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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHi peeps! - 120 Hours community payback order (would've been 200 but accounting for the early plea) over a 6 month period
- I have to take part in the Moving Forward, Making Changes program which runs for 3 years
- I will also be subject to the register notification requirements for those 3 years
- I have a review in 3 months to make sure I'm keeping my nose clean and abiding by everything as the judge doesn't think I'll actually take part in any of this - I'm happy to prove him wrong!
So all things considered, a pretty good result I think.
This is great news. I would be wary of the 3 years SOR requirements though. That reads to me as if it should be 5 years? Don't forget he is in Scotland, where the law is slightly different. The law, as applied in Scotland, says the notification period runs until the end of the community payback order. That has no relation to the amount of work, just the supervision requirement. You might think that would be the 6 months relating to the unpaid work, but as the other stuff is involved, that should take it out to 3 years. From down here in England, that result looks even better. As for when it's spent, if he was given a SOPO, it's spent at the end of the SOPO, as in England. If there was no SOPO, then the law appears to say it's spent after...12 months. You're spot on with it. The 3 years is related to the Moving Forward, Making Changes program which I'm taking part in. That runs for 3 years. I did get them to confirm that. One thing they couldn't confirm though was the potential for "time spent". As I've already been on the register for a few months now from when I pled guilty if it would count towards the 3 years. So I'm unsure about that. It would shave I think about 4 months or so off from it though but I honestly can't see it. All things considered I'm pretty happy with the 3 year portion as in the grand scheme of things it isn't overly long. Time on the SOR is normally measured from the first time you signed on at a police station. It's all in the law under "relevant date", and for a community sentence, the relevant date is the date of conviction, not sentencing. Okay. - I first signed up all the paperwork at the station on 06/12/2019.
- I received my sentencing on 10/02/2020
Would be notification requirements cease on 06/12/2022?
I have since been in to update them with various bits and bobs but it is from that initial date and not my sentencing date?
I'm also curious if it is worth putting in a complaint given by the Social Work as it was heavily pushed in the newspapers follow up this week about how in the report I seemingly only care and spoke about myself. I'm awestruck at that. How else am I supposed to come across when all your questions were actually about me? There was no mention in the report of all the charity and community work I mentioned that I've done for years both in raising money, donating money and a lot of my time too.
Feels like they wanted to create this villainous boogey man. Moving forward it looks like this social work person that did the report will be dealing with me moving forward which I don't feel comfortable about now, which is a shame as I felt really comfortable working with them before but I feel like a huge betrayal of trust and I strongly feel they will not be impartial moving forward with any future reports.
I also don't want to come across as being difficult, which I'm sure would go down in the report too.
Hi Whatever SOR requirement length you was put on its start date is from the 06/12/2019. In regard to the reporting; and I am not trying to sound critical of the "authorities", but it is PR. All I can say is that in my experience and those I have provided emotional support to over the years, the wording you quote is typical. For example I informed them I had met a female whilst I was visiting my father if Thailand - not a sex worker. In the pre-sentence report that went to the Judge it said I was involved in sex trafficking because I admitted to buying her meals!! Though later they verbally apologised, it was to late as it had already had the effect they desired. Another way to understand the motive behind their words is to look at the wording of the charges made by the Police. They are designed to have maximum impact to gain support from a Jury, Judge, media and society to get a conviction. My advice is read and "really understand" what they have written and try to understand it from their's and the victims prospective. Forget they are writing about you which will be hard. Once you - in ways - understand the aim of the wording, you know then what "evidence" you need to provide to the "authorities" to change their reporting approach from basically an accusing to supporting style. By "evidence" I mean demonstrating your remorse, your understanding of the emotional impact on your victim(s); remember victim(s) include your family and friends. I am sure you can expand on those examples. I have learnt that it takes time for you to show that the words you use are "not excuses but explanations" so just complaining can be counter productive. If you wish to complain do it by actions not words. You are at the beginning of a very emotional journey. The first point you must go through is your acceptance you cannot change what has happened. Accept that in your manner and the actions you do today: then tomorrow you will start a little wiser and possibly the beginnings of contentment will start to ease the emotional stress. Remember if you cannot be a friend to yourself, how can you be a friend to anyone else. Good luck and we are always around if you need any support. Thanks for chiming in again, JASB. Overall I'm feeling in a much more positive and better mental position than I have been during the whole last year or so. I'm sure you and other posters can vouch for how soul destroying, draining and daunting the whole thing can be. I'm happy now I have received my sentence and I can start to rebuild. I actually doing the online modules through Stop It Now yesterday. This isn't a requirement from the court, this is something I've looked into off my own back. I will definitely be sticking around here and hoping I can help someone in the future. Everyone on this forum has been fantastic, helpful and supportive. It's great to get a third party view on it. Sometimes advice you can get from your friends/family can be a little biased for obvious reasons so to get impartial feedback can really change your outlook on certain aspects.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xHi peeps! - 120 Hours community payback order (would've been 200 but accounting for the early plea) over a 6 month period
- I have to take part in the Moving Forward, Making Changes program which runs for 3 years
- I will also be subject to the register notification requirements for those 3 years
- I have a review in 3 months to make sure I'm keeping my nose clean and abiding by everything as the judge doesn't think I'll actually take part in any of this - I'm happy to prove him wrong!
So all things considered, a pretty good result I think.
This is great news. I would be wary of the 3 years SOR requirements though. That reads to me as if it should be 5 years? Don't forget he is in Scotland, where the law is slightly different. The law, as applied in Scotland, says the notification period runs until the end of the community payback order. That has no relation to the amount of work, just the supervision requirement. You might think that would be the 6 months relating to the unpaid work, but as the other stuff is involved, that should take it out to 3 years. From down here in England, that result looks even better. As for when it's spent, if he was given a SOPO, it's spent at the end of the SOPO, as in England. If there was no SOPO, then the law appears to say it's spent after...12 months. You're spot on with it. The 3 years is related to the Moving Forward, Making Changes program which I'm taking part in. That runs for 3 years. I did get them to confirm that. One thing they couldn't confirm though was the potential for "time spent". As I've already been on the register for a few months now from when I pled guilty if it would count towards the 3 years. So I'm unsure about that. It would shave I think about 4 months or so off from it though but I honestly can't see it. All things considered I'm pretty happy with the 3 year portion as in the grand scheme of things it isn't overly long. Time on the SOR is normally measured from the first time you signed on at a police station. It's all in the law under "relevant date", and for a community sentence, the relevant date is the date of conviction, not sentencing. Okay. So if I'm understanding correctly. - I first signed up all the paperwork at the station on 06/12/2019.
- I received my sentencing on 10/02/2020
Would be notification requirements cease on 06/12/2022?
I have since been in to update them with various bits and bobs but it is from that initial date and not my sentencing date?
I'm also curious if it is worth putting in a complaint given by the Social Work as it was heavily pushed in the newspapers follow up this week about how in the report I seemingly only care and spoke about myself. I'm awestruck at that. How else am I supposed to come across when all your questions were actually about me? There was no mention in the report of all the charity and community work I mentioned that I've done for years both in raising money, donating money and a lot of my time too.
Feels like they wanted to create this villainous boogey man. Moving forward it looks like this social work person that did the report will be dealing with me moving forward which I don't feel comfortable about now, which is a shame as I felt really comfortable working with them before but I feel like a huge betrayal of trust and I strongly feel they will not be impartial moving forward with any future reports.
I also don't want to come across as being difficult, which I'm sure would go down in the report too.
Hi Whatever SOR requirement length you was put on its start date is from the 06/12/2019. In regard to the reporting; and I am not trying to sound critical of the "authorities", but it is PR. All I can say is that in my experience and those I have provided emotional support to over the years, the wording you quote is typical. For example I informed them I had met a female whilst I was visiting my father if Thailand - not a sex worker. In the pre-sentence report that went to the Judge it said I was involved in sex trafficking because I admitted to buying her meals!! Though later they verbally apologised, it was to late as it had already had the effect they desired. Another way to understand the motive behind their words is to look at the wording of the charges made by the Police. They are designed to have maximum impact to gain support from a Jury, Judge, media and society to get a conviction. My advice is read and "really understand" what they have written and try to understand it from their's and the victims prospective. Forget they are writing about you which will be hard. Once you - in ways - understand the aim of the wording, you know then what "evidence" you need to provide to the "authorities" to change their reporting approach from basically an accusing to supporting style. By "evidence" I mean demonstrating your remorse, your understanding of the emotional impact on your victim(s); remember victim(s) include your family and friends. I am sure you can expand on those examples. I have learnt that it takes time for you to show that the words you use are "not excuses but explanations" so just complaining can be counter productive. If you wish to complain do it by actions not words. You are at the beginning of a very emotional journey. The first point you must go through is your acceptance you cannot change what has happened. Accept that in your manner and the actions you do today: then tomorrow you will start a little wiser and possibly the beginnings of contentment will start to ease the emotional stress. Remember if you cannot be a friend to yourself, how can you be a friend to anyone else. Good luck and we are always around if you need any support.
Society suggests I must let go of all my expectations but I disagree, as whilst I have a voice, I have hope.
Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope is for tomorrow else what is left if you remove a mans hope.
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+x+x+x+x+xHi peeps! I thought I would just chime in and let you all know how I got on. - 120 Hours community payback order (would've been 200 but accounting for the early plea) over a 6 month period
- I have to take part in the Moving Forward, Making Changes program which runs for 3 years
- I will also be subject to the register notification requirements for those 3 years
- I have a review in 3 months to make sure I'm keeping my nose clean and abiding by everything as the judge doesn't think I'll actually take part in any of this - I'm happy to prove him wrong!
So all things considered, a pretty good result I think.
This is great news. I would be wary of the 3 years SOR requirements though. That reads to me as if it should be 5 years? Don't forget he is in Scotland, where the law is slightly different. The law, as applied in Scotland, says the notification period runs until the end of the community payback order. That has no relation to the amount of work, just the supervision requirement. You might think that would be the 6 months relating to the unpaid work, but as the other stuff is involved, that should take it out to 3 years. From down here in England, that result looks even better. As for when it's spent, if he was given a SOPO, it's spent at the end of the SOPO, as in England. If there was no SOPO, then the law appears to say it's spent after...12 months. You're spot on with it. The 3 years is related to the Moving Forward, Making Changes program which I'm taking part in. That runs for 3 years. I did get them to confirm that. One thing they couldn't confirm though was the potential for "time spent". As I've already been on the register for a few months now from when I pled guilty if it would count towards the 3 years. So I'm unsure about that. It would shave I think about 4 months or so off from it though but I honestly can't see it. All things considered I'm pretty happy with the 3 year portion as in the grand scheme of things it isn't overly long. Time on the SOR is normally measured from the first time you signed on at a police station. It's all in the law under "relevant date", and for a community sentence, the relevant date is the date of conviction, not sentencing. Okay. So if I'm understanding correctly. - I first signed up all the paperwork at the station on 06/12/2019.
- I received my sentencing on 10/02/2020
Would be notification requirements cease on 06/12/2022?
I have since been in to update them with various bits and bobs but it is from that initial date and not my sentencing date?
I'm also curious if it is worth putting in a complaint given by the Social Work as it was heavily pushed in the newspapers follow up this week about how in the report I seemingly only care and spoke about myself. I'm awestruck at that. How else am I supposed to come across when all your questions were actually about me? There was no mention in the report of all the charity and community work I mentioned that I've done for years both in raising money, donating money and a lot of my time too.
Feels like they wanted to create this villainous boogey man. Moving forward it looks like this social work person that did the report will be dealing with me moving forward which I don't feel comfortable about now, which is a shame as I felt really comfortable working with them before but I feel like a huge betrayal of trust and I strongly feel they will not be impartial moving forward with any future reports.
I also don't want to come across as being difficult, which I'm sure would go down in the report too.
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+x+x+x+xHi peeps! I thought I would just chime in and let you all know how I got on. - 120 Hours community payback order (would've been 200 but accounting for the early plea) over a 6 month period
- I have to take part in the Moving Forward, Making Changes program which runs for 3 years
- I will also be subject to the register notification requirements for those 3 years
- I have a review in 3 months to make sure I'm keeping my nose clean and abiding by everything as the judge doesn't think I'll actually take part in any of this - I'm happy to prove him wrong!
So all things considered, a pretty good result I think.
This is great news. I would be wary of the 3 years SOR requirements though. That reads to me as if it should be 5 years? Don't forget he is in Scotland, where the law is slightly different. The law, as applied in Scotland, says the notification period runs until the end of the community payback order. That has no relation to the amount of work, just the supervision requirement. You might think that would be the 6 months relating to the unpaid work, but as the other stuff is involved, that should take it out to 3 years. From down here in England, that result looks even better. As for when it's spent, if he was given a SOPO, it's spent at the end of the SOPO, as in England. If there was no SOPO, then the law appears to say it's spent after...12 months. You're spot on with it. The 3 years is related to the Moving Forward, Making Changes program which I'm taking part in. That runs for 3 years. I did get them to confirm that. One thing they couldn't confirm though was the potential for "time spent". As I've already been on the register for a few months now from when I pled guilty if it would count towards the 3 years. So I'm unsure about that. It would shave I think about 4 months or so off from it though but I honestly can't see it. All things considered I'm pretty happy with the 3 year portion as in the grand scheme of things it isn't overly long. Hi AB2014 is perfectly correct. I was on bail for a further 12 mths AFTER I pleaded guilty and first signed on 2 days later. Do be aware that, as happened in my case, my PPU officer assumed I was put on the SOR and went inside on the same day which was wrong - he had not read my file as I was sentenced a year later. Keep copies of all paperwork. I had to show him both the Court papers and my copy of the first signing on to prove dates.
Society suggests I must let go of all my expectations but I disagree, as whilst I have a voice, I have hope.
Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope is for tomorrow else what is left if you remove a mans hope.
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+x+x+x+xHi peeps! I thought I would just chime in and let you all know how I got on. - 120 Hours community payback order (would've been 200 but accounting for the early plea) over a 6 month period
- I have to take part in the Moving Forward, Making Changes program which runs for 3 years
- I will also be subject to the register notification requirements for those 3 years
- I have a review in 3 months to make sure I'm keeping my nose clean and abiding by everything as the judge doesn't think I'll actually take part in any of this - I'm happy to prove him wrong!
So all things considered, a pretty good result I think.
This is great news. I would be wary of the 3 years SOR requirements though. That reads to me as if it should be 5 years? Don't forget he is in Scotland, where the law is slightly different. The law, as applied in Scotland, says the notification period runs until the end of the community payback order. That has no relation to the amount of work, just the supervision requirement. You might think that would be the 6 months relating to the unpaid work, but as the other stuff is involved, that should take it out to 3 years. From down here in England, that result looks even better. As for when it's spent, if he was given a SOPO, it's spent at the end of the SOPO, as in England. If there was no SOPO, then the law appears to say it's spent after...12 months. You're spot on with it. The 3 years is related to the Moving Forward, Making Changes program which I'm taking part in. That runs for 3 years. I did get them to confirm that. One thing they couldn't confirm though was the potential for "time spent". As I've already been on the register for a few months now from when I pled guilty if it would count towards the 3 years. So I'm unsure about that. It would shave I think about 4 months or so off from it though but I honestly can't see it. All things considered I'm pretty happy with the 3 year portion as in the grand scheme of things it isn't overly long. Time on the SOR is normally measured from the first time you signed on at a police station. It's all in the law under "relevant date", and for a community sentence, the relevant date is the date of conviction, not sentencing.
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+x+x+xHi peeps! I thought I would just chime in and let you all know how I got on. Today was my sentencing and thankfully no custodial sentence! - 120 Hours community payback order (would've been 200 but accounting for the early plea) over a 6 month period
- I have to take part in the Moving Forward, Making Changes program which runs for 3 years
- I will also be subject to the register notification requirements for those 3 years
- I have a review in 3 months to make sure I'm keeping my nose clean and abiding by everything as the judge doesn't think I'll actually take part in any of this - I'm happy to prove him wrong!
So all things considered, a pretty good result I think.
This is great news. I would be wary of the 3 years SOR requirements though. That reads to me as if it should be 5 years? Don't forget he is in Scotland, where the law is slightly different. The law, as applied in Scotland, says the notification period runs until the end of the community payback order. That has no relation to the amount of work, just the supervision requirement. You might think that would be the 6 months relating to the unpaid work, but as the other stuff is involved, that should take it out to 3 years. From down here in England, that result looks even better. As for when it's spent, if he was given a SOPO, it's spent at the end of the SOPO, as in England. If there was no SOPO, then the law appears to say it's spent after...12 months. You're spot on with it. The 3 years is related to the Moving Forward, Making Changes program which I'm taking part in. That runs for 3 years. I did get them to confirm that. One thing they couldn't confirm though was the potential for "time spent". As I've already been on the register for a few months now from when I pled guilty if it would count towards the 3 years. So I'm unsure about that. It would shave I think about 4 months or so off from it though but I honestly can't see it. All things considered I'm pretty happy with the 3 year portion as in the grand scheme of things it isn't overly long.
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+x+x+xHi peeps! I thought I would just chime in and let you all know how I got on. Today was my sentencing and thankfully no custodial sentence! - 120 Hours community payback order (would've been 200 but accounting for the early plea) over a 6 month period
- I have to take part in the Moving Forward, Making Changes program which runs for 3 years
- I will also be subject to the register notification requirements for those 3 years
- I have a review in 3 months to make sure I'm keeping my nose clean and abiding by everything as the judge doesn't think I'll actually take part in any of this - I'm happy to prove him wrong!
So all things considered, a pretty good result I think.
This is great news. I would be wary of the 3 years SOR requirements though. That reads to me as if it should be 5 years? Don't forget he is in Scotland, where the law is slightly different. The law, as applied in Scotland, says the notification period runs until the end of the community payback order. That has no relation to the amount of work, just the supervision requirement. You might think that would be the 6 months relating to the unpaid work, but as the other stuff is involved, that should take it out to 3 years. From down here in England, that result looks even better. As for when it's spent, if he was given a SOPO, it's spent at the end of the SOPO, as in England. If there was no SOPO, then the law appears to say it's spent after...12 months. Well spotted! Good for him.
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+x+xHi peeps! I thought I would just chime in and let you all know how I got on. Today was my sentencing and thankfully no custodial sentence! Reading the social work report was pretty grim as they totally twisted a lot of my words and it came across as a less than stellar report of myself but we managed to clear up some of the things they said which is good. - 120 Hours community payback order (would've been 200 but accounting for the early plea) over a 6 month period
- I have to take part in the Moving Forward, Making Changes program which runs for 3 years
- I will also be subject to the register notification requirements for those 3 years
- I have a review in 3 months to make sure I'm keeping my nose clean and abiding by everything as the judge doesn't think I'll actually take part in any of this - I'm happy to prove him wrong!
So all things considered, a pretty good result I think.
This is great news. I would be wary of the 3 years SOR requirements though. That reads to me as if it should be 5 years? Don't forget he is in Scotland, where the law is slightly different. The law, as applied in Scotland, says the notification period runs until the end of the community payback order. That has no relation to the amount of work, just the supervision requirement. You might think that would be the 6 months relating to the unpaid work, but as the other stuff is involved, that should take it out to 3 years. From down here in England, that result looks even better. As for when it's spent, if he was given a SOPO, it's spent at the end of the SOPO, as in England. If there was no SOPO, then the law appears to say it's spent after...12 months.
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+xHi peeps! I thought I would just chime in and let you all know how I got on. Today was my sentencing and thankfully no custodial sentence! Reading the social work report was pretty grim as they totally twisted a lot of my words and it came across as a less than stellar report of myself but we managed to clear up some of the things they said which is good. If anyone is interested my sentence is: - 120 Hours community payback order (would've been 200 but accounting for the early plea) over a 6 month period
- I have to take part in the Moving Forward, Making Changes program which runs for 3 years
- I will also be subject to the register notification requirements for those 3 years
- I have a review in 3 months to make sure I'm keeping my nose clean and abiding by everything as the judge doesn't think I'll actually take part in any of this - I'm happy to prove him wrong!
So all things considered, a pretty good result I think.
This is great news. I would be wary of the 3 years SOR requirements though. That reads to me as if it should be 5 years?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHi peeps! - 120 Hours community payback order (would've been 200 but accounting for the early plea) over a 6 month period
- I have to take part in the Moving Forward, Making Changes program which runs for 3 years
- I will also be subject to the register notification requirements for those 3 years
- I have a review in 3 months to make sure I'm keeping my nose clean and abiding by everything as the judge doesn't think I'll actually take part in any of this - I'm happy to prove him wrong!
So all things considered, a pretty good result I think.
I hesitate to say "Congratulations", but it does sound like some common sense was applied. Let's hope your compliance will make the judge think again about his attitude. You shouldn't be surprised by the approach of social workers when writing reports - that seems to be standard practice. However, as you'll now be dealing with social workers, let's hope they apply some common sense as well. The main comment with the social work which jumped out was relating to the possibility of a custodial sentence and my response to it. They stated that I showed a lack of respect to the court/justice system in my response. Thankfully the judge saw through that and understood my answer for what it was. I was asked (after the questionnaire was completed): Social Work - "So if you do get a custodial sentence would you look to appeal it?" Me - "Well, yeah probably. I mean when you look at my crime and compare it to others of similar nature in the area, all of which never received a custodial sentence I think it'd be a bit disproportionate" Social Work Report - Khafka proclaimed that he would appeal any custodial sentence which to me shows a lack of acceptance of his crime and a lack of respect for the court system So yeah, that didn't paint me in a great light and considering the report questions were done I feel a bit aggrieved it made its way into the report regardless. Out of curiosity - For future social work reports am I allowed to record them too. An audio recording just in case something like this happens again. I'd say that if they record any meetings, you can either record as well, or make a Freedom of Information request for a copy of the recording. If they don't record, but just take notes, then you can take your own notes, and you can probably ask for a copy of theirs, or at least the relevant entries on your file. They might make a fuss, but Freedom of Information does what it says on the tin, and the Information Commissioner in Scotland should be happy to explain it to them if they don't comply. Hi In general terms and in regard as to asking for copies of their reports, you may find a readable and full version may be difficult and only supplied to a solicitor to maintain any delicate confidentialities - the offender is not allowed to see. Also the main reason I have always be told is to protect individuals e.g. victims and authorities in case of offender "responses" You may well have been told that, as some of them will use any excuse. However, that is what redaction is for. Freedom of Information is still a legal right and obligation. Hi Agree but I suppose I am just suggesting that "redaction" will probably be used on the elements most vital for the case. LOL That may well be the case, and is another tactic they would find appealing. However, they are only allowed to redact information that would identify another person, and I'm sure the ICO would be interested in anyone using any tactics to thwart Freedom of Information.
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If you are to punish a man retributively you must injure him. If you are to reform him you must improve him. And men are not improved by injuries. (George Bernard Shaw)
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