, but whatever the reason, that's how it stands.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35621"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Being abroad you're not subject at all.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When I applied to have my sopo removed as it was to further notice so it meant my SOR was never ending the police barrister actually said me not notifying or following sopo restrictions abroad showed I was of bad character but also admitted that I had done nothing wrong by not doing.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;At a guestimate I spent 85% or 90% of my SOR period abroad, until I had it removed, and nothing was mentioned about the wait time not being met.&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35629"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you don't mind me asking, where did you spend your time abroad ?&amp;nbsp; I'd be interested to know which countries don't take much account of convictions, SHPO &amp;amp; SOR...&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35630"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Spain and Asia mainly. Spain initially.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35632"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;Be interesting in how "Asia" allowed you entry and if your OM was aware before hand. Mind you I should assume you went there from Spain so did not tell them of the trip?&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35709"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yeah I moved back to Spain (moved there originally after my conviction but went back to the UK after 3 years). Then after a week in Spain I moved to Asia. It may have changed but at the time you only had to notify of your first point of call if you didn't have anything else already planned.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Technically I didn't, if anyone asked.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35723"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;My father used to live there and I visited (98 onwards) often prior to my offence. Whilst I was on bail I went for 4 months and no one cared. Mind you after my guilty plea the Probation Office went to town on my visits. Whilst awaiting sentencing (for 2 years) I was going back to visit family. However the police took me to Court saying I was doing a runner. The Judge dismissed their case but did allow them to keep my passport as Asia is deemed a high risk place. this was back in 2012&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Passport control especially Thailand and Vietnam were very strict on the questions about convictions hence my question, as even now i cannot go back else I would to see extended family&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35739"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;Expatoff and JASB seem to be giving differing accounts of their foreign visits. One of you is untroubled by travel to Asia and the other is wary of returning.&amp;nbsp; Can either of you clarify the conflicting posts? Thanks&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35742"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;I am trying to understand the difference in "permissions".&lt;br/&gt;My last trip was when I was on bail awaiting the "Plea hearing" and no authority was interested. However after the Plea hearing I discovered it would be circa a year before my sentencing so I was going to go again. The probation Officer at the Plea Hearing was OK with it, my barrister was also. It was when I delivered my notification to the Police station and I asked a couple of questions; and subsequently called 3 times for an answer, they took me to the Police Station (which is a story of strong arm attempt of intimidation) they took my passport and I had to go to Court about it. The Judge kicked the case out of Court but could not see why I needed my passport back!&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;At my PO pre sentencing meeting, the PO was greatly interested in my tour whilst on bail and besides accusing me of being a sex tourist and people smuggler, said Id never be going back. Each OM has also stressed that when I've spoke about my extended family there.&lt;br/&gt;In the previous visits before my offence and the one whilst I was on bail, the Thai border authority procedure included questions on offences. Even when I backpacked through the whole of SE Asia it was the same.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My questions where nothing else but trying to understand if at &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;any time the UK authorities&lt;/span&gt; had seen your passport and so the stamps, as I am assuming you wouldn't of declared it in SE Asia.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Just confused me as it seemed getting to leave the country after conviction seems to be a loophole.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No offence meant or implied.</description><pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2025 15:47:50 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>JASB</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Applicability of SOR &amp; SHPO while abroad</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35749.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="35742" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762819875917"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35742" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35742" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35742" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;iowian - 8 Nov 25 11:19 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35742"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35739" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762819875917"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35739" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35739" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35739" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;JASB - 7 Nov 25 3:36 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35739"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35723" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762819875917"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35723" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35723" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35723" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;expatofff - 1 Nov 25 8:30 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35723"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35709" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762819875917"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35709" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35709" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35709" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;JASB - 27 Oct 25 10:48 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35709"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35632" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762819875917"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35632" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35632" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35632" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;expatofff - 19 Sep 25 11:57 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35632"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35630" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762819875917"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35630" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35630" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35630" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 19 Sep 25 11:09 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35630"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35629" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762819875917"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35629" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35629" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35629" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;expatofff - 18 Sep 25 6:23 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35629"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35621" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762819875917"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35621" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35621" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35621" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;AB2014 - 11 Sep 25 9:06 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35621"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35618" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762819875917"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35618" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35618" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35618" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;JASB - 10 Sep 25 6:43 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35618"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35581" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762819875917"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 2 Aug 25 6:22 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35581"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;Wasn't too sure where to post this, hopefully here is OK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm looking forward (with crossed fingers) to heading off on holiday once I'm off licence next year.&amp;nbsp; I have indefinite SOR and SHPO so need to pay careful attention to the rules.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have made myself familiar with the travel notification process and this seems quite straightforward.&amp;nbsp; I understand that I have to notify my travel details at least 7 days in advance, and if any of these should change while I'm away e.g. canceled flight, I have to notifiy again within 3 days of my return to the UK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However I can't find a definitive statement on &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;the extent to which the SOR and/or SHPO requirements apply abroad.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For example, if I access the internet from the UK using my own devices no notification is required, but if I were to use the wifi at e.g. Birmingham New St, I would have to notifiy within 3 days of doing so.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;With one eye on the cost of mobile data overseas, I want to know whether I am still subject to the reporting requirements if I use the wifi in a Spanish bar... if so, I will have to carry a notebook and pen around with me to keep track !!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm sure I read somewhere that SOR and SHPO requirements do not apply while out of the UK, but for all my googling I can't find hard and firm info.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Any help much appreciated :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As other have mentioned the authorities have no "authority" when you are not within "UK" jurisdiction.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One point I will ask if to anyone else who has an indef SOR requirement.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As those on the indef SOR requirement are aware you have a 15 year countdown until your can apply to have it discharged.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Due to my various discussions with various areas of the "Authorities", I read that time spent outside of the UK jurisdiction does not count or rather is added on to the 15 years in the same manner time spent incarcerated is not counted in the reduction of the 15 year countdown.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Therefore has anyone become a victim of this? If so was you out of the country for days, weeks, months or years.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It would be interesting to know as I have found their records are not fully accurate and this element would have to be or at least "we would have to maintain our own records.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As always keep safe and lawful but be happy&lt;br/&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35618"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I've just checked the law about notification periods, and it says that any period spent outside the UK before first notifying at a police station &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/88B"&gt;doesn't count towards the fifteen years&lt;/a&gt;. In the bit about calculating the qualifying period, &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/schedule/3A/paragraph/2"&gt;time spent abroad isn't mentioned&lt;/a&gt;. I'm guessing that was set up to cover people who go abroad and are convicted in their absence, but whatever the reason, that's how it stands.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35621"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Being abroad you're not subject at all.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When I applied to have my sopo removed as it was to further notice so it meant my SOR was never ending the police barrister actually said me not notifying or following sopo restrictions abroad showed I was of bad character but also admitted that I had done nothing wrong by not doing.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;At a guestimate I spent 85% or 90% of my SOR period abroad, until I had it removed, and nothing was mentioned about the wait time not being met.&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35629"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you don't mind me asking, where did you spend your time abroad ?&amp;nbsp; I'd be interested to know which countries don't take much account of convictions, SHPO &amp;amp; SOR...&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35630"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Spain and Asia mainly. Spain initially.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35632"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;Be interesting in how "Asia" allowed you entry and if your OM was aware before hand. Mind you I should assume you went there from Spain so did not tell them of the trip?&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35709"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yeah I moved back to Spain (moved there originally after my conviction but went back to the UK after 3 years). Then after a week in Spain I moved to Asia. It may have changed but at the time you only had to notify of your first point of call if you didn't have anything else already planned.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Technically I didn't, if anyone asked.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35723"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;My father used to live there and I visited (98 onwards) often prior to my offence. Whilst I was on bail I went for 4 months and no one cared. Mind you after my guilty plea the Probation Office went to town on my visits. Whilst awaiting sentencing (for 2 years) I was going back to visit family. However the police took me to Court saying I was doing a runner. The Judge dismissed their case but did allow them to keep my passport as Asia is deemed a high risk place. this was back in 2012&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Passport control especially Thailand and Vietnam were very strict on the questions about convictions hence my question, as even now i cannot go back else I would to see extended family&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35739"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;Expatoff and JASB seem to be giving differing accounts of their foreign visits. One of you is untroubled by travel to Asia and the other is wary of returning.&amp;nbsp; Can either of you clarify the conflicting posts? Thanks&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35742"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I can't talk for or explain JASB's response. The country I visited didn't ask questions about conviction. I lived there for almost 2 years.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;JASB was talking about going while awaiting sentencing, I was talking about going after then.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I can't tell you or explain the differences. I know at the time (as I said before I've been free from the sor for a while now) I did nothing legally wrong. I didn't make the police happy, but that's not the same.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;</description><pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2025 00:16:19 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>expatofff</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Applicability of SOR &amp; SHPO while abroad</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35742.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="35739" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762600520422"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35739" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35739" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35739" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;JASB - 7 Nov 25 3:36 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35739"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35723" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762600520422"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35723" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35723" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35723" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;expatofff - 1 Nov 25 8:30 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35723"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35709" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762600520422"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35709" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35709" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35709" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;JASB - 27 Oct 25 10:48 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35709"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35632" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762600520422"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35632" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35632" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35632" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;expatofff - 19 Sep 25 11:57 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35632"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35630" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762600520422"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35630" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35630" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35630" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 19 Sep 25 11:09 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35630"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35629" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762600520422"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35629" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35629" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35629" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;expatofff - 18 Sep 25 6:23 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35629"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35621" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762600520422"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35621" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35621" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35621" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;AB2014 - 11 Sep 25 9:06 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35621"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35618" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762600520422"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35618" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35618" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35618" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;JASB - 10 Sep 25 6:43 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35618"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35581" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762600520422"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 2 Aug 25 6:22 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35581"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;Wasn't too sure where to post this, hopefully here is OK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm looking forward (with crossed fingers) to heading off on holiday once I'm off licence next year.&amp;nbsp; I have indefinite SOR and SHPO so need to pay careful attention to the rules.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have made myself familiar with the travel notification process and this seems quite straightforward.&amp;nbsp; I understand that I have to notify my travel details at least 7 days in advance, and if any of these should change while I'm away e.g. canceled flight, I have to notifiy again within 3 days of my return to the UK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However I can't find a definitive statement on &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;the extent to which the SOR and/or SHPO requirements apply abroad.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For example, if I access the internet from the UK using my own devices no notification is required, but if I were to use the wifi at e.g. Birmingham New St, I would have to notifiy within 3 days of doing so.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;With one eye on the cost of mobile data overseas, I want to know whether I am still subject to the reporting requirements if I use the wifi in a Spanish bar... if so, I will have to carry a notebook and pen around with me to keep track !!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm sure I read somewhere that SOR and SHPO requirements do not apply while out of the UK, but for all my googling I can't find hard and firm info.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Any help much appreciated :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As other have mentioned the authorities have no "authority" when you are not within "UK" jurisdiction.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One point I will ask if to anyone else who has an indef SOR requirement.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As those on the indef SOR requirement are aware you have a 15 year countdown until your can apply to have it discharged.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Due to my various discussions with various areas of the "Authorities", I read that time spent outside of the UK jurisdiction does not count or rather is added on to the 15 years in the same manner time spent incarcerated is not counted in the reduction of the 15 year countdown.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Therefore has anyone become a victim of this? If so was you out of the country for days, weeks, months or years.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It would be interesting to know as I have found their records are not fully accurate and this element would have to be or at least "we would have to maintain our own records.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As always keep safe and lawful but be happy&lt;br/&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35618"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I've just checked the law about notification periods, and it says that any period spent outside the UK before first notifying at a police station &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/88B"&gt;doesn't count towards the fifteen years&lt;/a&gt;. In the bit about calculating the qualifying period, &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/schedule/3A/paragraph/2"&gt;time spent abroad isn't mentioned&lt;/a&gt;. I'm guessing that was set up to cover people who go abroad and are convicted in their absence, but whatever the reason, that's how it stands.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35621"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Being abroad you're not subject at all.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When I applied to have my sopo removed as it was to further notice so it meant my SOR was never ending the police barrister actually said me not notifying or following sopo restrictions abroad showed I was of bad character but also admitted that I had done nothing wrong by not doing.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;At a guestimate I spent 85% or 90% of my SOR period abroad, until I had it removed, and nothing was mentioned about the wait time not being met.&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35629"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you don't mind me asking, where did you spend your time abroad ?&amp;nbsp; I'd be interested to know which countries don't take much account of convictions, SHPO &amp;amp; SOR...&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35630"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Spain and Asia mainly. Spain initially.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35632"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;Be interesting in how "Asia" allowed you entry and if your OM was aware before hand. Mind you I should assume you went there from Spain so did not tell them of the trip?&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35709"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yeah I moved back to Spain (moved there originally after my conviction but went back to the UK after 3 years). Then after a week in Spain I moved to Asia. It may have changed but at the time you only had to notify of your first point of call if you didn't have anything else already planned.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Technically I didn't, if anyone asked.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35723"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;My father used to live there and I visited (98 onwards) often prior to my offence. Whilst I was on bail I went for 4 months and no one cared. Mind you after my guilty plea the Probation Office went to town on my visits. Whilst awaiting sentencing (for 2 years) I was going back to visit family. However the police took me to Court saying I was doing a runner. The Judge dismissed their case but did allow them to keep my passport as Asia is deemed a high risk place. this was back in 2012&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Passport control especially Thailand and Vietnam were very strict on the questions about convictions hence my question, as even now i cannot go back else I would to see extended family&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35739"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;Expatoff and JASB seem to be giving differing accounts of their foreign visits. One of you is untroubled by travel to Asia and the other is wary of returning.&amp;nbsp; Can either of you clarify the conflicting posts? Thanks</description><pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2025 11:19:57 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>iowian</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Applicability of SOR &amp; SHPO while abroad</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35739.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="35723" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762529372210"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35723" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35723" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35723" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;expatofff - 1 Nov 25 8:30 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35723"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35709" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762529372210"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35709" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35709" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35709" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;JASB - 27 Oct 25 10:48 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35709"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35632" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762529372210"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35632" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35632" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35632" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;expatofff - 19 Sep 25 11:57 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35632"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35630" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762529372210"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35630" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35630" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35630" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 19 Sep 25 11:09 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35630"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35629" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762529372210"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35629" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35629" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35629" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;expatofff - 18 Sep 25 6:23 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35629"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35621" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762529372210"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35621" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35621" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35621" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;AB2014 - 11 Sep 25 9:06 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35621"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35618" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762529372210"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35618" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35618" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35618" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;JASB - 10 Sep 25 6:43 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35618"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35581" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762529372210"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 2 Aug 25 6:22 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35581"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;Wasn't too sure where to post this, hopefully here is OK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm looking forward (with crossed fingers) to heading off on holiday once I'm off licence next year.&amp;nbsp; I have indefinite SOR and SHPO so need to pay careful attention to the rules.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have made myself familiar with the travel notification process and this seems quite straightforward.&amp;nbsp; I understand that I have to notify my travel details at least 7 days in advance, and if any of these should change while I'm away e.g. canceled flight, I have to notifiy again within 3 days of my return to the UK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However I can't find a definitive statement on &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;the extent to which the SOR and/or SHPO requirements apply abroad.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For example, if I access the internet from the UK using my own devices no notification is required, but if I were to use the wifi at e.g. Birmingham New St, I would have to notifiy within 3 days of doing so.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;With one eye on the cost of mobile data overseas, I want to know whether I am still subject to the reporting requirements if I use the wifi in a Spanish bar... if so, I will have to carry a notebook and pen around with me to keep track !!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm sure I read somewhere that SOR and SHPO requirements do not apply while out of the UK, but for all my googling I can't find hard and firm info.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Any help much appreciated :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As other have mentioned the authorities have no "authority" when you are not within "UK" jurisdiction.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One point I will ask if to anyone else who has an indef SOR requirement.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As those on the indef SOR requirement are aware you have a 15 year countdown until your can apply to have it discharged.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Due to my various discussions with various areas of the "Authorities", I read that time spent outside of the UK jurisdiction does not count or rather is added on to the 15 years in the same manner time spent incarcerated is not counted in the reduction of the 15 year countdown.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Therefore has anyone become a victim of this? If so was you out of the country for days, weeks, months or years.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It would be interesting to know as I have found their records are not fully accurate and this element would have to be or at least "we would have to maintain our own records.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As always keep safe and lawful but be happy&lt;br/&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35618"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I've just checked the law about notification periods, and it says that any period spent outside the UK before first notifying at a police station &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/88B"&gt;doesn't count towards the fifteen years&lt;/a&gt;. In the bit about calculating the qualifying period, &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/schedule/3A/paragraph/2"&gt;time spent abroad isn't mentioned&lt;/a&gt;. I'm guessing that was set up to cover people who go abroad and are convicted in their absence, but whatever the reason, that's how it stands.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35621"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Being abroad you're not subject at all.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When I applied to have my sopo removed as it was to further notice so it meant my SOR was never ending the police barrister actually said me not notifying or following sopo restrictions abroad showed I was of bad character but also admitted that I had done nothing wrong by not doing.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;At a guestimate I spent 85% or 90% of my SOR period abroad, until I had it removed, and nothing was mentioned about the wait time not being met.&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35629"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you don't mind me asking, where did you spend your time abroad ?&amp;nbsp; I'd be interested to know which countries don't take much account of convictions, SHPO &amp;amp; SOR...&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35630"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Spain and Asia mainly. Spain initially.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35632"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;Be interesting in how "Asia" allowed you entry and if your OM was aware before hand. Mind you I should assume you went there from Spain so did not tell them of the trip?&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35709"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yeah I moved back to Spain (moved there originally after my conviction but went back to the UK after 3 years). Then after a week in Spain I moved to Asia. It may have changed but at the time you only had to notify of your first point of call if you didn't have anything else already planned.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Technically I didn't, if anyone asked.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35723"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;My father used to live there and I visited (98 onwards) often prior to my offence. Whilst I was on bail I went for 4 months and no one cared. Mind you after my guilty plea the Probation Office went to town on my visits. Whilst awaiting sentencing (for 2 years) I was going back to visit family. However the police took me to Court saying I was doing a runner. The Judge dismissed their case but did allow them to keep my passport as Asia is deemed a high risk place. this was back in 2012&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The Passport control especially Thailand and Vietnam were very strict on the questions about convictions hence my question, as even now i cannot go back else I would to see extended family&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;</description><pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2025 15:36:15 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>JASB</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Applicability of SOR &amp; SHPO while abroad</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35725.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="35723" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762070991633"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35723" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35723" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35723" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;expatofff - 1 Nov 25 8:30 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35723"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35709" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762070991633"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35709" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35709" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35709" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;JASB - 27 Oct 25 10:48 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35709"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35632" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762070991633"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35632" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35632" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35632" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;expatofff - 19 Sep 25 11:57 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35632"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35630" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762070991633"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35630" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35630" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35630" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 19 Sep 25 11:09 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35630"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35629" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762070991633"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35629" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35629" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35629" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;expatofff - 18 Sep 25 6:23 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35629"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35621" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762070991633"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35621" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35621" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35621" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;AB2014 - 11 Sep 25 9:06 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35621"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35618" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762070991633"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35618" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35618" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35618" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;JASB - 10 Sep 25 6:43 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35618"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35581" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1762070991633"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 2 Aug 25 6:22 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35581"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;Wasn't too sure where to post this, hopefully here is OK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm looking forward (with crossed fingers) to heading off on holiday once I'm off licence next year.&amp;nbsp; I have indefinite SOR and SHPO so need to pay careful attention to the rules.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have made myself familiar with the travel notification process and this seems quite straightforward.&amp;nbsp; I understand that I have to notify my travel details at least 7 days in advance, and if any of these should change while I'm away e.g. canceled flight, I have to notifiy again within 3 days of my return to the UK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However I can't find a definitive statement on &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;the extent to which the SOR and/or SHPO requirements apply abroad.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For example, if I access the internet from the UK using my own devices no notification is required, but if I were to use the wifi at e.g. Birmingham New St, I would have to notifiy within 3 days of doing so.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;With one eye on the cost of mobile data overseas, I want to know whether I am still subject to the reporting requirements if I use the wifi in a Spanish bar... if so, I will have to carry a notebook and pen around with me to keep track !!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm sure I read somewhere that SOR and SHPO requirements do not apply while out of the UK, but for all my googling I can't find hard and firm info.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Any help much appreciated :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As other have mentioned the authorities have no "authority" when you are not within "UK" jurisdiction.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One point I will ask if to anyone else who has an indef SOR requirement.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As those on the indef SOR requirement are aware you have a 15 year countdown until your can apply to have it discharged.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Due to my various discussions with various areas of the "Authorities", I read that time spent outside of the UK jurisdiction does not count or rather is added on to the 15 years in the same manner time spent incarcerated is not counted in the reduction of the 15 year countdown.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Therefore has anyone become a victim of this? If so was you out of the country for days, weeks, months or years.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It would be interesting to know as I have found their records are not fully accurate and this element would have to be or at least "we would have to maintain our own records.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As always keep safe and lawful but be happy&lt;br/&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35618"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I've just checked the law about notification periods, and it says that any period spent outside the UK before first notifying at a police station &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/88B"&gt;doesn't count towards the fifteen years&lt;/a&gt;. In the bit about calculating the qualifying period, &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/schedule/3A/paragraph/2"&gt;time spent abroad isn't mentioned&lt;/a&gt;. I'm guessing that was set up to cover people who go abroad and are convicted in their absence, but whatever the reason, that's how it stands.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35621"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Being abroad you're not subject at all.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When I applied to have my sopo removed as it was to further notice so it meant my SOR was never ending the police barrister actually said me not notifying or following sopo restrictions abroad showed I was of bad character but also admitted that I had done nothing wrong by not doing.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;At a guestimate I spent 85% or 90% of my SOR period abroad, until I had it removed, and nothing was mentioned about the wait time not being met.&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35629"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you don't mind me asking, where did you spend your time abroad ?&amp;nbsp; I'd be interested to know which countries don't take much account of convictions, SHPO &amp;amp; SOR...&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35630"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Spain and Asia mainly. Spain initially.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35632"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;Be interesting in how "Asia" allowed you entry and if your OM was aware before hand. Mind you I should assume you went there from Spain so did not tell them of the trip?&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35709"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yeah I moved back to Spain (moved there originally after my conviction but went back to the UK after 3 years). Then after a week in Spain I moved to Asia. It may have changed but at the time you only had to notify of your first point of call if you didn't have anything else already planned.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Technically I didn't, if anyone asked.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35723"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It is exactly so.&amp;nbsp;</description><pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2025 08:10:14 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>JGUK68</dc:creator></item><item><title /><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35723.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="35709" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35709" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35709" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35709" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;JASB - 27 Oct 25 10:48 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35709"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35632" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1761562030647"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35632" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35632" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35632" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;expatofff - 19 Sep 25 11:57 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35632"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35630" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1761562030647"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35630" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35630" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35630" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 19 Sep 25 11:09 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35630"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35629" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1761562030647"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35629" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35629" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35629" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;expatofff - 18 Sep 25 6:23 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35629"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35621" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1761562030647"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35621" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35621" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35621" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;AB2014 - 11 Sep 25 9:06 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35621"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35618" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1761562030647"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35618" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35618" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35618" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;JASB - 10 Sep 25 6:43 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35618"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35581" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1761562030647"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 2 Aug 25 6:22 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35581"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;Wasn't too sure where to post this, hopefully here is OK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm looking forward (with crossed fingers) to heading off on holiday once I'm off licence next year.&amp;nbsp; I have indefinite SOR and SHPO so need to pay careful attention to the rules.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have made myself familiar with the travel notification process and this seems quite straightforward.&amp;nbsp; I understand that I have to notify my travel details at least 7 days in advance, and if any of these should change while I'm away e.g. canceled flight, I have to notifiy again within 3 days of my return to the UK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However I can't find a definitive statement on &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;the extent to which the SOR and/or SHPO requirements apply abroad.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For example, if I access the internet from the UK using my own devices no notification is required, but if I were to use the wifi at e.g. Birmingham New St, I would have to notifiy within 3 days of doing so.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;With one eye on the cost of mobile data overseas, I want to know whether I am still subject to the reporting requirements if I use the wifi in a Spanish bar... if so, I will have to carry a notebook and pen around with me to keep track !!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm sure I read somewhere that SOR and SHPO requirements do not apply while out of the UK, but for all my googling I can't find hard and firm info.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Any help much appreciated :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As other have mentioned the authorities have no "authority" when you are not within "UK" jurisdiction.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One point I will ask if to anyone else who has an indef SOR requirement.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As those on the indef SOR requirement are aware you have a 15 year countdown until your can apply to have it discharged.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Due to my various discussions with various areas of the "Authorities", I read that time spent outside of the UK jurisdiction does not count or rather is added on to the 15 years in the same manner time spent incarcerated is not counted in the reduction of the 15 year countdown.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Therefore has anyone become a victim of this? If so was you out of the country for days, weeks, months or years.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It would be interesting to know as I have found their records are not fully accurate and this element would have to be or at least "we would have to maintain our own records.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As always keep safe and lawful but be happy&lt;br/&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35618"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I've just checked the law about notification periods, and it says that any period spent outside the UK before first notifying at a police station &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/88B"&gt;doesn't count towards the fifteen years&lt;/a&gt;. In the bit about calculating the qualifying period, &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/schedule/3A/paragraph/2"&gt;time spent abroad isn't mentioned&lt;/a&gt;. I'm guessing that was set up to cover people who go abroad and are convicted in their absence, but whatever the reason, that's how it stands.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35621"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Being abroad you're not subject at all.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When I applied to have my sopo removed as it was to further notice so it meant my SOR was never ending the police barrister actually said me not notifying or following sopo restrictions abroad showed I was of bad character but also admitted that I had done nothing wrong by not doing.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;At a guestimate I spent 85% or 90% of my SOR period abroad, until I had it removed, and nothing was mentioned about the wait time not being met.&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35629"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you don't mind me asking, where did you spend your time abroad ?&amp;nbsp; I'd be interested to know which countries don't take much account of convictions, SHPO &amp;amp; SOR...&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35630"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Spain and Asia mainly. Spain initially.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35632"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;Be interesting in how "Asia" allowed you entry and if your OM was aware before hand. Mind you I should assume you went there from Spain so did not tell them of the trip?&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35709"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yeah I moved back to Spain (moved there originally after my conviction but went back to the UK after 3 years). Then after a week in Spain I moved to Asia. It may have changed but at the time you only had to notify of your first point of call if you didn't have anything else already planned.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Technically I didn't, if anyone asked.</description><pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2025 20:30:02 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>expatofff</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Applicability of SOR &amp; SHPO while abroad</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35709.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="35632" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1761562030647"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35632" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35632" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35632" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;expatofff - 19 Sep 25 11:57 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35632"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35630" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1761562030647"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35630" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35630" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35630" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 19 Sep 25 11:09 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35630"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35629" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1761562030647"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35629" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35629" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35629" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;expatofff - 18 Sep 25 6:23 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35629"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35621" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1761562030647"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35621" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35621" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35621" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;AB2014 - 11 Sep 25 9:06 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35621"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35618" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1761562030647"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35618" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35618" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35618" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;JASB - 10 Sep 25 6:43 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35618"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35581" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1761562030647"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 2 Aug 25 6:22 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35581"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;Wasn't too sure where to post this, hopefully here is OK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm looking forward (with crossed fingers) to heading off on holiday once I'm off licence next year.&amp;nbsp; I have indefinite SOR and SHPO so need to pay careful attention to the rules.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have made myself familiar with the travel notification process and this seems quite straightforward.&amp;nbsp; I understand that I have to notify my travel details at least 7 days in advance, and if any of these should change while I'm away e.g. canceled flight, I have to notifiy again within 3 days of my return to the UK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However I can't find a definitive statement on &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;the extent to which the SOR and/or SHPO requirements apply abroad.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For example, if I access the internet from the UK using my own devices no notification is required, but if I were to use the wifi at e.g. Birmingham New St, I would have to notifiy within 3 days of doing so.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;With one eye on the cost of mobile data overseas, I want to know whether I am still subject to the reporting requirements if I use the wifi in a Spanish bar... if so, I will have to carry a notebook and pen around with me to keep track !!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm sure I read somewhere that SOR and SHPO requirements do not apply while out of the UK, but for all my googling I can't find hard and firm info.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Any help much appreciated :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As other have mentioned the authorities have no "authority" when you are not within "UK" jurisdiction.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One point I will ask if to anyone else who has an indef SOR requirement.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As those on the indef SOR requirement are aware you have a 15 year countdown until your can apply to have it discharged.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Due to my various discussions with various areas of the "Authorities", I read that time spent outside of the UK jurisdiction does not count or rather is added on to the 15 years in the same manner time spent incarcerated is not counted in the reduction of the 15 year countdown.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Therefore has anyone become a victim of this? If so was you out of the country for days, weeks, months or years.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It would be interesting to know as I have found their records are not fully accurate and this element would have to be or at least "we would have to maintain our own records.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As always keep safe and lawful but be happy&lt;br/&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35618"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I've just checked the law about notification periods, and it says that any period spent outside the UK before first notifying at a police station &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/88B"&gt;doesn't count towards the fifteen years&lt;/a&gt;. In the bit about calculating the qualifying period, &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/schedule/3A/paragraph/2"&gt;time spent abroad isn't mentioned&lt;/a&gt;. I'm guessing that was set up to cover people who go abroad and are convicted in their absence, but whatever the reason, that's how it stands.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35621"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Being abroad you're not subject at all.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When I applied to have my sopo removed as it was to further notice so it meant my SOR was never ending the police barrister actually said me not notifying or following sopo restrictions abroad showed I was of bad character but also admitted that I had done nothing wrong by not doing.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;At a guestimate I spent 85% or 90% of my SOR period abroad, until I had it removed, and nothing was mentioned about the wait time not being met.&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35629"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you don't mind me asking, where did you spend your time abroad ?&amp;nbsp; I'd be interested to know which countries don't take much account of convictions, SHPO &amp;amp; SOR...&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35630"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Spain and Asia mainly. Spain initially.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35632"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;Be interesting in how "Asia" allowed you entry and if your OM was aware before hand. Mind you I should assume you went there from Spain so did not tell them of the trip?</description><pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2025 10:48:30 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>JASB</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Applicability of SOR &amp; SHPO while abroad</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35633.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="35632" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1758353930969"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35632" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35632" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35632" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;expatofff - 19 Sep 25 11:57 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35632"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35630" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1758353930969"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35630" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35630" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35630" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 19 Sep 25 11:09 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35630"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35629" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1758353930969"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35629" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35629" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35629" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;expatofff - 18 Sep 25 6:23 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35629"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35621" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1758353930969"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35621" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35621" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35621" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;AB2014 - 11 Sep 25 9:06 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35621"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35618" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1758353930969"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35618" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35618" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35618" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;JASB - 10 Sep 25 6:43 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35618"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35581" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1758353930969"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 2 Aug 25 6:22 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35581"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;Wasn't too sure where to post this, hopefully here is OK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm looking forward (with crossed fingers) to heading off on holiday once I'm off licence next year.&amp;nbsp; I have indefinite SOR and SHPO so need to pay careful attention to the rules.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have made myself familiar with the travel notification process and this seems quite straightforward.&amp;nbsp; I understand that I have to notify my travel details at least 7 days in advance, and if any of these should change while I'm away e.g. canceled flight, I have to notifiy again within 3 days of my return to the UK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However I can't find a definitive statement on &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;the extent to which the SOR and/or SHPO requirements apply abroad.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For example, if I access the internet from the UK using my own devices no notification is required, but if I were to use the wifi at e.g. Birmingham New St, I would have to notifiy within 3 days of doing so.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;With one eye on the cost of mobile data overseas, I want to know whether I am still subject to the reporting requirements if I use the wifi in a Spanish bar... if so, I will have to carry a notebook and pen around with me to keep track !!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm sure I read somewhere that SOR and SHPO requirements do not apply while out of the UK, but for all my googling I can't find hard and firm info.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Any help much appreciated :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As other have mentioned the authorities have no "authority" when you are not within "UK" jurisdiction.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One point I will ask if to anyone else who has an indef SOR requirement.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As those on the indef SOR requirement are aware you have a 15 year countdown until your can apply to have it discharged.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Due to my various discussions with various areas of the "Authorities", I read that time spent outside of the UK jurisdiction does not count or rather is added on to the 15 years in the same manner time spent incarcerated is not counted in the reduction of the 15 year countdown.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Therefore has anyone become a victim of this? If so was you out of the country for days, weeks, months or years.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It would be interesting to know as I have found their records are not fully accurate and this element would have to be or at least "we would have to maintain our own records.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As always keep safe and lawful but be happy&lt;br/&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35618"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I've just checked the law about notification periods, and it says that any period spent outside the UK before first notifying at a police station &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/88B"&gt;doesn't count towards the fifteen years&lt;/a&gt;. In the bit about calculating the qualifying period, &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/schedule/3A/paragraph/2"&gt;time spent abroad isn't mentioned&lt;/a&gt;. I'm guessing that was set up to cover people who go abroad and are convicted in their absence, but whatever the reason, that's how it stands.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35621"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Being abroad you're not subject at all.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When I applied to have my sopo removed as it was to further notice so it meant my SOR was never ending the police barrister actually said me not notifying or following sopo restrictions abroad showed I was of bad character but also admitted that I had done nothing wrong by not doing.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;At a guestimate I spent 85% or 90% of my SOR period abroad, until I had it removed, and nothing was mentioned about the wait time not being met.&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35629"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you don't mind me asking, where did you spend your time abroad ?&amp;nbsp; I'd be interested to know which countries don't take much account of convictions, SHPO &amp;amp; SOR...&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35630"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Spain and Asia mainly. Spain initially.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35632"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Cheers</description><pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2025 08:38:59 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>CB Root</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Applicability of SOR &amp; SHPO while abroad</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35632.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="35630" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1758322581210"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35630" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35630" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35630" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 19 Sep 25 11:09 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35630"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35629" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1758322581210"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35629" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35629" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35629" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;expatofff - 18 Sep 25 6:23 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35629"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35621" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1758322581210"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35621" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35621" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35621" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;AB2014 - 11 Sep 25 9:06 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35621"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35618" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1758322581210"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35618" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35618" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35618" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;JASB - 10 Sep 25 6:43 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35618"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35581" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1758322581210"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 2 Aug 25 6:22 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35581"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;Wasn't too sure where to post this, hopefully here is OK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm looking forward (with crossed fingers) to heading off on holiday once I'm off licence next year.&amp;nbsp; I have indefinite SOR and SHPO so need to pay careful attention to the rules.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have made myself familiar with the travel notification process and this seems quite straightforward.&amp;nbsp; I understand that I have to notify my travel details at least 7 days in advance, and if any of these should change while I'm away e.g. canceled flight, I have to notifiy again within 3 days of my return to the UK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However I can't find a definitive statement on &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;the extent to which the SOR and/or SHPO requirements apply abroad.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For example, if I access the internet from the UK using my own devices no notification is required, but if I were to use the wifi at e.g. Birmingham New St, I would have to notifiy within 3 days of doing so.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;With one eye on the cost of mobile data overseas, I want to know whether I am still subject to the reporting requirements if I use the wifi in a Spanish bar... if so, I will have to carry a notebook and pen around with me to keep track !!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm sure I read somewhere that SOR and SHPO requirements do not apply while out of the UK, but for all my googling I can't find hard and firm info.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Any help much appreciated :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As other have mentioned the authorities have no "authority" when you are not within "UK" jurisdiction.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One point I will ask if to anyone else who has an indef SOR requirement.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As those on the indef SOR requirement are aware you have a 15 year countdown until your can apply to have it discharged.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Due to my various discussions with various areas of the "Authorities", I read that time spent outside of the UK jurisdiction does not count or rather is added on to the 15 years in the same manner time spent incarcerated is not counted in the reduction of the 15 year countdown.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Therefore has anyone become a victim of this? If so was you out of the country for days, weeks, months or years.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It would be interesting to know as I have found their records are not fully accurate and this element would have to be or at least "we would have to maintain our own records.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As always keep safe and lawful but be happy&lt;br/&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35618"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I've just checked the law about notification periods, and it says that any period spent outside the UK before first notifying at a police station &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/88B"&gt;doesn't count towards the fifteen years&lt;/a&gt;. In the bit about calculating the qualifying period, &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/schedule/3A/paragraph/2"&gt;time spent abroad isn't mentioned&lt;/a&gt;. I'm guessing that was set up to cover people who go abroad and are convicted in their absence, but whatever the reason, that's how it stands.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35621"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Being abroad you're not subject at all.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When I applied to have my sopo removed as it was to further notice so it meant my SOR was never ending the police barrister actually said me not notifying or following sopo restrictions abroad showed I was of bad character but also admitted that I had done nothing wrong by not doing.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;At a guestimate I spent 85% or 90% of my SOR period abroad, until I had it removed, and nothing was mentioned about the wait time not being met.&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35629"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you don't mind me asking, where did you spend your time abroad ?&amp;nbsp; I'd be interested to know which countries don't take much account of convictions, SHPO &amp;amp; SOR...&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35630"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Spain and Asia mainly. Spain initially.</description><pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2025 23:57:25 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>expatofff</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Applicability of SOR &amp; SHPO while abroad</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35630.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="35629" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1758319665450"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35629" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35629" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35629" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;expatofff - 18 Sep 25 6:23 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35629"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35621" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1758319665450"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35621" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35621" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35621" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;AB2014 - 11 Sep 25 9:06 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35621"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35618" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1758319665450"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35618" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35618" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35618" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;JASB - 10 Sep 25 6:43 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35618"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35581" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1758319665450"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 2 Aug 25 6:22 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35581"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;Wasn't too sure where to post this, hopefully here is OK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm looking forward (with crossed fingers) to heading off on holiday once I'm off licence next year.&amp;nbsp; I have indefinite SOR and SHPO so need to pay careful attention to the rules.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have made myself familiar with the travel notification process and this seems quite straightforward.&amp;nbsp; I understand that I have to notify my travel details at least 7 days in advance, and if any of these should change while I'm away e.g. canceled flight, I have to notifiy again within 3 days of my return to the UK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However I can't find a definitive statement on &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;the extent to which the SOR and/or SHPO requirements apply abroad.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For example, if I access the internet from the UK using my own devices no notification is required, but if I were to use the wifi at e.g. Birmingham New St, I would have to notifiy within 3 days of doing so.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;With one eye on the cost of mobile data overseas, I want to know whether I am still subject to the reporting requirements if I use the wifi in a Spanish bar... if so, I will have to carry a notebook and pen around with me to keep track !!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm sure I read somewhere that SOR and SHPO requirements do not apply while out of the UK, but for all my googling I can't find hard and firm info.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Any help much appreciated :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As other have mentioned the authorities have no "authority" when you are not within "UK" jurisdiction.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One point I will ask if to anyone else who has an indef SOR requirement.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As those on the indef SOR requirement are aware you have a 15 year countdown until your can apply to have it discharged.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Due to my various discussions with various areas of the "Authorities", I read that time spent outside of the UK jurisdiction does not count or rather is added on to the 15 years in the same manner time spent incarcerated is not counted in the reduction of the 15 year countdown.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Therefore has anyone become a victim of this? If so was you out of the country for days, weeks, months or years.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It would be interesting to know as I have found their records are not fully accurate and this element would have to be or at least "we would have to maintain our own records.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As always keep safe and lawful but be happy&lt;br/&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35618"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I've just checked the law about notification periods, and it says that any period spent outside the UK before first notifying at a police station &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/88B"&gt;doesn't count towards the fifteen years&lt;/a&gt;. In the bit about calculating the qualifying period, &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/schedule/3A/paragraph/2"&gt;time spent abroad isn't mentioned&lt;/a&gt;. I'm guessing that was set up to cover people who go abroad and are convicted in their absence, but whatever the reason, that's how it stands.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35621"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Being abroad you're not subject at all.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When I applied to have my sopo removed as it was to further notice so it meant my SOR was never ending the police barrister actually said me not notifying or following sopo restrictions abroad showed I was of bad character but also admitted that I had done nothing wrong by not doing.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;At a guestimate I spent 85% or 90% of my SOR period abroad, until I had it removed, and nothing was mentioned about the wait time not being met.&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35629"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you don't mind me asking, where did you spend your time abroad ?&amp;nbsp; I'd be interested to know which countries don't take much account of convictions, SHPO &amp;amp; SOR...</description><pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2025 23:09:44 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>CB Root</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Applicability of SOR &amp; SHPO while abroad</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35629.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="35621" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1758216000741"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35621" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35621" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35621" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;AB2014 - 11 Sep 25 9:06 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35621"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35618" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1758216000741"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35618" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35618" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35618" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;JASB - 10 Sep 25 6:43 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35618"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35581" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1758216000741"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 2 Aug 25 6:22 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35581"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;Wasn't too sure where to post this, hopefully here is OK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm looking forward (with crossed fingers) to heading off on holiday once I'm off licence next year.&amp;nbsp; I have indefinite SOR and SHPO so need to pay careful attention to the rules.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have made myself familiar with the travel notification process and this seems quite straightforward.&amp;nbsp; I understand that I have to notify my travel details at least 7 days in advance, and if any of these should change while I'm away e.g. canceled flight, I have to notifiy again within 3 days of my return to the UK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However I can't find a definitive statement on &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;the extent to which the SOR and/or SHPO requirements apply abroad.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For example, if I access the internet from the UK using my own devices no notification is required, but if I were to use the wifi at e.g. Birmingham New St, I would have to notifiy within 3 days of doing so.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;With one eye on the cost of mobile data overseas, I want to know whether I am still subject to the reporting requirements if I use the wifi in a Spanish bar... if so, I will have to carry a notebook and pen around with me to keep track !!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm sure I read somewhere that SOR and SHPO requirements do not apply while out of the UK, but for all my googling I can't find hard and firm info.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Any help much appreciated :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As other have mentioned the authorities have no "authority" when you are not within "UK" jurisdiction.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One point I will ask if to anyone else who has an indef SOR requirement.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As those on the indef SOR requirement are aware you have a 15 year countdown until your can apply to have it discharged.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Due to my various discussions with various areas of the "Authorities", I read that time spent outside of the UK jurisdiction does not count or rather is added on to the 15 years in the same manner time spent incarcerated is not counted in the reduction of the 15 year countdown.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Therefore has anyone become a victim of this? If so was you out of the country for days, weeks, months or years.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It would be interesting to know as I have found their records are not fully accurate and this element would have to be or at least "we would have to maintain our own records.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As always keep safe and lawful but be happy&lt;br/&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35618"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I've just checked the law about notification periods, and it says that any period spent outside the UK before first notifying at a police station &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/88B"&gt;doesn't count towards the fifteen years&lt;/a&gt;. In the bit about calculating the qualifying period, &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/schedule/3A/paragraph/2"&gt;time spent abroad isn't mentioned&lt;/a&gt;. I'm guessing that was set up to cover people who go abroad and are convicted in their absence, but whatever the reason, that's how it stands.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35621"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Being abroad you're not subject at all.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When I applied to have my sopo removed as it was to further notice so it meant my SOR was never ending the police barrister actually said me not notifying or following sopo restrictions abroad showed I was of bad character but also admitted that I had done nothing wrong by not doing.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;At a guestimate I spent 85% or 90% of my SOR period abroad, until I had it removed, and nothing was mentioned about the wait time not being met.&amp;nbsp;</description><pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2025 18:23:39 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>expatofff</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Applicability of SOR &amp; SHPO while abroad</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35628.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="35621" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1758042428788"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35621" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35621" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35621" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;AB2014 - 11 Sep 25 9:06 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35621"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35618" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1758042428788"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35618" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35618" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35618" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;JASB - 10 Sep 25 6:43 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35618"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35581" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1758042428788"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 2 Aug 25 6:22 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35581"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;Wasn't too sure where to post this, hopefully here is OK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm looking forward (with crossed fingers) to heading off on holiday once I'm off licence next year.&amp;nbsp; I have indefinite SOR and SHPO so need to pay careful attention to the rules.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have made myself familiar with the travel notification process and this seems quite straightforward.&amp;nbsp; I understand that I have to notify my travel details at least 7 days in advance, and if any of these should change while I'm away e.g. canceled flight, I have to notifiy again within 3 days of my return to the UK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However I can't find a definitive statement on &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;the extent to which the SOR and/or SHPO requirements apply abroad.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For example, if I access the internet from the UK using my own devices no notification is required, but if I were to use the wifi at e.g. Birmingham New St, I would have to notifiy within 3 days of doing so.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;With one eye on the cost of mobile data overseas, I want to know whether I am still subject to the reporting requirements if I use the wifi in a Spanish bar... if so, I will have to carry a notebook and pen around with me to keep track !!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm sure I read somewhere that SOR and SHPO requirements do not apply while out of the UK, but for all my googling I can't find hard and firm info.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Any help much appreciated :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As other have mentioned the authorities have no "authority" when you are not within "UK" jurisdiction.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One point I will ask if to anyone else who has an indef SOR requirement.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As those on the indef SOR requirement are aware you have a 15 year countdown until your can apply to have it discharged.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Due to my various discussions with various areas of the "Authorities", I read that time spent outside of the UK jurisdiction does not count or rather is added on to the 15 years in the same manner time spent incarcerated is not counted in the reduction of the 15 year countdown.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Therefore has anyone become a victim of this? If so was you out of the country for days, weeks, months or years.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It would be interesting to know as I have found their records are not fully accurate and this element would have to be or at least "we would have to maintain our own records.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As always keep safe and lawful but be happy&lt;br/&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35618"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I've just checked the law about notification periods, and it says that any period spent outside the UK before first notifying at a police station &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/88B"&gt;doesn't count towards the fifteen years&lt;/a&gt;. In the bit about calculating the qualifying period, &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/schedule/3A/paragraph/2"&gt;time spent abroad isn't mentioned&lt;/a&gt;. I'm guessing that was set up to cover people who go abroad and are convicted in their absence, but whatever the reason, that's how it stands.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35621"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi and thanks,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That's the way I read it but wanted another opinion. However I will dig out the "info" I read that said something slightly different and get back you to.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As you know I am still trying to resolve my discharge application date and so far all and any "words" are being said because of the "lawful loop hole" (as some would call it) that their processes placed me in.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Cheers and keep happy.</description><pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2025 18:11:45 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>JASB</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Applicability of SOR &amp; SHPO while abroad</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35621.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="35618" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1757577737122"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35618" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35618" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35618" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;JASB - 10 Sep 25 6:43 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35618"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35581" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1757577737122"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 2 Aug 25 6:22 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35581"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;Wasn't too sure where to post this, hopefully here is OK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm looking forward (with crossed fingers) to heading off on holiday once I'm off licence next year.&amp;nbsp; I have indefinite SOR and SHPO so need to pay careful attention to the rules.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have made myself familiar with the travel notification process and this seems quite straightforward.&amp;nbsp; I understand that I have to notify my travel details at least 7 days in advance, and if any of these should change while I'm away e.g. canceled flight, I have to notifiy again within 3 days of my return to the UK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However I can't find a definitive statement on &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;the extent to which the SOR and/or SHPO requirements apply abroad.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For example, if I access the internet from the UK using my own devices no notification is required, but if I were to use the wifi at e.g. Birmingham New St, I would have to notifiy within 3 days of doing so.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;With one eye on the cost of mobile data overseas, I want to know whether I am still subject to the reporting requirements if I use the wifi in a Spanish bar... if so, I will have to carry a notebook and pen around with me to keep track !!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm sure I read somewhere that SOR and SHPO requirements do not apply while out of the UK, but for all my googling I can't find hard and firm info.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Any help much appreciated :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As other have mentioned the authorities have no "authority" when you are not within "UK" jurisdiction.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One point I will ask if to anyone else who has an indef SOR requirement.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As those on the indef SOR requirement are aware you have a 15 year countdown until your can apply to have it discharged.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Due to my various discussions with various areas of the "Authorities", I read that time spent outside of the UK jurisdiction does not count or rather is added on to the 15 years in the same manner time spent incarcerated is not counted in the reduction of the 15 year countdown.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Therefore has anyone become a victim of this? If so was you out of the country for days, weeks, months or years.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It would be interesting to know as I have found their records are not fully accurate and this element would have to be or at least "we would have to maintain our own records.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As always keep safe and lawful but be happy&lt;br/&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35618"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I've just checked the law about notification periods, and it says that any period spent outside the UK before first notifying at a police station &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/88B"&gt;doesn't count towards the fifteen years&lt;/a&gt;. In the bit about calculating the qualifying period, &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/schedule/3A/paragraph/2"&gt;time spent abroad isn't mentioned&lt;/a&gt;. I'm guessing that was set up to cover people who go abroad and are convicted in their absence, but whatever the reason, that's how it stands.</description><pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2025 09:06:30 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>AB2014</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Applicability of SOR &amp; SHPO while abroad</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35618.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="35581" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1757525560718"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 2 Aug 25 6:22 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35581"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;Wasn't too sure where to post this, hopefully here is OK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm looking forward (with crossed fingers) to heading off on holiday once I'm off licence next year.&amp;nbsp; I have indefinite SOR and SHPO so need to pay careful attention to the rules.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have made myself familiar with the travel notification process and this seems quite straightforward.&amp;nbsp; I understand that I have to notify my travel details at least 7 days in advance, and if any of these should change while I'm away e.g. canceled flight, I have to notifiy again within 3 days of my return to the UK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However I can't find a definitive statement on &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;the extent to which the SOR and/or SHPO requirements apply abroad.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For example, if I access the internet from the UK using my own devices no notification is required, but if I were to use the wifi at e.g. Birmingham New St, I would have to notifiy within 3 days of doing so.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;With one eye on the cost of mobile data overseas, I want to know whether I am still subject to the reporting requirements if I use the wifi in a Spanish bar... if so, I will have to carry a notebook and pen around with me to keep track !!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm sure I read somewhere that SOR and SHPO requirements do not apply while out of the UK, but for all my googling I can't find hard and firm info.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Any help much appreciated :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As other have mentioned the authorities have no "authority" when you are not within "UK" jurisdiction.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One point I will ask if to anyone else who has an indef SOR requirement.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As those on the indef SOR requirement are aware you have a 15 year countdown until your can apply to have it discharged.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Due to my various discussions with various areas of the "Authorities", I read that time spent outside of the UK jurisdiction does not count or rather is added on to the 15 years in the same manner time spent incarcerated is not counted in the reduction of the 15 year countdown.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Therefore has anyone become a victim of this? If so was you out of the country for days, weeks, months or years.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It would be interesting to know as I have found their records are not fully accurate and this element would have to be or at least "we would have to maintain our own records.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As always keep safe and lawful but be happy&lt;br/&gt;&amp;nbsp;</description><pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2025 18:43:31 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>JASB</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Applicability of SOR &amp; SHPO while abroad</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35588.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="35587" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1754328095332"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35587" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35587" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35587" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 4 Aug 25 5:51 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35587"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35586" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1754328095332"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35586" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35586" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35586" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;Paul Jan - 4 Aug 25 5:27 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35586"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35585" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1754328095332"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35585" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35585" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35585" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 4 Aug 25 5:17 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35585"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;Thanks for the prompt replies.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;For the sake of absolute clarity, my aim is to be a law-abiding citizen for the rest of my days, hence why I feel the need to check details like this...&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a title="View Pauls Profile..." id="ctl00_ctlContentPlaceHolder_ctl00_ctl00_ctlTopic_ctl00_ctlPanelBar_ctlTopicsRepeater_ctl02_hypUsername" class="i-type-bold" href="https://forum.unlock.org.uk/UserInfo5673.aspx" style="font-weight: 600; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(66, 127, 237); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal;"&gt;Paul&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;my PPU officer said there "shouldn't be any problem" with going to Spain, and I'm not high risk, so hopefully no Interpol notice (though I do appreciate these are done by a central team, not the PPU).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a title="View Evan Daviss Profile..." id="ctl00_ctlContentPlaceHolder_ctl00_ctl00_ctlTopic_ctl00_ctlPanelBar_ctlTopicsRepeater_ctl03_hypUsername" class="i-type-bold" href="https://forum.unlock.org.uk/UserInfo5251.aspx" style="font-weight: 600; text-decoration: underline; color: rgb(49, 97, 185); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal;"&gt;Evan Davis&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;"the legal position remains unclear" - no surprise there then :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;All the best !&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35585"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I went to majorca in March, had to go to manned gate on return. Going to France and Spain later this year, so hopefully no issues. Of course when the visa thing becomes live (end next year) we may not be allowed, though we'll see.&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35586"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As a matter of interest, did you get more questions than usual at the passport desk coming back in ?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On the topic of ETIAS, that doesn't go live until at least October 2026, so plenty of time for another couple of European trips :)&amp;nbsp; Unfortunately in the application they are going to be asking for disclosure of convictions over the previous 15 years (and I have a sneaking suspicion this will only increase) so as I am now in my 70s, next year is probably going to see my personal Farewell Europe Tour :(&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35587"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No, just where you've been etc.. Went through electronic gate at Palma OK.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm hoping the etias will be graduated in some way, so just barring the 'worst'..&amp;nbsp;</description><pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2025 18:23:36 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>Paul Jan</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Applicability of SOR &amp; SHPO while abroad</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35587.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="35586" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1754325841531"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35586" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35586" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35586" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;Paul Jan - 4 Aug 25 5:27 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35586"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35585" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1754325841531"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35585" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35585" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35585" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 4 Aug 25 5:17 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35585"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;Thanks for the prompt replies.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;For the sake of absolute clarity, my aim is to be a law-abiding citizen for the rest of my days, hence why I feel the need to check details like this...&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a title="View Pauls Profile..." id="ctl00_ctlContentPlaceHolder_ctl00_ctl00_ctlTopic_ctl00_ctlPanelBar_ctlTopicsRepeater_ctl02_hypUsername" class="i-type-bold" href="https://forum.unlock.org.uk/UserInfo5673.aspx" style="font-weight: 600; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(66, 127, 237); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal;"&gt;Paul&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;my PPU officer said there "shouldn't be any problem" with going to Spain, and I'm not high risk, so hopefully no Interpol notice (though I do appreciate these are done by a central team, not the PPU).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a title="View Evan Daviss Profile..." id="ctl00_ctlContentPlaceHolder_ctl00_ctl00_ctlTopic_ctl00_ctlPanelBar_ctlTopicsRepeater_ctl03_hypUsername" class="i-type-bold" href="https://forum.unlock.org.uk/UserInfo5251.aspx" style="font-weight: 600; text-decoration: underline; color: rgb(49, 97, 185); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal;"&gt;Evan Davis&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;"the legal position remains unclear" - no surprise there then :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;All the best !&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35585"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I went to majorca in March, had to go to manned gate on return. Going to France and Spain later this year, so hopefully no issues. Of course when the visa thing becomes live (end next year) we may not be allowed, though we'll see.&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35586"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As a matter of interest, did you get more questions than usual at the passport desk coming back in ?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On the topic of ETIAS, that doesn't go live until at least October 2026, so plenty of time for another couple of European trips :)&amp;nbsp; Unfortunately in the application they are going to be asking for disclosure of convictions over the previous 15 years (and I have a sneaking suspicion this will only increase) so as I am now in my 70s, next year is probably going to see my personal Farewell Europe Tour :(&amp;nbsp;</description><pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2025 17:51:12 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>CB Root</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Applicability of SOR &amp; SHPO while abroad</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35586.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="35585" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1754324717364"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35585" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35585" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35585" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 4 Aug 25 5:17 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35585"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;Thanks for the prompt replies.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;For the sake of absolute clarity, my aim is to be a law-abiding citizen for the rest of my days, hence why I feel the need to check details like this...&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a title="View Pauls Profile..." id="ctl00_ctlContentPlaceHolder_ctl00_ctl00_ctlTopic_ctl00_ctlPanelBar_ctlTopicsRepeater_ctl02_hypUsername" class="i-type-bold" href="https://forum.unlock.org.uk/UserInfo5673.aspx" style="font-weight: 600; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(66, 127, 237); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal;"&gt;Paul&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;my PPU officer said there "shouldn't be any problem" with going to Spain, and I'm not high risk, so hopefully no Interpol notice (though I do appreciate these are done by a central team, not the PPU).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a title="View Evan Daviss Profile..." id="ctl00_ctlContentPlaceHolder_ctl00_ctl00_ctlTopic_ctl00_ctlPanelBar_ctlTopicsRepeater_ctl03_hypUsername" class="i-type-bold" href="https://forum.unlock.org.uk/UserInfo5251.aspx" style="font-weight: 600; text-decoration: underline; color: rgb(49, 97, 185); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal;"&gt;Evan Davis&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;"the legal position remains unclear" - no surprise there then :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;All the best !&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35585"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I went to majorca in March, had to go to manned gate on return. Going to France and Spain later this year, so hopefully no issues. Of course when the visa thing becomes live (end next year) we may not be allowed, though we'll see.&amp;nbsp;</description><pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2025 17:27:36 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>Paul Jan</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Applicability of SOR &amp; SHPO while abroad</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35585.aspx</link><description>Thanks for the prompt replies.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;For the sake of absolute clarity, my aim is to be a law-abiding citizen for the rest of my days, hence why I feel the need to check details like this...&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a title="View Pauls Profile..." id="ctl00_ctlContentPlaceHolder_ctl00_ctl00_ctlTopic_ctl00_ctlPanelBar_ctlTopicsRepeater_ctl02_hypUsername" class="i-type-bold" href="https://forum.unlock.org.uk/UserInfo5673.aspx" style="font-weight: 600; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(66, 127, 237); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal;"&gt;Paul&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;my PPU officer said there "shouldn't be any problem" with going to Spain, and I'm not high risk, so hopefully no Interpol notice (though I do appreciate these are done by a central team, not the PPU).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a title="View Evan Daviss Profile..." id="ctl00_ctlContentPlaceHolder_ctl00_ctl00_ctlTopic_ctl00_ctlPanelBar_ctlTopicsRepeater_ctl03_hypUsername" class="i-type-bold" href="https://forum.unlock.org.uk/UserInfo5251.aspx" style="font-weight: 600; text-decoration: underline; color: rgb(49, 97, 185); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal;"&gt;Evan Davis&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;"the legal position remains unclear" - no surprise there then :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;All the best !&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;</description><pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2025 17:17:37 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>CB Root</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Applicability of SOR &amp; SHPO while abroad</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35584.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="35583" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1754310854138"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35583" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35583" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35583" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;Evan Davis - 4 Aug 25 10:38 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35583"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;The CPS seem to suggest that they have no jurisdiction to prosecute a Breach of SHPO, if such a breach occurs outside of the UK:&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/rape-and-sexual-offences-annex-b-statutory-limitations-prosecution-offences"&gt;Rape and Sexual Offences - Annex B: Statutory Limitations on prosecution of offences committed abroad - Table of Legislation | The Crown Prosecution Service&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My previous understanding was that terms of SOPO/SHPO's specifically could not be enforced outside of the UK - nothing I have read on this topic seems to change that, however, the legal position remains unclear, and to my knowledge, untested.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35583"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I agree. That is what I&amp;nbsp; have been told during my first home visit</description><pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2025 13:35:03 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>JGUK68</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Applicability of SOR &amp; SHPO while abroad</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35583.aspx</link><description>The CPS seem to suggest that they have no jurisdiction to prosecute a Breach of SHPO, if such a breach occurs outside of the UK:&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/rape-and-sexual-offences-annex-b-statutory-limitations-prosecution-offences"&gt;Rape and Sexual Offences - Annex B: Statutory Limitations on prosecution of offences committed abroad - Table of Legislation | The Crown Prosecution Service&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My previous understanding was that terms of SOPO/SHPO's specifically could not be enforced outside of the UK - nothing I have read on this topic seems to change that, however, the legal position remains unclear, and to my knowledge, untested.</description><pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2025 10:38:14 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>Evan Davis</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Applicability of SOR &amp; SHPO while abroad</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35582.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="35581" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1754158880133"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35581" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 2 Aug 25 6:22 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35581"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;Wasn't too sure where to post this, hopefully here is OK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm looking forward (with crossed fingers) to heading off on holiday once I'm off licence next year.&amp;nbsp; I have indefinite SOR and SHPO so need to pay careful attention to the rules.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have made myself familiar with the travel notification process and this seems quite straightforward.&amp;nbsp; I understand that I have to notify my travel details at least 7 days in advance, and if any of these should change while I'm away e.g. canceled flight, I have to notifiy again within 3 days of my return to the UK.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However I can't find a definitive statement on &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;the extent to which the SOR and/or SHPO requirements apply abroad.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For example, if I access the internet from the UK using my own devices no notification is required, but if I were to use the wifi at e.g. Birmingham New St, I would have to notifiy within 3 days of doing so.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;With one eye on the cost of mobile data overseas, I want to know whether I am still subject to the reporting requirements if I use the wifi in a Spanish bar... if so, I will have to carry a notebook and pen around with me to keep track !!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm sure I read somewhere that SOR and SHPO requirements do not apply while out of the UK, but for all my googling I can't find hard and firm info.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Any help much appreciated :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35581"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you connect with your device to any wi fi that's OK, it's using another device for example a pc in a Internet cafe. I'd comply with all sor and SHPO requirements wherever you are. Depending on the police safeguarding assessment of you, foreign police may be notified anyway, and worse case you'll be refused entry to the country.&amp;nbsp;</description><pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2025 19:24:32 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>Paul Jan</dc:creator></item></channel></rss>