﻿<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"><channel><title>theForum » Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974 (ROA) » Finding out when your convictions become spent  » Getting a SHPO ended early</title><generator>InstantForum 2016-2 Final</generator><description>theForum</description><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/</link><webMaster>theForum</webMaster><lastBuildDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2026 21:00:31 GMT</lastBuildDate><ttl>20</ttl><item><title>Getting a SHPO ended early</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35635.aspx</link><description>I'm a year into a 10 year SHPO (sentence of 16 months) , so earliest my conviction could be spent is another 4 years, if I can get the SHPO ended early then.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On the basis it's never too early to start planning, it would be good to hear from others who tried this.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My reasons (in no particular order) :&lt;br/&gt;1. Would enable me and my wife to fully move on&lt;br/&gt;2. While the conditions not onerous, they are (in my opinion) unnecessary&lt;br/&gt;3. It makes all insurance costs (the car, house etc..) a lot more giving some financial hardship&lt;br/&gt;4. It may restrict my ability to get an EU visa, disappointing my wife who wishes we can travel more&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Any information, experiences, suggestions will be very welcome.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Paul&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;</description><pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2026 11:48:48 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>Paul Jan</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Getting a SHPO ended early</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost36247.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="36233" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1783074384955"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="36233" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="36233" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="36233" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;Paul Jan - 29 Jun 26 4:57 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-36233"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="36233" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1783074384955" style="position: relative; width: 1173.44px; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 2px; border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(221, 221, 221) rgb(221, 221, 221) rgb(221, 221, 221) rgb(79, 165, 241); border-image: initial; background: rgb(248, 248, 248); color: rgb(102, 102, 102); margin: 0px; font-family: arial, tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-36233" style="display: inline-block; width: 1173.44px;"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin" style="margin: 12px;"&gt;For me the sor is only a bureaucratic mild inconvenience, I hope to end my SHPO after 5 years so my sentences becomes spent.&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="https://forum.unlock.org.uk/Topic35635.aspx?PageIndex=3#" data-id="36233"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, tahoma; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; font-size: 13.3333px; float: none; display: inline !important;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;I have come to the same conclusion and I'm&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, tahoma; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; font-size: 13.3333px; float: none; display: inline !important;"&gt;indefinite&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;RSO + SHPO.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;"&gt;Travel has proved to be entirely trouble-free, I've entered Turkey, France, Romania, Ireland and back into UK more than once with no discernible friction at the border, and stayed at multiple UK hotels.&amp;nbsp; All under my real name.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;"&gt;Visits from PPU (ever 6 months or so) have been low-key with my local force taking a pragmatic view - "As long as it's legal, it's OK with us."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;"&gt;Home insurance could have been a pain but then I looked around my (rented) flat and there's really nothing of value if it had to be replaced so I've one not bothered.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;"&gt;Work could have been the biggest one so I thank my lucky stars that I was convicted late enough in life that I was able to draw on my private pensions which cover my outgoings 3:2&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;"&gt;I would accept that I've been lucky but it does show it's possible to have an OK life post-licence...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2026 11:48:48 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>CB Root</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Getting a SHPO ended early</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost36243.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="36242" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1783050251545"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="36242" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="36242" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="36242" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;Richie - 2 Jul 26 11:59 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-36242"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="36233" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1783050251545"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="36233" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="36233" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="36233" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;Paul Jan - 29 Jun 26 4:57 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-36233"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;For me the sor is only a bureaucratic mild inconvenience, I hope to end my SHPO after 5 years so my sentences becomes spent.&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="36233"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Make sure there is absolutely nothing that they can criticise you on in court, however minor you think this maybe and even if they have told you it is acceptable previously.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My SHPO discharge request was refused by the judge due to some porn visits being found on my phone. I have been repeatedly told before and after my SHPO discharge that I am allowed to view porn but as soon as it was mentioned in court the case started to turn against me.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have decided to live with the SHPO now, I was sure that getting it discharged and my conviction spent would give me more opportunities. However I think it being refused has made me work harder to get where I want in life, in the 7 months since the discharge was refused I have achieved so much achieving things I thought I could only do it my conviction was spent.&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="36242"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&amp;nbsp;My SHPO was close to being refused on my first day, but my barrister managed to convince her to allow me to give more evidence, which in turn allowed the barrister to get a new judge.</description><pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2026 04:45:28 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>xDanx</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Getting a SHPO ended early</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost36242.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="36233" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1783032510585"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="36233" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="36233" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="36233" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;Paul Jan - 29 Jun 26 4:57 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-36233"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;For me the sor is only a bureaucratic mild inconvenience, I hope to end my SHPO after 5 years so my sentences becomes spent.&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="36233"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Make sure there is absolutely nothing that they can criticise you on in court, however minor you think this maybe and even if they have told you it is acceptable previously.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My SHPO discharge request was refused by the judge due to some porn visits being found on my phone. I have been repeatedly told before and after my SHPO discharge that I am allowed to view porn but as soon as it was mentioned in court the case started to turn against me.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have decided to live with the SHPO now, I was sure that getting it discharged and my conviction spent would give me more opportunities. However I think it being refused has made me work harder to get where I want in life, in the 7 months since the discharge was refused I have achieved so much achieving things I thought I could only do it my conviction was spent.&amp;nbsp;</description><pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2026 23:59:28 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>Richie</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Getting a SHPO ended early</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost36233.aspx</link><description>For me the sor is only a bureaucratic mild inconvenience, I hope to end my SHPO after 5 years so my sentences becomes spent.&amp;nbsp;</description><pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2026 16:57:54 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>Paul Jan</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Getting a SHPO ended early</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost36232.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="36215" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1782736799902"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="36215" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="36215" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="36215" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;AB2014 - 23 Jun 26 11:45 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-36215"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="36214" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1782736799902"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="36214" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="36214" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="36214" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;punter99 - 23 Jun 26 10:16 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-36214"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;Time on the SOR starts from the date you plead guilty at the magistrates, but the SHPO usually starts on the day of sentencing. Those two days could be the same if you are sentenced by magistrates on the same day you plead guilty. But since most go to the Crown court for sentencing, there is commonly a delay of a month or more.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On the question of whether to hire a solicitor,it is not necessary, but probably does help when it comes to presenting your arguments in the right way. On the other hand, a judge may give you some credit for doing it all yourself.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="36214"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The time on the SOR starts from the date of conviction, but specifically excludes any time spent in custody and time spent abroad. It's all &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/88B"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, with "relevant date" defined &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/98"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="36215"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi&lt;br/&gt;As most who have read my posts will know I have been challenging when the clock for the SOR discharge starts.&lt;br/&gt;First it does start from when you&lt;strong&gt; first register at a Police station&lt;/strong&gt;, normally within 3 days of being convicted. This would start the clock for when you can apply to come off if applicable&lt;br/&gt;If an individual is sentenced and they go inside on the same day they are convicted; they will have to register - at a Police station - within 3 days of being released and so the clock starts.&lt;br/&gt;If as in my case, they are convicted but not sentenced for circa 11 months, I signed on at the local Police Station within 3 days of the date I was convicted ie pleaded guilty. When I was sentenced and went inside, the "clock" paused until the day I was released, and then started again.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My case I suspect is unusual and I spent many years discussing this subject with my many OMs.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;If you check the Guidance on Part 2 of the sex offenders act you will see plenty of info on what is called "the Relevant date".&lt;br/&gt;There are a couple of good examples under that heading that do clarify common questions.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If I can help further in how I removed my SOPO early see some of my old posts or ask.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Best bit advice though is do not focus on the end date but what you are doing now to gain the trust of all and any, and so make it an easier discharge decision.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;</description><pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2026 14:22:17 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>JASB</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Getting a SHPO ended early</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost36215.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="36214" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1782211210207"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="36214" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="36214" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="36214" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;punter99 - 23 Jun 26 10:16 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-36214"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;Time on the SOR starts from the date you plead guilty at the magistrates, but the SHPO usually starts on the day of sentencing. Those two days could be the same if you are sentenced by magistrates on the same day you plead guilty. But since most go to the Crown court for sentencing, there is commonly a delay of a month or more.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On the question of whether to hire a solicitor,it is not necessary, but probably does help when it comes to presenting your arguments in the right way. On the other hand, a judge may give you some credit for doing it all yourself.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="36214"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The time on the SOR starts from the date of conviction, but specifically excludes any time spent in custody and time spent abroad. It's all &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/88B"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, with "relevant date" defined &lt;a href="https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/98"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description><pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2026 11:45:54 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>AB2014</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Getting a SHPO ended early</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost36214.aspx</link><description>Time on the SOR starts from the date you plead guilty at the magistrates, but the SHPO usually starts on the day of sentencing. Those two days could be the same if you are sentenced by magistrates on the same day you plead guilty. But since most go to the Crown court for sentencing, there is commonly a delay of a month or more.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On the question of whether to hire a solicitor,it is not necessary, but probably does help when it comes to presenting your arguments in the right way. On the other hand, a judge may give you some credit for doing it all yourself.</description><pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2026 10:16:23 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>punter99</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Getting a SHPO ended early</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost36212.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="36208" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1782153598682"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="36208" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="36208" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="36208" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;ChrisS - 22 Jun 26 10:45 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-36208"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35644" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1782153598682"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35644" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35644" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35644" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;punter99 - 29 Sep 25 10:00 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35644"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;Time on the SOR starts from day you plead guilty, but SHPO usually only starts on day of sentencing. Where there is a long gap between the two, it should really be backdated, although I dont think SHPOs can be backdated, in which case it would be 5 years from date of sentencing. The SHPO therefore extends the time on the SOR and time until the conviction is spent, which would then be the same as the end date of the SHPO.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35644"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sorry to hijack this thread, but didn't want to start a new one on the same subject.&amp;nbsp; I am a little confused about a couple of things and was wondering if they could be clarified.&lt;br/&gt;Discharging an SHPO, can be done at any time, but is more straightforward after 5 years, if I have read things correctly, as you don't need to involve the Chief of Police.&amp;nbsp; This 5 year period starts from the date of sentencing, when the SHPO is applied.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Getting removed from the SOR, which begins on the date of pleading guilty, can be done after 15 years, if you are on it indefinitely, but there are periods of time when this "clock isn't running", such as time spent abroad or in custody?&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="36208"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I had mine discharged in 2024 while I was 7 years into my 10 year SHPO, I applied at the end of 2022 but resent my application a few months later which was when I was told my initial application was not received. Likely because of the Christmas holidays&lt;br/&gt;The judge agreed that the SHPO was disproportionate and was the cause effecting my ability to change my circumstances (finding work and training)&lt;br/&gt;I actually thought things would be better once the SHPO had been discharged, in some areas yes but over all on the job front, remains the same. But this is just down to my experience, the time gap in my work history I think is effecting my success in finding work.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When I was brought before the magistrates and advised to plead guilty, I likely should have been given a SHPO from that point forward. But it never happened, I have read a few posts on the forums where some have stated as soon as they plead guilty, a SHPO was handed to them. I wasn't given a SHPO until Oct when I was sentenced.&lt;br/&gt;SHPOs should be dated when given anyway, so what ever the date is on yours will be date it started from. If you are unsure though, instead of pursuing a discharge on the 5 year mark, try on the 6th year</description><pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2026 20:10:28 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>xDanx</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Getting a SHPO ended early</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost36211.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="36208" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1782137924652"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="36208" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="36208" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="36208" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;ChrisS - 22 Jun 26 10:45 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-36208"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35644" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1782137924652"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35644" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35644" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35644" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;punter99 - 29 Sep 25 10:00 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35644"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;Time on the SOR starts from day you plead guilty, but SHPO usually only starts on day of sentencing. Where there is a long gap between the two, it should really be backdated, although I dont think SHPOs can be backdated, in which case it would be 5 years from date of sentencing. The SHPO therefore extends the time on the SOR and time until the conviction is spent, which would then be the same as the end date of the SHPO.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35644"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sorry to hijack this thread, but didn't want to start a new one on the same subject.&amp;nbsp; I am a little confused about a couple of things and was wondering if they could be clarified.&lt;br/&gt;Discharging an SHPO, can be done at any time, but is more straightforward after 5 years, if I have read things correctly, as you don't need to involve the Chief of Police.&amp;nbsp; This 5 year period starts from the date of sentencing, when the SHPO is applied.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Getting removed from the SOR, which begins on the date of pleading guilty, can be done after 15 years, if you are on it indefinitely, but there are periods of time when this "clock isn't running", such as time spent abroad or in custody?&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="36208"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It is only possible to apply to discharge a SHPO with the permission of the police in the first five years. I've never heard of such approval being given. After five years, somebody does not need permission to apply. This five years is from the 'operational date' of the SHPO - so will be the date the order was issued - usually the date of sentencing.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Individuals can apply for the early ending of the indefinite notification requirement. Such an application can only be made 15 years after the first 'qualifying notification', or 8 years if the individual was under 18 when they became subject to the notification requirements. The clock doesn't tick for any time you spend in custody serving a sentence for the offence which gave rise to the notification requirement. This means that, in effect, if somebody does go on to receive a custodial sentence for the offence having spent time on bail and 'signing on', that time prior to their imprisonment is discounted and the period starts from the first notification an individual makes after release. The guidance (&lt;a href="https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/98378/review-notification-requirements.pdf"&gt;GUIDANCE ON REVIEW OF INDEFINITE NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS ISSUED UNDER SECTION 91F OF THE SEXUAL OFFENCES ACT 2003 V3&lt;/a&gt;) does not mention explicitly that time spent abroad should be disregarded, but I have heard anecdotally that some police forces seem to take this position.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;</description><pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2026 15:27:20 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>Evan Davis</dc:creator></item><item><title /><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost36210.aspx</link><description>Also, if anyone has had success with either getting an SHPO discharged or being removed from the SOR, I guess it would be recommended to employ a good solicitor who has extensive experience of dealing with these issues, subject to being able to afford them, can anyone recommend anyone?</description><pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2026 15:18:10 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>ChrisS</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Getting a SHPO ended early</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost36209.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="36208" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1782136493062"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="36208" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="36208" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="36208" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;ChrisS - 22 Jun 26 10:45 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-36208"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;Getting removed from the SOR, which begins on the date of pleading guilty&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'd love some official clarification on this because that was not my experience. Of course it's all academic now as I'm off the register and everything but I spent an "additional" 4-5 months on the register as I was informed it wasn't from when I pleaded guilty but from when I was sentenced which happened a few months after my guilty plea in court.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I never had an SHPO/SOPO and I am in Scotland so that might change things. But I remember being excited for the end date coming up only to be informed by my PPU that it isn't correct.</description><pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2026 14:57:20 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>khafka</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Getting a SHPO ended early</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost36208.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="35644" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1782121391762"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35644" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35644" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35644" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;punter99 - 29 Sep 25 10:00 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35644"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;Time on the SOR starts from day you plead guilty, but SHPO usually only starts on day of sentencing. Where there is a long gap between the two, it should really be backdated, although I dont think SHPOs can be backdated, in which case it would be 5 years from date of sentencing. The SHPO therefore extends the time on the SOR and time until the conviction is spent, which would then be the same as the end date of the SHPO.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35644"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sorry to hijack this thread, but didn't want to start a new one on the same subject.&amp;nbsp; I am a little confused about a couple of things and was wondering if they could be clarified.&lt;br/&gt;Discharging an SHPO, can be done at any time, but is more straightforward after 5 years, if I have read things correctly, as you don't need to involve the Chief of Police.&amp;nbsp; This 5 year period starts from the date of sentencing, when the SHPO is applied.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Getting removed from the SOR, which begins on the date of pleading guilty, can be done after 15 years, if you are on it indefinitely, but there are periods of time when this "clock isn't running", such as time spent abroad or in custody?</description><pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2026 10:45:50 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>ChrisS</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Getting a SHPO ended early</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35654.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="35650" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1759392624993"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35650" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35650" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35650" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;CB Root - 30 Sep 25 4:08 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35650"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35649" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1759392624993"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35649" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35649" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35649" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;AB2014 - 30 Sep 25 9:53 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35649"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35647" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1759392624993"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35647" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35647" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35647" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;xDanx - 29 Sep 25 8:21 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35647"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35646" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1759392624993"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35646" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35646" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35646" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;Paul Jan - 29 Sep 25 5:04 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35646"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35645" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1759392624993"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35645" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35645" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35645" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;Evan Davis - 29 Sep 25 10:01 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35645"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;Hi All&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This seemed like a good place to answer some questions and to put some further information RE Sexual Harm Prevention Order variations/discharges for others:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Variation/Discharge&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You can apply for a variation of a SHPO at any time (as can the Police).&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;A SHPO can only contain prohibitions (or positive requirements) that are "necessary in order to protect the public from sexual harm" or that "protect children or vulnerable adults generally, or any particular children or vulnerable adults, from sexual harm from the offender outside the UK".&lt;br/&gt;The Court &lt;strong&gt;cannot &lt;/strong&gt;discharge a SHPO in its entirety within the first 5 years, without the consent of the person&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;and &lt;/strong&gt;the Chief Police officer. The court can still vary (add + remove conditions, change the length of the order etc) within this 5 year period and does not need the consent of the Chief Police officer.&lt;br/&gt;If sentenced to a SHPO in a Crown Court, it is that Crown Court to which an application for variation/discharge must be made.&lt;br/&gt;If sentenced to a SHPO in a Magistrates/Youth Court, an application should be made to the closest Magistrates Court to where the person currently resides.&lt;br/&gt;There is no proscribed application form. If unrepresented, simply send an email to the court listings office, setting out in full the grounds you rely upon. A date will be listed in due course.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Some matters are dealt with "administratively". This is generally where the Police do not object to the variation/discharge being sought, and oftentimes, the Court will write back to an individual letting them know the Judge has amended/discharged the order in X terms.&lt;br/&gt;If there is any disagreement with the Police, or the Court wishes to enquire further into something mentioned within the Application, generally the matter will be listed for an open court hearing.&lt;br/&gt;You will receive notice of the court hearing, which is a hearing open to the public. Generally, if matters progress to this and the Police are opposing an application, they will be represented by a barrister who acts for the Chief Police officer.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;This hearing is technically classed as a "civil" hearing, although takes place in the Crown Court. Oftentimes there can be "IT issues" at these sorts of hearings, as the DCS (Defence Case System, IT system used by Courts/Barristers) does not allow details of SHPO variation matters to be listed on there, as they are not a "criminal" matter. Therefore I advise taking paper copies of all documents even if you have digitally submitted them.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The route of appeal against a decision, or refusal, to vary or discharge a SHPO is to the Court of Appeal Criminal Division, despite the variation itself being considered a civil matter.&lt;br/&gt;The route is via S353 of the Sentencing Act 2020 which gives a right of appeal to the Court of Appeal (if variation took place at Crown Court), or appeal to the Crown Court if variation took place in Magistrates or Youth Court.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The "five-year period" (for purposes of determining whether the Chief Police officer needs to consent to a discharge) starts from the date the Court made the order. If you were subject to an Interim SHPO prior to sentencing, this &lt;strong&gt;does not&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp;count. Only when the "full" SHPO came into place does the five-year clock start, which generally will be the date of sentencing for most people.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Generally, there is no legal aid available for SHPO-related matters post-sentencing. The limited exception is that the original firm who represented you may be able to represent you under the terms of the original Legal Aid certificate - generally this would however only be possible within the first year post-sentence. Legal Aid is not available in any other circumstances and paying privately can be very expensive - this should not discourage you though as it's entirely possible to complete the application process yourself with just a bit of patience and research.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35645"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks, very helpful.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;What would be the best reasons to stand best chance to get the order ended? I fear the court will just look at the original hearing and conclude if it was 10 years then, why now change to 5?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anyway, I'll discover in due course.&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35646"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;"1. Would enable me and my wife to fully move on&lt;br/&gt;2. While the conditions not onerous, they are (in my opinion) unnecessary&lt;br/&gt;3. It makes all insurance costs (the car, house etc..) a lot more giving some financial hardship&lt;br/&gt;4. It may restrict my ability to get an EU visa, disappointing my wife who wishes we can travel more"&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;These are good reasons to want to have the SHPO ended, but you just need to back it up with evidence.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;1. You could argue the SHPO is limiting the things you and your wife can do together, although the SHPO is addressed to what you can not do, it is extending on to your wife as well.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2. As with the case law I provided, if you have restrictions which simply should not be there in the first place, then it needs to be addressed and corrected. : Example, if you have an image offence non contact. Then having contact restrictions in your SHPO is disproportionate, you could further argue that after living with the SHPO for the last 5 years under these conditions has infringed on your rights to family life. But you may have to prove it by detailing which family members you have who have children under 18 ect. You could even argue the fact you were given a contact restriction with under 18's in stead of the default under 16's. Being given a restriction of 18's should only apply to those who have offended while in a position of trust.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;3. Insurances and the extra you have to pay could be your best reason, for having an unspent conviction and being forced to disclose it. You could provide evidence how much insurance you have paid over the 5 year period compared to someone else who pays less while not having a conviction ect, if there is or has been any hardships, financial sacrifices made that would have actually benefited to a change in your circumstances could be used as evidence.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;4. Even without a SHPO, I believe when it comes to travel. You are still bound by the Notification Requirements, even if your discharge was successful, you will still be on the register for the full sentence given. If there are any restrictions relating to travel with in the SHPO then technically it should be removed, because it interferes with the Notification Requirements. As I do not travel, this is not something I can really provide further opinions on.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If the SHPO is currently not hindering you that much, complying with the police during their visits may very well help with them determining what risk you pose. If you are already considered a low risk to them, then after 5 years they might even consider or suggest having your SHPO discharged early. It is rare but there are still some good officers out there who do not simply have a guilty till proven innocent approach. Challenge them, ask questions but only answer questions you are required to answer.&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35647"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When you're thinking of which points to stress in your application, your convenience won't be of interest to the court, but your wife's might be. Also, whether or not you think the conditions are unnecessary is also not of interest to the court. The court's decision should be made on the basis of the evidence you present to show that the order is no longer necessary for public protection.Unlock has information and advice &lt;a href="https://unlock.org.uk/advice/applying-court-end-court-order/"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; about applying to discharge a court order. You can show when you apply that you have been compliant, but the police might well argue that you were compliant because of the SHPO, and that if it hadn't been there, your behaviour would have been different. In any case, most conditions seem to be standard conditions that are given to everyone, so it would all come down their policy and their risk assessments. You can make the point about insurance costs, but they apply to everyone with an unspent conviction, so whether you can make the argument successfully might depend on what sentence you were given. As you were given sixteen months, your conviction would otherwise become spent four years after the end of the sentence, which would be after five and a quarter years.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Once you get to the five-year point, it's time to think tactically, as I'm guessing the earlier you apply, the likelier it is that the police will object. If they make serious objections rather than routine objections, most courts would probably go by what the police say. The closer you get to ten years, the more likely it is that the court will grant your application, until you reach the point that it might not be worth it as the ten years are nearly up. It might also depend on your relationship with your police contact and local policy, as although they wouldn't be involved in the decision-making process, their reports on you will be taken into consideration.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For travel to the EU, for an ETIAS you would be asked if you have any relevant convictions in the previous fifteen years, from a list of twenty-nine offence categories. They have no way of checking what you say, but if you are on the SOR, there is a chance that the police will notify the destination country once you notify travel arrangements, depending on your risk level. That's the risk level they assign to you, not the fact that you aren't going to offend again. Ironically, if you apply for a Schengen visa, you aren't asked to disclose, so the disclosure part seems to be for residence in a particular country. You could try applying for a Schengen visa, and if anyone asks why you're applying, you can say that you're thinking of travelling in the Schengen zone for longer than ETIAS allows. You can then show that visa to the police if you want, as that might sway them if they have any doubts.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35649"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sorry, I don't get the last paragraph.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As far as my&amp;nbsp;understanding goes:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;* A "Schengen visa" currently allows citizens of "third countries" to enter the Schengen Area and&amp;nbsp;&lt;span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;"&gt;spend up to 90 total days there over&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;a 180-day period.&amp;nbsp; Some countries (the UK being one) are subject to this visa regime BUT have a waiver in place which means their citizens can just roll up to the border and present themselves for entry with nothing more than a valid passport.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;* From October 2026, everything changes.&amp;nbsp; ETIAS will be a pre-approval scheme which applies in both the cases above (and others).&amp;nbsp; It is &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;on top of&lt;/span&gt; the requirement to have a visa (or relevant waiver) and I don;t think you can simply "apply for a Schengen visa" to get round it.&amp;nbsp; Once ETIAS goes live, the broad visa waiver for UK citizens no longer applies and instead each individual will have to successfully go through the ETIAS process to have the waiver granted again (and only for 3 years !).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sorry if I've missed the point - always happy to be corrected if so :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35650"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a href="https://unlock.org.uk/advice/travelling-to-the-eu-etias/"&gt;ETIAS&lt;/a&gt; is not a visa. It is a travel authorisation for visa-free travellers, just like an ETA for travel to the UK from countries whose nationals don't automatically need a visa. If you disclose a criminal record when you apply for a travel authorisation to many countries, they will usually reject your application and invite you to apply for a visa. If you have a visa, you don't need to apply for a travel authorisation (ETIAS in this case).</description><pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2025 09:15:51 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>AB2014</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Getting a SHPO ended early</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35650.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="35649" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1759243127607"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35649" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35649" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35649" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;AB2014 - 30 Sep 25 9:53 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35649"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35647" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1759243127607"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35647" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35647" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35647" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;xDanx - 29 Sep 25 8:21 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35647"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35646" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1759243127607"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35646" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35646" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35646" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;Paul Jan - 29 Sep 25 5:04 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35646"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35645" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1759243127607"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35645" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35645" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35645" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;Evan Davis - 29 Sep 25 10:01 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35645"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;Hi All&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This seemed like a good place to answer some questions and to put some further information RE Sexual Harm Prevention Order variations/discharges for others:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Variation/Discharge&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You can apply for a variation of a SHPO at any time (as can the Police).&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;A SHPO can only contain prohibitions (or positive requirements) that are "necessary in order to protect the public from sexual harm" or that "protect children or vulnerable adults generally, or any particular children or vulnerable adults, from sexual harm from the offender outside the UK".&lt;br/&gt;The Court &lt;strong&gt;cannot &lt;/strong&gt;discharge a SHPO in its entirety within the first 5 years, without the consent of the person&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;and &lt;/strong&gt;the Chief Police officer. The court can still vary (add + remove conditions, change the length of the order etc) within this 5 year period and does not need the consent of the Chief Police officer.&lt;br/&gt;If sentenced to a SHPO in a Crown Court, it is that Crown Court to which an application for variation/discharge must be made.&lt;br/&gt;If sentenced to a SHPO in a Magistrates/Youth Court, an application should be made to the closest Magistrates Court to where the person currently resides.&lt;br/&gt;There is no proscribed application form. If unrepresented, simply send an email to the court listings office, setting out in full the grounds you rely upon. A date will be listed in due course.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Some matters are dealt with "administratively". This is generally where the Police do not object to the variation/discharge being sought, and oftentimes, the Court will write back to an individual letting them know the Judge has amended/discharged the order in X terms.&lt;br/&gt;If there is any disagreement with the Police, or the Court wishes to enquire further into something mentioned within the Application, generally the matter will be listed for an open court hearing.&lt;br/&gt;You will receive notice of the court hearing, which is a hearing open to the public. Generally, if matters progress to this and the Police are opposing an application, they will be represented by a barrister who acts for the Chief Police officer.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;This hearing is technically classed as a "civil" hearing, although takes place in the Crown Court. Oftentimes there can be "IT issues" at these sorts of hearings, as the DCS (Defence Case System, IT system used by Courts/Barristers) does not allow details of SHPO variation matters to be listed on there, as they are not a "criminal" matter. Therefore I advise taking paper copies of all documents even if you have digitally submitted them.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The route of appeal against a decision, or refusal, to vary or discharge a SHPO is to the Court of Appeal Criminal Division, despite the variation itself being considered a civil matter.&lt;br/&gt;The route is via S353 of the Sentencing Act 2020 which gives a right of appeal to the Court of Appeal (if variation took place at Crown Court), or appeal to the Crown Court if variation took place in Magistrates or Youth Court.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The "five-year period" (for purposes of determining whether the Chief Police officer needs to consent to a discharge) starts from the date the Court made the order. If you were subject to an Interim SHPO prior to sentencing, this &lt;strong&gt;does not&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp;count. Only when the "full" SHPO came into place does the five-year clock start, which generally will be the date of sentencing for most people.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Generally, there is no legal aid available for SHPO-related matters post-sentencing. The limited exception is that the original firm who represented you may be able to represent you under the terms of the original Legal Aid certificate - generally this would however only be possible within the first year post-sentence. Legal Aid is not available in any other circumstances and paying privately can be very expensive - this should not discourage you though as it's entirely possible to complete the application process yourself with just a bit of patience and research.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35645"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks, very helpful.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;What would be the best reasons to stand best chance to get the order ended? I fear the court will just look at the original hearing and conclude if it was 10 years then, why now change to 5?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anyway, I'll discover in due course.&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35646"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;"1. Would enable me and my wife to fully move on&lt;br/&gt;2. While the conditions not onerous, they are (in my opinion) unnecessary&lt;br/&gt;3. It makes all insurance costs (the car, house etc..) a lot more giving some financial hardship&lt;br/&gt;4. It may restrict my ability to get an EU visa, disappointing my wife who wishes we can travel more"&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;These are good reasons to want to have the SHPO ended, but you just need to back it up with evidence.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;1. You could argue the SHPO is limiting the things you and your wife can do together, although the SHPO is addressed to what you can not do, it is extending on to your wife as well.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2. As with the case law I provided, if you have restrictions which simply should not be there in the first place, then it needs to be addressed and corrected. : Example, if you have an image offence non contact. Then having contact restrictions in your SHPO is disproportionate, you could further argue that after living with the SHPO for the last 5 years under these conditions has infringed on your rights to family life. But you may have to prove it by detailing which family members you have who have children under 18 ect. You could even argue the fact you were given a contact restriction with under 18's in stead of the default under 16's. Being given a restriction of 18's should only apply to those who have offended while in a position of trust.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;3. Insurances and the extra you have to pay could be your best reason, for having an unspent conviction and being forced to disclose it. You could provide evidence how much insurance you have paid over the 5 year period compared to someone else who pays less while not having a conviction ect, if there is or has been any hardships, financial sacrifices made that would have actually benefited to a change in your circumstances could be used as evidence.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;4. Even without a SHPO, I believe when it comes to travel. You are still bound by the Notification Requirements, even if your discharge was successful, you will still be on the register for the full sentence given. If there are any restrictions relating to travel with in the SHPO then technically it should be removed, because it interferes with the Notification Requirements. As I do not travel, this is not something I can really provide further opinions on.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If the SHPO is currently not hindering you that much, complying with the police during their visits may very well help with them determining what risk you pose. If you are already considered a low risk to them, then after 5 years they might even consider or suggest having your SHPO discharged early. It is rare but there are still some good officers out there who do not simply have a guilty till proven innocent approach. Challenge them, ask questions but only answer questions you are required to answer.&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35647"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When you're thinking of which points to stress in your application, your convenience won't be of interest to the court, but your wife's might be. Also, whether or not you think the conditions are unnecessary is also not of interest to the court. The court's decision should be made on the basis of the evidence you present to show that the order is no longer necessary for public protection.Unlock has information and advice &lt;a href="https://unlock.org.uk/advice/applying-court-end-court-order/"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; about applying to discharge a court order. You can show when you apply that you have been compliant, but the police might well argue that you were compliant because of the SHPO, and that if it hadn't been there, your behaviour would have been different. In any case, most conditions seem to be standard conditions that are given to everyone, so it would all come down their policy and their risk assessments. You can make the point about insurance costs, but they apply to everyone with an unspent conviction, so whether you can make the argument successfully might depend on what sentence you were given. As you were given sixteen months, your conviction would otherwise become spent four years after the end of the sentence, which would be after five and a quarter years.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Once you get to the five-year point, it's time to think tactically, as I'm guessing the earlier you apply, the likelier it is that the police will object. If they make serious objections rather than routine objections, most courts would probably go by what the police say. The closer you get to ten years, the more likely it is that the court will grant your application, until you reach the point that it might not be worth it as the ten years are nearly up. It might also depend on your relationship with your police contact and local policy, as although they wouldn't be involved in the decision-making process, their reports on you will be taken into consideration.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For travel to the EU, for an ETIAS you would be asked if you have any relevant convictions in the previous fifteen years, from a list of twenty-nine offence categories. They have no way of checking what you say, but if you are on the SOR, there is a chance that the police will notify the destination country once you notify travel arrangements, depending on your risk level. That's the risk level they assign to you, not the fact that you aren't going to offend again. Ironically, if you apply for a Schengen visa, you aren't asked to disclose, so the disclosure part seems to be for residence in a particular country. You could try applying for a Schengen visa, and if anyone asks why you're applying, you can say that you're thinking of travelling in the Schengen zone for longer than ETIAS allows. You can then show that visa to the police if you want, as that might sway them if they have any doubts.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35649"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sorry, I don't get the last paragraph.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As far as my&amp;nbsp;understanding goes:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;* A "Schengen visa" currently allows citizens of "third countries" to enter the Schengen Area and&amp;nbsp;&lt;span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;"&gt;spend up to 90 total days there over&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;a 180-day period.&amp;nbsp; Some countries (the UK being one) are subject to this visa regime BUT have a waiver in place which means their citizens can just roll up to the border and present themselves for entry with nothing more than a valid passport.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;* From October 2026, everything changes.&amp;nbsp; ETIAS will be a pre-approval scheme which applies in both the cases above (and others).&amp;nbsp; It is &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;on top of&lt;/span&gt; the requirement to have a visa (or relevant waiver) and I don;t think you can simply "apply for a Schengen visa" to get round it.&amp;nbsp; Once ETIAS goes live, the broad visa waiver for UK citizens no longer applies and instead each individual will have to successfully go through the ETIAS process to have the waiver granted again (and only for 3 years !).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sorry if I've missed the point - always happy to be corrected if so :)&lt;br/&gt;</description><pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2025 16:08:36 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>CB Root</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Getting a SHPO ended early</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35649.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="35647" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1759220778014"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35647" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35647" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35647" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;xDanx - 29 Sep 25 8:21 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35647"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35646" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1759220778014"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35646" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35646" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35646" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;Paul Jan - 29 Sep 25 5:04 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35646"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35645" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1759220778014"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35645" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35645" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35645" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;Evan Davis - 29 Sep 25 10:01 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35645"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;Hi All&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This seemed like a good place to answer some questions and to put some further information RE Sexual Harm Prevention Order variations/discharges for others:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Variation/Discharge&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You can apply for a variation of a SHPO at any time (as can the Police).&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;A SHPO can only contain prohibitions (or positive requirements) that are "necessary in order to protect the public from sexual harm" or that "protect children or vulnerable adults generally, or any particular children or vulnerable adults, from sexual harm from the offender outside the UK".&lt;br/&gt;The Court &lt;strong&gt;cannot &lt;/strong&gt;discharge a SHPO in its entirety within the first 5 years, without the consent of the person&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;and &lt;/strong&gt;the Chief Police officer. The court can still vary (add + remove conditions, change the length of the order etc) within this 5 year period and does not need the consent of the Chief Police officer.&lt;br/&gt;If sentenced to a SHPO in a Crown Court, it is that Crown Court to which an application for variation/discharge must be made.&lt;br/&gt;If sentenced to a SHPO in a Magistrates/Youth Court, an application should be made to the closest Magistrates Court to where the person currently resides.&lt;br/&gt;There is no proscribed application form. If unrepresented, simply send an email to the court listings office, setting out in full the grounds you rely upon. A date will be listed in due course.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Some matters are dealt with "administratively". This is generally where the Police do not object to the variation/discharge being sought, and oftentimes, the Court will write back to an individual letting them know the Judge has amended/discharged the order in X terms.&lt;br/&gt;If there is any disagreement with the Police, or the Court wishes to enquire further into something mentioned within the Application, generally the matter will be listed for an open court hearing.&lt;br/&gt;You will receive notice of the court hearing, which is a hearing open to the public. Generally, if matters progress to this and the Police are opposing an application, they will be represented by a barrister who acts for the Chief Police officer.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;This hearing is technically classed as a "civil" hearing, although takes place in the Crown Court. Oftentimes there can be "IT issues" at these sorts of hearings, as the DCS (Defence Case System, IT system used by Courts/Barristers) does not allow details of SHPO variation matters to be listed on there, as they are not a "criminal" matter. Therefore I advise taking paper copies of all documents even if you have digitally submitted them.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The route of appeal against a decision, or refusal, to vary or discharge a SHPO is to the Court of Appeal Criminal Division, despite the variation itself being considered a civil matter.&lt;br/&gt;The route is via S353 of the Sentencing Act 2020 which gives a right of appeal to the Court of Appeal (if variation took place at Crown Court), or appeal to the Crown Court if variation took place in Magistrates or Youth Court.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The "five-year period" (for purposes of determining whether the Chief Police officer needs to consent to a discharge) starts from the date the Court made the order. If you were subject to an Interim SHPO prior to sentencing, this &lt;strong&gt;does not&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp;count. Only when the "full" SHPO came into place does the five-year clock start, which generally will be the date of sentencing for most people.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Generally, there is no legal aid available for SHPO-related matters post-sentencing. The limited exception is that the original firm who represented you may be able to represent you under the terms of the original Legal Aid certificate - generally this would however only be possible within the first year post-sentence. Legal Aid is not available in any other circumstances and paying privately can be very expensive - this should not discourage you though as it's entirely possible to complete the application process yourself with just a bit of patience and research.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35645"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks, very helpful.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;What would be the best reasons to stand best chance to get the order ended? I fear the court will just look at the original hearing and conclude if it was 10 years then, why now change to 5?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anyway, I'll discover in due course.&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35646"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;"1. Would enable me and my wife to fully move on&lt;br/&gt;2. While the conditions not onerous, they are (in my opinion) unnecessary&lt;br/&gt;3. It makes all insurance costs (the car, house etc..) a lot more giving some financial hardship&lt;br/&gt;4. It may restrict my ability to get an EU visa, disappointing my wife who wishes we can travel more"&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;These are good reasons to want to have the SHPO ended, but you just need to back it up with evidence.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;1. You could argue the SHPO is limiting the things you and your wife can do together, although the SHPO is addressed to what you can not do, it is extending on to your wife as well.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2. As with the case law I provided, if you have restrictions which simply should not be there in the first place, then it needs to be addressed and corrected. : Example, if you have an image offence non contact. Then having contact restrictions in your SHPO is disproportionate, you could further argue that after living with the SHPO for the last 5 years under these conditions has infringed on your rights to family life. But you may have to prove it by detailing which family members you have who have children under 18 ect. You could even argue the fact you were given a contact restriction with under 18's in stead of the default under 16's. Being given a restriction of 18's should only apply to those who have offended while in a position of trust.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;3. Insurances and the extra you have to pay could be your best reason, for having an unspent conviction and being forced to disclose it. You could provide evidence how much insurance you have paid over the 5 year period compared to someone else who pays less while not having a conviction ect, if there is or has been any hardships, financial sacrifices made that would have actually benefited to a change in your circumstances could be used as evidence.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;4. Even without a SHPO, I believe when it comes to travel. You are still bound by the Notification Requirements, even if your discharge was successful, you will still be on the register for the full sentence given. If there are any restrictions relating to travel with in the SHPO then technically it should be removed, because it interferes with the Notification Requirements. As I do not travel, this is not something I can really provide further opinions on.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If the SHPO is currently not hindering you that much, complying with the police during their visits may very well help with them determining what risk you pose. If you are already considered a low risk to them, then after 5 years they might even consider or suggest having your SHPO discharged early. It is rare but there are still some good officers out there who do not simply have a guilty till proven innocent approach. Challenge them, ask questions but only answer questions you are required to answer.&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35647"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When you're thinking of which points to stress in your application, your convenience won't be of interest to the court, but your wife's might be. Also, whether or not you think the conditions are unnecessary is also not of interest to the court. The court's decision should be made on the basis of the evidence you present to show that the order is no longer necessary for public protection.Unlock has information and advice &lt;a href="https://unlock.org.uk/advice/applying-court-end-court-order/"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; about applying to discharge a court order. You can show when you apply that you have been compliant, but the police might well argue that you were compliant because of the SHPO, and that if it hadn't been there, your behaviour would have been different. In any case, most conditions seem to be standard conditions that are given to everyone, so it would all come down their policy and their risk assessments. You can make the point about insurance costs, but they apply to everyone with an unspent conviction, so whether you can make the argument successfully might depend on what sentence you were given. As you were given sixteen months, your conviction would otherwise become spent four years after the end of the sentence, which would be after five and a quarter years.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Once you get to the five-year point, it's time to think tactically, as I'm guessing the earlier you apply, the likelier it is that the police will object. If they make serious objections rather than routine objections, most courts would probably go by what the police say. The closer you get to ten years, the more likely it is that the court will grant your application, until you reach the point that it might not be worth it as the ten years are nearly up. It might also depend on your relationship with your police contact and local policy, as although they wouldn't be involved in the decision-making process, their reports on you will be taken into consideration.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For travel to the EU, for an ETIAS you would be asked if you have any relevant convictions in the previous fifteen years, from a list of twenty-nine offence categories. They have no way of checking what you say, but if you are on the SOR, there is a chance that the police will notify the destination country once you notify travel arrangements, depending on your risk level. That's the risk level they assign to you, not the fact that you aren't going to offend again. Ironically, if you apply for a Schengen visa, you aren't asked to disclose, so the disclosure part seems to be for residence in a particular country. You could try applying for a Schengen visa, and if anyone asks why you're applying, you can say that you're thinking of travelling in the Schengen zone for longer than ETIAS allows. You can then show that visa to the police if you want, as that might sway them if they have any doubts.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;</description><pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2025 09:53:40 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>AB2014</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Getting a SHPO ended early</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35647.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="35646" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1759170735975"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35646" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35646" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35646" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;Paul Jan - 29 Sep 25 5:04 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35646"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35645" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1759170735975"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35645" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35645" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35645" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;Evan Davis - 29 Sep 25 10:01 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35645"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;Hi All&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This seemed like a good place to answer some questions and to put some further information RE Sexual Harm Prevention Order variations/discharges for others:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Variation/Discharge&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You can apply for a variation of a SHPO at any time (as can the Police).&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;A SHPO can only contain prohibitions (or positive requirements) that are "necessary in order to protect the public from sexual harm" or that "protect children or vulnerable adults generally, or any particular children or vulnerable adults, from sexual harm from the offender outside the UK".&lt;br/&gt;The Court &lt;strong&gt;cannot &lt;/strong&gt;discharge a SHPO in its entirety within the first 5 years, without the consent of the person&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;and &lt;/strong&gt;the Chief Police officer. The court can still vary (add + remove conditions, change the length of the order etc) within this 5 year period and does not need the consent of the Chief Police officer.&lt;br/&gt;If sentenced to a SHPO in a Crown Court, it is that Crown Court to which an application for variation/discharge must be made.&lt;br/&gt;If sentenced to a SHPO in a Magistrates/Youth Court, an application should be made to the closest Magistrates Court to where the person currently resides.&lt;br/&gt;There is no proscribed application form. If unrepresented, simply send an email to the court listings office, setting out in full the grounds you rely upon. A date will be listed in due course.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Some matters are dealt with "administratively". This is generally where the Police do not object to the variation/discharge being sought, and oftentimes, the Court will write back to an individual letting them know the Judge has amended/discharged the order in X terms.&lt;br/&gt;If there is any disagreement with the Police, or the Court wishes to enquire further into something mentioned within the Application, generally the matter will be listed for an open court hearing.&lt;br/&gt;You will receive notice of the court hearing, which is a hearing open to the public. Generally, if matters progress to this and the Police are opposing an application, they will be represented by a barrister who acts for the Chief Police officer.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;This hearing is technically classed as a "civil" hearing, although takes place in the Crown Court. Oftentimes there can be "IT issues" at these sorts of hearings, as the DCS (Defence Case System, IT system used by Courts/Barristers) does not allow details of SHPO variation matters to be listed on there, as they are not a "criminal" matter. Therefore I advise taking paper copies of all documents even if you have digitally submitted them.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The route of appeal against a decision, or refusal, to vary or discharge a SHPO is to the Court of Appeal Criminal Division, despite the variation itself being considered a civil matter.&lt;br/&gt;The route is via S353 of the Sentencing Act 2020 which gives a right of appeal to the Court of Appeal (if variation took place at Crown Court), or appeal to the Crown Court if variation took place in Magistrates or Youth Court.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The "five-year period" (for purposes of determining whether the Chief Police officer needs to consent to a discharge) starts from the date the Court made the order. If you were subject to an Interim SHPO prior to sentencing, this &lt;strong&gt;does not&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp;count. Only when the "full" SHPO came into place does the five-year clock start, which generally will be the date of sentencing for most people.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Generally, there is no legal aid available for SHPO-related matters post-sentencing. The limited exception is that the original firm who represented you may be able to represent you under the terms of the original Legal Aid certificate - generally this would however only be possible within the first year post-sentence. Legal Aid is not available in any other circumstances and paying privately can be very expensive - this should not discourage you though as it's entirely possible to complete the application process yourself with just a bit of patience and research.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35645"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks, very helpful.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;What would be the best reasons to stand best chance to get the order ended? I fear the court will just look at the original hearing and conclude if it was 10 years then, why now change to 5?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anyway, I'll discover in due course.&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35646"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;"1. Would enable me and my wife to fully move on&lt;br/&gt;2. While the conditions not onerous, they are (in my opinion) unnecessary&lt;br/&gt;3. It makes all insurance costs (the car, house etc..) a lot more giving some financial hardship&lt;br/&gt;4. It may restrict my ability to get an EU visa, disappointing my wife who wishes we can travel more"&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;These are good reasons to want to have the SHPO ended, but you just need to back it up with evidence.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;1. You could argue the SHPO is limiting the things you and your wife can do together, although the SHPO is addressed to what you can not do, it is extending on to your wife as well.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2. As with the case law I provided, if you have restrictions which simply should not be there in the first place, then it needs to be addressed and corrected. : Example, if you have an image offence non contact. Then having contact restrictions in your SHPO is disproportionate, you could further argue that after living with the SHPO for the last 5 years under these conditions has infringed on your rights to family life. But you may have to prove it by detailing which family members you have who have children under 18 ect. You could even argue the fact you were given a contact restriction with under 18's in stead of the default under 16's. Being given a restriction of 18's should only apply to those who have offended while in a position of trust.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;3. Insurances and the extra you have to pay could be your best reason, for having an unspent conviction and being forced to disclose it. You could provide evidence how much insurance you have paid over the 5 year period compared to someone else who pays less while not having a conviction ect, if there is or has been any hardships, financial sacrifices made that would have actually benefited to a change in your circumstances could be used as evidence.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;4. Even without a SHPO, I believe when it comes to travel. You are still bound by the Notification Requirements, even if your discharge was successful, you will still be on the register for the full sentence given. If there are any restrictions relating to travel with in the SHPO then technically it should be removed, because it interferes with the Notification Requirements. As I do not travel, this is not something I can really provide further opinions on.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If the SHPO is currently not hindering you that much, complying with the police during their visits may very well help with them determining what risk you pose. If you are already considered a low risk to them, then after 5 years they might even consider or suggest having your SHPO discharged early. It is rare but there are still some good officers out there who do not simply have a guilty till proven innocent approach. Challenge them, ask questions but only answer questions you are required to answer.&amp;nbsp;</description><pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2025 20:21:22 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>xDanx</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Getting a SHPO ended early</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35646.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="35645" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1759161722527"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35645" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35645" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35645" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;Evan Davis - 29 Sep 25 10:01 AM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35645"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;Hi All&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This seemed like a good place to answer some questions and to put some further information RE Sexual Harm Prevention Order variations/discharges for others:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Variation/Discharge&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You can apply for a variation of a SHPO at any time (as can the Police).&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;A SHPO can only contain prohibitions (or positive requirements) that are "necessary in order to protect the public from sexual harm" or that "protect children or vulnerable adults generally, or any particular children or vulnerable adults, from sexual harm from the offender outside the UK".&lt;br/&gt;The Court &lt;strong&gt;cannot &lt;/strong&gt;discharge a SHPO in its entirety within the first 5 years, without the consent of the person&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;and &lt;/strong&gt;the Chief Police officer. The court can still vary (add + remove conditions, change the length of the order etc) within this 5 year period and does not need the consent of the Chief Police officer.&lt;br/&gt;If sentenced to a SHPO in a Crown Court, it is that Crown Court to which an application for variation/discharge must be made.&lt;br/&gt;If sentenced to a SHPO in a Magistrates/Youth Court, an application should be made to the closest Magistrates Court to where the person currently resides.&lt;br/&gt;There is no proscribed application form. If unrepresented, simply send an email to the court listings office, setting out in full the grounds you rely upon. A date will be listed in due course.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Some matters are dealt with "administratively". This is generally where the Police do not object to the variation/discharge being sought, and oftentimes, the Court will write back to an individual letting them know the Judge has amended/discharged the order in X terms.&lt;br/&gt;If there is any disagreement with the Police, or the Court wishes to enquire further into something mentioned within the Application, generally the matter will be listed for an open court hearing.&lt;br/&gt;You will receive notice of the court hearing, which is a hearing open to the public. Generally, if matters progress to this and the Police are opposing an application, they will be represented by a barrister who acts for the Chief Police officer.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;This hearing is technically classed as a "civil" hearing, although takes place in the Crown Court. Oftentimes there can be "IT issues" at these sorts of hearings, as the DCS (Defence Case System, IT system used by Courts/Barristers) does not allow details of SHPO variation matters to be listed on there, as they are not a "criminal" matter. Therefore I advise taking paper copies of all documents even if you have digitally submitted them.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The route of appeal against a decision, or refusal, to vary or discharge a SHPO is to the Court of Appeal Criminal Division, despite the variation itself being considered a civil matter.&lt;br/&gt;The route is via S353 of the Sentencing Act 2020 which gives a right of appeal to the Court of Appeal (if variation took place at Crown Court), or appeal to the Crown Court if variation took place in Magistrates or Youth Court.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The "five-year period" (for purposes of determining whether the Chief Police officer needs to consent to a discharge) starts from the date the Court made the order. If you were subject to an Interim SHPO prior to sentencing, this &lt;strong&gt;does not&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp;count. Only when the "full" SHPO came into place does the five-year clock start, which generally will be the date of sentencing for most people.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Generally, there is no legal aid available for SHPO-related matters post-sentencing. The limited exception is that the original firm who represented you may be able to represent you under the terms of the original Legal Aid certificate - generally this would however only be possible within the first year post-sentence. Legal Aid is not available in any other circumstances and paying privately can be very expensive - this should not discourage you though as it's entirely possible to complete the application process yourself with just a bit of patience and research.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35645"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks, very helpful.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;What would be the best reasons to stand best chance to get the order ended? I fear the court will just look at the original hearing and conclude if it was 10 years then, why now change to 5?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anyway, I'll discover in due course.&amp;nbsp;</description><pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2025 17:04:08 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>Paul Jan</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Getting a SHPO ended early</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35645.aspx</link><description>Hi All&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This seemed like a good place to answer some questions and to put some further information RE Sexual Harm Prevention Order variations/discharges for others:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Variation/Discharge&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You can apply for a variation of a SHPO at any time (as can the Police).&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;A SHPO can only contain prohibitions (or positive requirements) that are "necessary in order to protect the public from sexual harm" or that "protect children or vulnerable adults generally, or any particular children or vulnerable adults, from sexual harm from the offender outside the UK".&lt;br/&gt;The Court &lt;strong&gt;cannot &lt;/strong&gt;discharge a SHPO in its entirety within the first 5 years, without the consent of the person&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;and &lt;/strong&gt;the Chief Police officer. The court can still vary (add + remove conditions, change the length of the order etc) within this 5 year period and does not need the consent of the Chief Police officer.&lt;br/&gt;If sentenced to a SHPO in a Crown Court, it is that Crown Court to which an application for variation/discharge must be made.&lt;br/&gt;If sentenced to a SHPO in a Magistrates/Youth Court, an application should be made to the closest Magistrates Court to where the person currently resides.&lt;br/&gt;There is no proscribed application form. If unrepresented, simply send an email to the court listings office, setting out in full the grounds you rely upon. A date will be listed in due course.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Some matters are dealt with "administratively". This is generally where the Police do not object to the variation/discharge being sought, and oftentimes, the Court will write back to an individual letting them know the Judge has amended/discharged the order in X terms.&lt;br/&gt;If there is any disagreement with the Police, or the Court wishes to enquire further into something mentioned within the Application, generally the matter will be listed for an open court hearing.&lt;br/&gt;You will receive notice of the court hearing, which is a hearing open to the public. Generally, if matters progress to this and the Police are opposing an application, they will be represented by a barrister who acts for the Chief Police officer.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;This hearing is technically classed as a "civil" hearing, although takes place in the Crown Court. Oftentimes there can be "IT issues" at these sorts of hearings, as the DCS (Defence Case System, IT system used by Courts/Barristers) does not allow details of SHPO variation matters to be listed on there, as they are not a "criminal" matter. Therefore I advise taking paper copies of all documents even if you have digitally submitted them.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The route of appeal against a decision, or refusal, to vary or discharge a SHPO is to the Court of Appeal Criminal Division, despite the variation itself being considered a civil matter.&lt;br/&gt;The route is via S353 of the Sentencing Act 2020 which gives a right of appeal to the Court of Appeal (if variation took place at Crown Court), or appeal to the Crown Court if variation took place in Magistrates or Youth Court.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The "five-year period" (for purposes of determining whether the Chief Police officer needs to consent to a discharge) starts from the date the Court made the order. If you were subject to an Interim SHPO prior to sentencing, this &lt;strong&gt;does not&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp;count. Only when the "full" SHPO came into place does the five-year clock start, which generally will be the date of sentencing for most people.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Generally, there is no legal aid available for SHPO-related matters post-sentencing. The limited exception is that the original firm who represented you may be able to represent you under the terms of the original Legal Aid certificate - generally this would however only be possible within the first year post-sentence. Legal Aid is not available in any other circumstances and paying privately can be very expensive - this should not discourage you though as it's entirely possible to complete the application process yourself with just a bit of patience and research.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;</description><pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2025 10:01:21 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>Evan Davis</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Getting a SHPO ended early</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35644.aspx</link><description>Time on the SOR starts from day you plead guilty, but SHPO usually only starts on day of sentencing. Where there is a long gap between the two, it should really be backdated, although I dont think SHPOs can be backdated, in which case it would be 5 years from date of sentencing. The SHPO therefore extends the time on the SOR and time until the conviction is spent, which would then be the same as the end date of the SHPO.</description><pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2025 10:00:57 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>punter99</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Getting a SHPO ended early</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35643.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="35642" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1759078910794"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35642" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35642" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35642" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;conkers - 28 Sep 25 4:49 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35642"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35641" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1759078910794"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35641" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35641" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35641" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;Paul Jan - 28 Sep 25 12:18 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35641"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35640" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1759078910794"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35640" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35640" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35640" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;xDanx - 27 Sep 25 8:10 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35640"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35635" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1759078910794"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35635" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35635" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35635" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;Paul Jan - 25 Sep 25 4:49 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35635"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;I'm a year into a 10 year SHPO (sentence of 16 months) , so earliest my conviction could be spent is another 4 years, if I can get the SHPO ended early then.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On the basis it's never too early to start planning, it would be good to hear from others who tried this.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My reasons (in no particular order) :&lt;br/&gt;1. Would enable me and my wife to fully move on&lt;br/&gt;2. While the conditions not onerous, they are (in my opinion) unnecessary&lt;br/&gt;3. It makes all insurance costs (the car, house etc..) a lot more giving some financial hardship&lt;br/&gt;4. It may restrict my ability to get an EU visa, disappointing my wife who wishes we can travel more&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Any information, experiences, suggestions will be very welcome.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Paul&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35635"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Firstly, as you may already know. If you are under the 5 year mark into your SHPO, you would need to ask police for permission to allow a full discharge. Beyond the 5 year mark you can simply apply to the courts yourself with your application to discharge.&lt;br/&gt;Since you are only a year in so far, while being very unlikely the police would agree to discharge your SHPO. Your best bet is to apply to the courts and have the SHPO amended. To amend the SHPO you do not need permission from police and can apply yourself, or your solicitor can (if you have / can find one)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Should this be the step you take, there are number of things you might want to consider&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;1. Legal Aid - if funds are low and paying for legal support is difficult, Some solicitors may allow representation through Legal Aid. But remember, because the solicitor is not getting paid in full because of this, (in my opinion) they may not provide you with all the vital information.&lt;br/&gt;Such as the Court of Appeal Q vs Smith, (&lt;a href="https://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/format.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2011/1772.html"&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/format.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2011/1772.html"&gt;https://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/format.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2011/1772.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt; ) you need to make sure the solicitor and barrister has a full understanding of this ruling. My first solicitor was useless and refused to acknowledge the ruling and was actually more on the side of the Police, suggesting that there was actually nothing wrong with my SHPO and it was "normal".&lt;br/&gt;One key thing to make a note of, SHPOs have with in last few years been changed to allow positive actions to be drafted with them.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2. Evidence - The smith ruling I linked above should help identify anything with in your SHPO that the ruling deems disproportionate. If you have a restriction on access for under 18, for a non contact offence. It should be removed, although the likely outcome would be it will be lowered to 16. Unless, you have a good solicitor who can argue this point.&lt;br/&gt;Evidence of how the SHPO is affecting your ability to live a law abiding life, highlight the areas of the SHPO which are ultimately hindering your ability to change your circumstances, you could argue the contact restriction is infringing on family life as part of Article 8 of the human rights act, you could document how much money is being wasted on insurance because of an unspent conviction, the difficulties of finding work, (if you are seeking to find work) the list goes on but you must find the evidence. I was able to win my discharge because I provided enough evidence that the SHPO it's self was the cause of preventing me from changing my circumstances (finding work / training)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;3. Time - once your application to amend goes through, it could take one week, a month, a year. Courts are extremely back logged so there is no telling how long your application might take, and unless you have a half decent PPU you may have a small fight in your hands if they oppose and might not turn up at all to delay the process.&lt;br/&gt;If the ruling does not go in your favor I believe there is a time limit before you apply again, which is 7 years (to my knowledge)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;4. Cost - I believe if the ruling does not go in your favor, I think you can still appeal the decision. But this will not be covered by Legal Aid and might cost quite a large sum.&lt;br/&gt;If Legal Aid isn't available to you because you are working etc, it might still cost a fair bit&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;5. Judge - There is no telling what kind of person the Judge would be, I was seen by one Judge on day one in my application to discharge, had it not been for my barrister requesting I provide further, evidence my application would have been denied then and there. Which also allowed him to request a new Judge who was more fair and read my application in more detail.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The key thing when it comes down to it, is research. Understand the information and challenge the officers who visit, document everything and use their words against them.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;The more people do this the better chances we all have at actually having Police not get away with imposing further unlawful restrictions.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35640"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks for replies.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm not eligible for legal aid. I'm retired, and the SHPO conditions do not impact me at all (just annoyance having it). As I have to wait 5 years anyway to get my conviction spent, that will be the time to get the SHPO set aside.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35641"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm looking to challenge/ rescind my SHPO&amp;nbsp; later this year but need to see when my five years is up.&amp;nbsp; On initial hearing at magistrates I plead guilty and was put on register and had shpo applied&amp;nbsp; that day. However sentencing at crown wasn't until another 9 months, does&amp;nbsp; the SHPO imposed count from crown court or from initial hearing at magistrates. My sentence was 2 years suspended&amp;nbsp; 200 hours community service&amp;nbsp; on the register and shpo for ten years.&amp;nbsp; Looking to get the order removed as want the conviction&amp;nbsp; to be spent. Also does the five years count from the date of conviction or after sentence completed ? Sorry if hijacked the thread many thanks&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35642"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It's sentence plus 4 years, so I'd assume from date of sentence at court. So mine will be spent after 5 years 4 months (if I get te SHPO removed) and yours after 6 years. Don't know when the SHPO itself starts, but mine is a 10 year one anyway (hence why I hope to get in cancelled when it would be possible to have my conviction spent.&amp;nbsp;</description><pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2025 18:05:48 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>Paul Jan</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Getting a SHPO ended early</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35642.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="35641" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1759073931551"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35641" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35641" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35641" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;Paul Jan - 28 Sep 25 12:18 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35641"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35640" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1759073931551"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35640" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35640" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35640" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;xDanx - 27 Sep 25 8:10 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35640"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35635" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1759073931551"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35635" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35635" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35635" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;Paul Jan - 25 Sep 25 4:49 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35635"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;I'm a year into a 10 year SHPO (sentence of 16 months) , so earliest my conviction could be spent is another 4 years, if I can get the SHPO ended early then.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On the basis it's never too early to start planning, it would be good to hear from others who tried this.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My reasons (in no particular order) :&lt;br/&gt;1. Would enable me and my wife to fully move on&lt;br/&gt;2. While the conditions not onerous, they are (in my opinion) unnecessary&lt;br/&gt;3. It makes all insurance costs (the car, house etc..) a lot more giving some financial hardship&lt;br/&gt;4. It may restrict my ability to get an EU visa, disappointing my wife who wishes we can travel more&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Any information, experiences, suggestions will be very welcome.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Paul&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35635"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Firstly, as you may already know. If you are under the 5 year mark into your SHPO, you would need to ask police for permission to allow a full discharge. Beyond the 5 year mark you can simply apply to the courts yourself with your application to discharge.&lt;br/&gt;Since you are only a year in so far, while being very unlikely the police would agree to discharge your SHPO. Your best bet is to apply to the courts and have the SHPO amended. To amend the SHPO you do not need permission from police and can apply yourself, or your solicitor can (if you have / can find one)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Should this be the step you take, there are number of things you might want to consider&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;1. Legal Aid - if funds are low and paying for legal support is difficult, Some solicitors may allow representation through Legal Aid. But remember, because the solicitor is not getting paid in full because of this, (in my opinion) they may not provide you with all the vital information.&lt;br/&gt;Such as the Court of Appeal Q vs Smith, (&lt;a href="https://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/format.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2011/1772.html"&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/format.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2011/1772.html"&gt;https://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/format.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2011/1772.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt; ) you need to make sure the solicitor and barrister has a full understanding of this ruling. My first solicitor was useless and refused to acknowledge the ruling and was actually more on the side of the Police, suggesting that there was actually nothing wrong with my SHPO and it was "normal".&lt;br/&gt;One key thing to make a note of, SHPOs have with in last few years been changed to allow positive actions to be drafted with them.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2. Evidence - The smith ruling I linked above should help identify anything with in your SHPO that the ruling deems disproportionate. If you have a restriction on access for under 18, for a non contact offence. It should be removed, although the likely outcome would be it will be lowered to 16. Unless, you have a good solicitor who can argue this point.&lt;br/&gt;Evidence of how the SHPO is affecting your ability to live a law abiding life, highlight the areas of the SHPO which are ultimately hindering your ability to change your circumstances, you could argue the contact restriction is infringing on family life as part of Article 8 of the human rights act, you could document how much money is being wasted on insurance because of an unspent conviction, the difficulties of finding work, (if you are seeking to find work) the list goes on but you must find the evidence. I was able to win my discharge because I provided enough evidence that the SHPO it's self was the cause of preventing me from changing my circumstances (finding work / training)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;3. Time - once your application to amend goes through, it could take one week, a month, a year. Courts are extremely back logged so there is no telling how long your application might take, and unless you have a half decent PPU you may have a small fight in your hands if they oppose and might not turn up at all to delay the process.&lt;br/&gt;If the ruling does not go in your favor I believe there is a time limit before you apply again, which is 7 years (to my knowledge)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;4. Cost - I believe if the ruling does not go in your favor, I think you can still appeal the decision. But this will not be covered by Legal Aid and might cost quite a large sum.&lt;br/&gt;If Legal Aid isn't available to you because you are working etc, it might still cost a fair bit&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;5. Judge - There is no telling what kind of person the Judge would be, I was seen by one Judge on day one in my application to discharge, had it not been for my barrister requesting I provide further, evidence my application would have been denied then and there. Which also allowed him to request a new Judge who was more fair and read my application in more detail.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The key thing when it comes down to it, is research. Understand the information and challenge the officers who visit, document everything and use their words against them.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;The more people do this the better chances we all have at actually having Police not get away with imposing further unlawful restrictions.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35640"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks for replies.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm not eligible for legal aid. I'm retired, and the SHPO conditions do not impact me at all (just annoyance having it). As I have to wait 5 years anyway to get my conviction spent, that will be the time to get the SHPO set aside.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35641"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm looking to challenge/ rescind my SHPO&amp;nbsp; later this year but need to see when my five years is up.&amp;nbsp; On initial hearing at magistrates I plead guilty and was put on register and had shpo applied&amp;nbsp; that day. However sentencing at crown wasn't until another 9 months, does&amp;nbsp; the SHPO imposed count from crown court or from initial hearing at magistrates. My sentence was 2 years suspended&amp;nbsp; 200 hours community service&amp;nbsp; on the register and shpo for ten years.&amp;nbsp; Looking to get the order removed as want the conviction&amp;nbsp; to be spent. Also does the five years count from the date of conviction or after sentence completed ? Sorry if hijacked the thread many thanks&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&amp;nbsp;</description><pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2025 16:49:48 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>conkers</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Getting a SHPO ended early</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35641.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="35640" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1759058030485"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35640" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35640" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35640" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;xDanx - 27 Sep 25 8:10 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35640"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;&lt;div data-id="35635" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1759058030485"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35635" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35635" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35635" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;Paul Jan - 25 Sep 25 4:49 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35635"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;I'm a year into a 10 year SHPO (sentence of 16 months) , so earliest my conviction could be spent is another 4 years, if I can get the SHPO ended early then.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On the basis it's never too early to start planning, it would be good to hear from others who tried this.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My reasons (in no particular order) :&lt;br/&gt;1. Would enable me and my wife to fully move on&lt;br/&gt;2. While the conditions not onerous, they are (in my opinion) unnecessary&lt;br/&gt;3. It makes all insurance costs (the car, house etc..) a lot more giving some financial hardship&lt;br/&gt;4. It may restrict my ability to get an EU visa, disappointing my wife who wishes we can travel more&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Any information, experiences, suggestions will be very welcome.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Paul&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35635"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Firstly, as you may already know. If you are under the 5 year mark into your SHPO, you would need to ask police for permission to allow a full discharge. Beyond the 5 year mark you can simply apply to the courts yourself with your application to discharge.&lt;br/&gt;Since you are only a year in so far, while being very unlikely the police would agree to discharge your SHPO. Your best bet is to apply to the courts and have the SHPO amended. To amend the SHPO you do not need permission from police and can apply yourself, or your solicitor can (if you have / can find one)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Should this be the step you take, there are number of things you might want to consider&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;1. Legal Aid - if funds are low and paying for legal support is difficult, Some solicitors may allow representation through Legal Aid. But remember, because the solicitor is not getting paid in full because of this, (in my opinion) they may not provide you with all the vital information.&lt;br/&gt;Such as the Court of Appeal Q vs Smith, (&lt;a href="https://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/format.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2011/1772.html"&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/format.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2011/1772.html"&gt;https://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/format.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2011/1772.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt; ) you need to make sure the solicitor and barrister has a full understanding of this ruling. My first solicitor was useless and refused to acknowledge the ruling and was actually more on the side of the Police, suggesting that there was actually nothing wrong with my SHPO and it was "normal".&lt;br/&gt;One key thing to make a note of, SHPOs have with in last few years been changed to allow positive actions to be drafted with them.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2. Evidence - The smith ruling I linked above should help identify anything with in your SHPO that the ruling deems disproportionate. If you have a restriction on access for under 18, for a non contact offence. It should be removed, although the likely outcome would be it will be lowered to 16. Unless, you have a good solicitor who can argue this point.&lt;br/&gt;Evidence of how the SHPO is affecting your ability to live a law abiding life, highlight the areas of the SHPO which are ultimately hindering your ability to change your circumstances, you could argue the contact restriction is infringing on family life as part of Article 8 of the human rights act, you could document how much money is being wasted on insurance because of an unspent conviction, the difficulties of finding work, (if you are seeking to find work) the list goes on but you must find the evidence. I was able to win my discharge because I provided enough evidence that the SHPO it's self was the cause of preventing me from changing my circumstances (finding work / training)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;3. Time - once your application to amend goes through, it could take one week, a month, a year. Courts are extremely back logged so there is no telling how long your application might take, and unless you have a half decent PPU you may have a small fight in your hands if they oppose and might not turn up at all to delay the process.&lt;br/&gt;If the ruling does not go in your favor I believe there is a time limit before you apply again, which is 7 years (to my knowledge)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;4. Cost - I believe if the ruling does not go in your favor, I think you can still appeal the decision. But this will not be covered by Legal Aid and might cost quite a large sum.&lt;br/&gt;If Legal Aid isn't available to you because you are working etc, it might still cost a fair bit&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;5. Judge - There is no telling what kind of person the Judge would be, I was seen by one Judge on day one in my application to discharge, had it not been for my barrister requesting I provide further, evidence my application would have been denied then and there. Which also allowed him to request a new Judge who was more fair and read my application in more detail.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The key thing when it comes down to it, is research. Understand the information and challenge the officers who visit, document everything and use their words against them.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;The more people do this the better chances we all have at actually having Police not get away with imposing further unlawful restrictions.&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35640"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks for replies.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'm not eligible for legal aid. I'm retired, and the SHPO conditions do not impact me at all (just annoyance having it). As I have to wait 5 years anyway to get my conviction spent, that will be the time to get the SHPO set aside.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;</description><pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2025 12:18:59 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>Paul Jan</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Getting a SHPO ended early</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35640.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="35635" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1758995104757"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35635" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35635" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35635" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;Paul Jan - 25 Sep 25 4:49 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35635"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;I'm a year into a 10 year SHPO (sentence of 16 months) , so earliest my conviction could be spent is another 4 years, if I can get the SHPO ended early then.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On the basis it's never too early to start planning, it would be good to hear from others who tried this.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My reasons (in no particular order) :&lt;br/&gt;1. Would enable me and my wife to fully move on&lt;br/&gt;2. While the conditions not onerous, they are (in my opinion) unnecessary&lt;br/&gt;3. It makes all insurance costs (the car, house etc..) a lot more giving some financial hardship&lt;br/&gt;4. It may restrict my ability to get an EU visa, disappointing my wife who wishes we can travel more&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Any information, experiences, suggestions will be very welcome.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Paul&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35635"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Firstly, as you may already know. If you are under the 5 year mark into your SHPO, you would need to ask police for permission to allow a full discharge. Beyond the 5 year mark you can simply apply to the courts yourself with your application to discharge.&lt;br/&gt;Since you are only a year in so far, while being very unlikely the police would agree to discharge your SHPO. Your best bet is to apply to the courts and have the SHPO amended. To amend the SHPO you do not need permission from police and can apply yourself, or your solicitor can (if you have / can find one)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Should this be the step you take, there are number of things you might want to consider&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;1. Legal Aid - if funds are low and paying for legal support is difficult, Some solicitors may allow representation through Legal Aid. But remember, because the solicitor is not getting paid in full because of this, (in my opinion) they may not provide you with all the vital information.&lt;br/&gt;Such as the Court of Appeal Q vs Smith, (&lt;a href="https://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/format.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2011/1772.html"&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/format.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2011/1772.html"&gt;https://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/format.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2011/1772.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt; ) you need to make sure the solicitor and barrister has a full understanding of this ruling. My first solicitor was useless and refused to acknowledge the ruling and was actually more on the side of the Police, suggesting that there was actually nothing wrong with my SHPO and it was "normal".&lt;br/&gt;One key thing to make a note of, SHPOs have with in last few years been changed to allow positive actions to be drafted with them.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2. Evidence - The smith ruling I linked above should help identify anything with in your SHPO that the ruling deems disproportionate. If you have a restriction on access for under 18, for a non contact offence. It should be removed, although the likely outcome would be it will be lowered to 16. Unless, you have a good solicitor who can argue this point.&lt;br/&gt;Evidence of how the SHPO is affecting your ability to live a law abiding life, highlight the areas of the SHPO which are ultimately hindering your ability to change your circumstances, you could argue the contact restriction is infringing on family life as part of Article 8 of the human rights act, you could document how much money is being wasted on insurance because of an unspent conviction, the difficulties of finding work, (if you are seeking to find work) the list goes on but you must find the evidence. I was able to win my discharge because I provided enough evidence that the SHPO it's self was the cause of preventing me from changing my circumstances (finding work / training)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;3. Time - once your application to amend goes through, it could take one week, a month, a year. Courts are extremely back logged so there is no telling how long your application might take, and unless you have a half decent PPU you may have a small fight in your hands if they oppose and might not turn up at all to delay the process.&lt;br/&gt;If the ruling does not go in your favor I believe there is a time limit before you apply again, which is 7 years (to my knowledge)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;4. Cost - I believe if the ruling does not go in your favor, I think you can still appeal the decision. But this will not be covered by Legal Aid and might cost quite a large sum.&lt;br/&gt;If Legal Aid isn't available to you because you are working etc, it might still cost a fair bit&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;5. Judge - There is no telling what kind of person the Judge would be, I was seen by one Judge on day one in my application to discharge, had it not been for my barrister requesting I provide further, evidence my application would have been denied then and there. Which also allowed him to request a new Judge who was more fair and read my application in more detail.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The key thing when it comes down to it, is research. Understand the information and challenge the officers who visit, document everything and use their words against them.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;The more people do this the better chances we all have at actually having Police not get away with imposing further unlawful restrictions.</description><pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2025 20:10:31 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>xDanx</dc:creator></item><item><title>RE: Getting a SHPO ended early</title><link>https://forum.unlock.org.uk/FindPost35636.aspx</link><description>&lt;div data-id="35635" class="if-quote-wrapper" unselectable="on" data-guid="1758967123407"&gt;&lt;a class="quote-para" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35635" title="Move Cursor Below" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;+&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a class="quote-delete" unselectable="on" style="display: none;" href="#" data-id="35635" title="Delete Quote" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on"&gt;x&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-header" contenteditable="false"&gt;&lt;div unselectable="on" class="if-quote-toggle-wrapper"&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-toggle quote-link" href="#" data-id="35635" title=" "&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[b]&lt;/span&gt;Paul Jan - 25 Sep 25 4:49 PM&lt;span unselectable="on" class="quote-markup"&gt;[/b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message if-quote-message-35635"&gt;&lt;div class="if-quote-message-margin"&gt;I'm a year into a 10 year SHPO (sentence of 16 months) , so earliest my conviction could be spent is another 4 years, if I can get the SHPO ended early then.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On the basis it's never too early to start planning, it would be good to hear from others who tried this.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My reasons (in no particular order) :&lt;br/&gt;1. Would enable me and my wife to fully move on&lt;br/&gt;2. While the conditions not onerous, they are (in my opinion) unnecessary&lt;br/&gt;3. It makes all insurance costs (the car, house etc..) a lot more giving some financial hardship&lt;br/&gt;4. It may restrict my ability to get an EU visa, disappointing my wife who wishes we can travel more&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Any information, experiences, suggestions will be very welcome.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Paul&amp;nbsp;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a class="if-quote-goto quote-link" href="#" data-id="35635"&gt;&lt;span class="goto"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span class="quote-markup"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Finding a local solicitor who will take you on under legal aid, is probably the way to start. You can go to court on your own, but having someone else in your corner is always useful.</description><pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2025 10:56:59 GMT</pubDate><dc:creator>punter99</dc:creator></item></channel></rss>