By joy2730 - 29 Aug 14 7:50 PM
about a year ago, for many different reasons, I walked out of Boots with slimming pills and a department store with a makeup tester and was stopped in the streets seconds later by the managers of both stores. Together they called the police and I received 2 Community Resolution Orders (CROs) which is really bad news for me as I need an Enhanced DBS certificate for my job.
I now have to fill out a renewal DBS. I have contacted my local DBS Unit Manager as I am worried it may be disclosed as 'additional information disclosed at the discretion of the chief police constable'. However I have been reassured that this type of offence is not relevant to my role as Support Worker/Carer and will fail the relevancy test and will also fail the proportionality test, (which I think may be the same as the 'ought to' test), and therefore nothing will appear on my DBS certificate. The Manager said the DBS system is not meant to be punitive in nature and that even with serious offences the Unit can work with the individual to put a 'positive spin' on an offence to make employment less difficult.
I thought you might want to know of this, and to encourage others to contact their local police forces and DBS units for assistance.
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By Victor H - 15 Dec 13 7:37 PM
Thanks so dbs run a relevancy test to see if the job role is allowed a dbs check ?
While it sounds positive lets not forgot dbs allow checks to run by Morrison's supermarket for people stacking baked beans and 100+ per month for RSPCA despite not even hiring 100.
Perhaps it was just a bad day in the dbs office or a monday ? Perhaps no difference and they really are law abiding and the good guys!
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By joy2730 - 29 Aug 14 7:50 PM
What I meant was when you fill in a DBS application the DBS unit considered if any of your offences or misdemeanours showing up on the computer system under your name are relevant to the job role your application refers to.
Sadly, they didn't say they run checks to check the application from the employer is appropriate to that job role in the first place! They probably should be doing this because it is an invasion into privacy.
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By Victor H - 15 Dec 13 7:37 PM
Nicely put ! that would imply common sense and following a real law by DBS which sadly does not exist.
Just like anything in life money exchanged and the check is approved with no thought on actually checking the employer is legally or correct to ask or run a dbs check.
Agree its an invasion into privacy and violates the right to work and provide law if that law remotely existed!
But its good information non the less at least dbs are able to check if X allows X to work, its a list I have been keen on finding out since it would allow unlock or people to know where they stand and what companies they can even apply to rather then wasting time worrying and applying for X job role when all a long it was never possible guess common sense will keep on ticking for now.
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By Deb S - 16 Sep 11 1:36 PM
Hi Joy2730
Thanks for this information which is really useful.
We have recently been updating the section on our Information Hub around 'Police Intelligence' and figures we received following a Freedom of Information request seem to support the view that since the Statutory Disclosure Guidance, and the Quality Assurance Framework were introduced, then there are less instances of 'additional information' being disclosed.
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By AJW83 - 19 May 14 2:03 PM
Unlock Helpline said...
Hi Joy2730
Thanks for this information which is really useful.
We have recently been updating the section on our Information Hub around 'Police Intelligence' and figures we received following a Freedom of Information request seem to support the view that since the Statutory Disclosure Guidance, and the Quality Assurance Framework were introduced, then there are less instances of 'additional information' being disclosed.
Kind regards
Unlock Helpline
Personally I think this should apply to any DBS check not just the additional information there should be more relevancy to the checks and the jobs.
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By joy2730 - 29 Aug 14 7:50 PM
I agree with AJW83. When I was speaking to the DBS unit manager she also told me that employer's do too many DBS/CRB checks because they panic a lot (this is my second check, along with the rest of the work force in 14 mths) and that employer's do not understand the system and panic and think everything will be covered if they do another check.
She said they are trying to educate employer's more but feel they are failing.
Eg following this new DBS my employer has told me I HAVE TO JOIN THE UPDATE SERVICE. However the DBS unit manager has said it is not mandatory to join the update system, so what is going on?
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By Victor H - 15 Dec 13 7:37 PM
I doubt DBS will bother training or educating employers not when they are making so much money from it.
Employers love it since it allows them to get a full past profile and any dirt on anyone which just like in any situation can be used against that person if and when required.
It requires a full re-branding and overhaul so just like crb to dbs we need a new brand name followed by strict guide lines or law being followed by both parties and relevancy and eligibility should be 100% required ie working in supermarket = no checks, since pushing trolleys and putting tins on shelves is not harming anyone this would stop dbs/government from abusing and profiting from such a system.
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By RemorseA - 20 Mar 14 10:36 PM
joy2730 said...
about a year ago, for many different reasons, I walked out of Boots with slimming pills and a department store with a makeup tester and was stopped in the streets seconds later by the managers of both stores. Together they called the police and I received 2 Community Resolution Orders (CROs) which is really bad news for me as I need an Enhanced DBS certificate for my job.
I now have to fill out a renewal DBS. I have contacted my local DBS Unit Manager as I am worried it may be disclosed as 'additional information disclosed at the discretion of the chief police constable'. However I have been reassured that this type of offence is not relevant to my role as Support Worker/Carer and will fail the relevancy test and will also fail the proportionality test, (which I think may be the same as the 'ought to' test), and therefore nothing will appear on my DBS certificate. The Manager said the DBS system is not meant to be punitive in nature and that even with serious offences the Unit can work with the individual to put a 'positive spin' on an offence to make employment less difficult.
I thought you might want to know of this, and to encourage others to contact their local police forces and DBS units for assistance.
Hi Joy2730-What was written in the additional information section of th new DBS please? None recorded or not relevant?
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By RemorseA - 20 Mar 14 10:36 PM
Anyone with community resolution orders needing enhanced checks?
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By RemorseA - 20 Mar 14 10:36 PM
Deb S said...
Hi Joy2730
Thanks for this information which is really useful.
We have recently been updating the section on our Information Hub around 'Police Intelligence' and figures we received following a Freedom of Information request seem to support the view that since the Statutory Disclosure Guidance, and the Quality Assurance Framework were introduced, then there are less instances of 'additional information' being disclosed.
Kind regards
Unlock Helpline
Any more success stories on the forum regarding nonconviction information?
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