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New job - but a moral dilemma. What would you do?


New job - but a moral dilemma. What would you do?

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After some big battles (e.g. Google effect problems, being unfairly dismissed from a previous role, being refused access to higher education, getting my SOPO discharged early and fighting to get a clean Basic DBS check), I have finally got an amazing new job. This role is the first step on a new career path, for which I have studied really hard. I was so pleased. I now have a clear DBS and the convictions are spent (it felt so good not having to 'tick the box'). 
However, these days employers add rather sneaky, 'catch-all' clauses like: "The information in this application form is true and complete. I agree that any deliberate omission, falsification or misrepresentation in the application form will be grounds for rejecting this application or subsequent dismissal if employed by the organisation." I want a fresh start, I want to work and contribute to society once again. My convictions are spent; the SOPO is gone and I did nothing wrong that resulted being unfairly dismissed from my previous role. Yet I know if I did mention my SO status, or being dismissed to my now new employer, regardless of whether my convictions are spent or not, they would never have offered me the job in the first place! But what else can I do? Legally I am not in the wrong but technically have I 'deliberately omitted or misrepresented' my situation and so deserve the consequences? Let me know what you think...
RM



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RunningMan - 24 Apr 18 4:20 PM
Hello
After some big battles (e.g. Google effect problems, being unfairly dismissed from a previous role, being refused access to higher education, getting my SOPO discharged early and fighting to get a clean Basic DBS check), I have finally got an amazing new job. This role is the first step on a new career path, for which I have studied really hard. I was so pleased. I now have a clear DBS and the convictions are spent (it felt so good not having to 'tick the box'). 
However, these days employers add rather sneaky, 'catch-all' clauses like: "The information in this application form is true and complete. I agree that any deliberate omission, falsification or misrepresentation in the application form will be grounds for rejecting this application or subsequent dismissal if employed by the organisation." I want a fresh start, I want to work and contribute to society once again. My convictions are spent; the SOPO is gone and I did nothing wrong that resulted being unfairly dismissed from my previous role. Yet I know if I did mention my SO status, or being dismissed to my now new employer, regardless of whether my convictions are spent or not, they would never have offered me the job in the first place! But what else can I do? Legally I am not in the wrong but technically have I 'deliberately omitted or misrepresented' my situation and so deserve the consequences? Let me know what you think...
RM



no brainer just sign and move on, you have all the rationale you state to explain why you did it in the very unlikely event its ever spotted and raised with you
just don't f*ck up again, ie no recidivism and good luck !

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Application of the law is the same. If your employer wants to recognise the law on convictions they must equally apply the ROA. The law is not a pick n mix for the ones you like. The GDPA also brings a big stick to ensure that they dont use the application form data for any other use. 
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RunningMan - 24 Apr 18 4:20 PM
Hello
After some big battles (e.g. Google effect problems, being unfairly dismissed from a previous role, being refused access to higher education, getting my SOPO discharged early and fighting to get a clean Basic DBS check), I have finally got an amazing new job. This role is the first step on a new career path, for which I have studied really hard. I was so pleased. I now have a clear DBS and the convictions are spent (it felt so good not having to 'tick the box'). 
However, these days employers add rather sneaky, 'catch-all' clauses like: "The information in this application form is true and complete. I agree that any deliberate omission, falsification or misrepresentation in the application form will be grounds for rejecting this application or subsequent dismissal if employed by the organisation." I want a fresh start, I want to work and contribute to society once again. My convictions are spent; the SOPO is gone and I did nothing wrong that resulted being unfairly dismissed from my previous role. Yet I know if I did mention my SO status, or being dismissed to my now new employer, regardless of whether my convictions are spent or not, they would never have offered me the job in the first place! But what else can I do? Legally I am not in the wrong but technically have I 'deliberately omitted or misrepresented' my situation and so deserve the consequences? Let me know what you think...
RM



Great news about the career change and new job. Tenacity pays!
Society deems that you pay your dues by way of a sentence and rehabilitation period.  They're paid and you're entitled to move on.
The only 'moral' aspect is if the job was placing you in temptation's way and you weren't totally convinced that you had indeed moved on.  I suspect that isn't the case for either you as a individual or for the role so look forward, make it a success and be an advocate for 'rehabilitation works' as best you can
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RunningMan - 24 Apr 18 4:20 PM
Hello
After some big battles (e.g. Google effect problems, being unfairly dismissed from a previous role, being refused access to higher education, getting my SOPO discharged early and fighting to get a clean Basic DBS check), I have finally got an amazing new job. This role is the first step on a new career path, for which I have studied really hard. I was so pleased. I now have a clear DBS and the convictions are spent (it felt so good not having to 'tick the box'). 
However, these days employers add rather sneaky, 'catch-all' clauses like: "The information in this application form is true and complete. I agree that any deliberate omission, falsification or misrepresentation in the application form will be grounds for rejecting this application or subsequent dismissal if employed by the organisation." I want a fresh start, I want to work and contribute to society once again. My convictions are spent; the SOPO is gone and I did nothing wrong that resulted being unfairly dismissed from my previous role. Yet I know if I did mention my SO status, or being dismissed to my now new employer, regardless of whether my convictions are spent or not, they would never have offered me the job in the first place! But what else can I do? Legally I am not in the wrong but technically have I 'deliberately omitted or misrepresented' my situation and so deserve the consequences? Let me know what you think...
RM



All you can do is act in line with the legislation at the time of the application. If you are not legally required to disclose, then that should be your guide. If anyone tried to live their lives by 'technicalities' we'd be locked in stasis not knowing which technicality to apply to any given situation. You are being honest and truthful, you are NOT omitting something which is required to be disclosed so you are technically doing nothing wrong. Any potential repercussions in the far, distant future will be emotive rather than legal or technical and there is no way you can plan for the emotions of other people.
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Diogenese - 30 Apr 18 10:55 AM
RunningMan - 24 Apr 18 4:20 PM
Hello
After some big battles (e.g. Google effect problems, being unfairly dismissed from a previous role, being refused access to higher education, getting my SOPO discharged early and fighting to get a clean Basic DBS check), I have finally got an amazing new job. This role is the first step on a new career path, for which I have studied really hard. I was so pleased. I now have a clear DBS and the convictions are spent (it felt so good not having to 'tick the box'). 
However, these days employers add rather sneaky, 'catch-all' clauses like: "The information in this application form is true and complete. I agree that any deliberate omission, falsification or misrepresentation in the application form will be grounds for rejecting this application or subsequent dismissal if employed by the organisation." I want a fresh start, I want to work and contribute to society once again. My convictions are spent; the SOPO is gone and I did nothing wrong that resulted being unfairly dismissed from my previous role. Yet I know if I did mention my SO status, or being dismissed to my now new employer, regardless of whether my convictions are spent or not, they would never have offered me the job in the first place! But what else can I do? Legally I am not in the wrong but technically have I 'deliberately omitted or misrepresented' my situation and so deserve the consequences? Let me know what you think...
RM



All you can do is act in line with the legislation at the time of the application. If you are not legally required to disclose, then that should be your guide. If anyone tried to live their lives by 'technicalities' we'd be locked in stasis not knowing which technicality to apply to any given situation. You are being honest and truthful, you are NOT omitting something which is required to be disclosed so you are technically doing nothing wrong. Any potential repercussions in the far, distant future will be emotive rather than legal or technical and there is no way you can plan for the emotions of other people.

I agree with all these replies, and I don't see it as a moral dilemma for you. Tell them what they have a right to know, and nothing else. They have the moral dilemma if they want to act on information that they have no right to know.
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