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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xMy understanding is that you have to request the individual search engines to de-list you under the EU "right to be forgotten" ruling. If they don't, then that is when you make a complaint to the ICO. Happy to be corrected as I'm hoping to make a similar request in a year and a half. Indeed it is. I have spoken to google previously and they gave a very generic response which again was part of my argument. I have made the complaint to the ICO already and it is being looked into, As I say they emailed asking for evidence of the search results listed as a search of my name only got back 1 result in the first 6 pages (the other results are on pages from 8/9/10) and I was confused as to why it matters what page they are on. As I say I cant find any information or case studies relating to the relevance of what page the results are listen on. I'm not sure the answer. You could send them a screendump with the offending articles circled. Where results appear in the list changes all the time, indeed it is affected by where you are located and if you are logged in. If you are in a particular city results about that city may rank higher. For those reasons I don't think they should discard the seriousness of how low the results are ranking, as that can easily change. And that is something you could point out to them. However, they may argue that most people do not go past the first few pages, so it is less serious. I don't know, that is just a guess of their mindset, or they are simply too lazy to click through the results and evaluate your case properly. It may be that the results rank much higher if someone searches on your name and the city where you live. I'm not sure if they can or do take that into account though? You need to fill this form in: https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/legal-removal-request?complaint_type=rtbf&hl=en&rd=1 As I say I've completed the process and the complaint is currently with ICO. My question is around the ICO's question to me about the search results only returning 1 result in the first 6 pages and the rest being over pages 8/9/10 and its relevance i.e why it would matter what page the results were on and any case law around this. When you completed the form did you get any reply from google? I'll dig out the paperwork and see what they told me. I did yes and they said "Having assessed the balance of relevant rights and interests relating to the content in question, including factors such as its relevance to your professional life, Google has decided not to block this content" which is total nonsense. So when I got that response I then replied and said thanks for the email and update however can you provide me with further reasoning as the reason provided is generic and shows very little if any consideration has been applied. I then got back a email which said "We have received and reviewed your complaint. At this time, Google has decided not to take action based on our policies concerning content removal. As always, we encourage you to resolve any disputes directly with the owner of the website in question."
I don't believe for one minute google looks into these cases properly and assess each one of their merits. The very generic replies say it all in my eyes its just a shame no legal firm or budding young solicitor picks this issue up and runs with it as I really believe given a little time and effort a very strong case could be brought against google (and others search engines). They seem to hide behind the public interest or public safety catch all cover time and time again. Wow! I need to reread, but from what I understand you can't even appeal it!? How is that even right? You could also apply to the data controller of the website holding the data, but that is so wrong! I dont care what you did, the way i see it is if you want it removing then you have every right to have it removed.
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Whilst I empathise with your situation, any delisting also involves them notifying the original web page owner that the page is being delisted. I know some local papers who have made the delisting request the subject of a new news story. That is beyond the right to be forgotten legislation and they are legally within their rights to do so. The story that a search on my name leads to is wrong. It is wrong on a factual basis and wrong on a journalistic basis. However, I took the decision to avoid the Streisand Effect. Others are obviously entitled to fight their own corner in whichever way they see fit, but collateral damage from being "right" isn't always a price worth paying.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xMy understanding is that you have to request the individual search engines to de-list you under the EU "right to be forgotten" ruling. If they don't, then that is when you make a complaint to the ICO. Happy to be corrected as I'm hoping to make a similar request in a year and a half. Indeed it is. I have spoken to google previously and they gave a very generic response which again was part of my argument. I have made the complaint to the ICO already and it is being looked into, As I say they emailed asking for evidence of the search results listed as a search of my name only got back 1 result in the first 6 pages (the other results are on pages from 8/9/10) and I was confused as to why it matters what page they are on. As I say I cant find any information or case studies relating to the relevance of what page the results are listen on. I'm not sure the answer. You could send them a screendump with the offending articles circled. Where results appear in the list changes all the time, indeed it is affected by where you are located and if you are logged in. If you are in a particular city results about that city may rank higher. For those reasons I don't think they should discard the seriousness of how low the results are ranking, as that can easily change. And that is something you could point out to them. However, they may argue that most people do not go past the first few pages, so it is less serious. I don't know, that is just a guess of their mindset, or they are simply too lazy to click through the results and evaluate your case properly. It may be that the results rank much higher if someone searches on your name and the city where you live. I'm not sure if they can or do take that into account though? You need to fill this form in: https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/legal-removal-request?complaint_type=rtbf&hl=en&rd=1 As I say I've completed the process and the complaint is currently with ICO. My question is around the ICO's question to me about the search results only returning 1 result in the first 6 pages and the rest being over pages 8/9/10 and its relevance i.e why it would matter what page the results were on and any case law around this. When you completed the form did you get any reply from google? I'll dig out the paperwork and see what they told me. I did yes and they said "Having assessed the balance of relevant rights and interests relating to the content in question, including factors such as its relevance to your professional life, Google has decided not to block this content" which is total nonsense. So when I got that response I then replied and said thanks for the email and update however can you provide me with further reasoning as the reason provided is generic and shows very little if any consideration has been applied. I then got back a email which said "We have received and reviewed your complaint. At this time, Google has decided not to take action based on our policies concerning content removal. As always, we encourage you to resolve any disputes directly with the owner of the website in question."
I don't believe for one minute google looks into these cases properly and assess each one of their merits. The very generic replies say it all in my eyes its just a shame no legal firm or budding young solicitor picks this issue up and runs with it as I really believe given a little time and effort a very strong case could be brought against google (and others search engines). They seem to hide behind the public interest or public safety catch all cover time and time again.
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+x+x+x+x+xMy understanding is that you have to request the individual search engines to de-list you under the EU "right to be forgotten" ruling. If they don't, then that is when you make a complaint to the ICO. Happy to be corrected as I'm hoping to make a similar request in a year and a half. Indeed it is. I have spoken to google previously and they gave a very generic response which again was part of my argument. I have made the complaint to the ICO already and it is being looked into, As I say they emailed asking for evidence of the search results listed as a search of my name only got back 1 result in the first 6 pages (the other results are on pages from 8/9/10) and I was confused as to why it matters what page they are on. As I say I cant find any information or case studies relating to the relevance of what page the results are listen on. I'm not sure the answer. You could send them a screendump with the offending articles circled. Where results appear in the list changes all the time, indeed it is affected by where you are located and if you are logged in. If you are in a particular city results about that city may rank higher. For those reasons I don't think they should discard the seriousness of how low the results are ranking, as that can easily change. And that is something you could point out to them. However, they may argue that most people do not go past the first few pages, so it is less serious. I don't know, that is just a guess of their mindset, or they are simply too lazy to click through the results and evaluate your case properly. It may be that the results rank much higher if someone searches on your name and the city where you live. I'm not sure if they can or do take that into account though? You need to fill this form in: https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/legal-removal-request?complaint_type=rtbf&hl=en&rd=1 As I say I've completed the process and the complaint is currently with ICO. My question is around the ICO's question to me about the search results only returning 1 result in the first 6 pages and the rest being over pages 8/9/10 and its relevance i.e why it would matter what page the results were on and any case law around this. When you completed the form did you get any reply from google? I'll dig out the paperwork and see what they told me.
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Maybe I've not been clear. I've submitted the request to google and they told me to jog on basically. I've also filed a complaint with the ICO who are currently looking into the matter however I received an email with the follow statement... "I have carried out a Google search and the first six pages return only the following result: http:/website address Please can you confirm if the remaining URLs have now been delisted? If so, can you provide us with a copy of some of the correspondencethat confirms this, perhaps from the site x or site y, for example."
Its the "I have carried out a Google search and the first six pages return only the following result:" part that I am talking about as when I done my research and read up on this subject at no point did I come across any material that stated the search result had to be in any amount of pages. So it got me wondering if I've missing anything that any person can throw some light on this issue prior to receiving further correspondence from the ICO.
I have already replied to the email with screen shots of each relevant page for their information so it is purely the comment about the first six pages that has got me thinking / worried.
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+x+x+x+xMy understanding is that you have to request the individual search engines to de-list you under the EU "right to be forgotten" ruling. If they don't, then that is when you make a complaint to the ICO. Happy to be corrected as I'm hoping to make a similar request in a year and a half. Indeed it is. I have spoken to google previously and they gave a very generic response which again was part of my argument. I have made the complaint to the ICO already and it is being looked into, As I say they emailed asking for evidence of the search results listed as a search of my name only got back 1 result in the first 6 pages (the other results are on pages from 8/9/10) and I was confused as to why it matters what page they are on. As I say I cant find any information or case studies relating to the relevance of what page the results are listen on. I'm not sure the answer. You could send them a screendump with the offending articles circled. Where results appear in the list changes all the time, indeed it is affected by where you are located and if you are logged in. If you are in a particular city results about that city may rank higher. For those reasons I don't think they should discard the seriousness of how low the results are ranking, as that can easily change. And that is something you could point out to them. However, they may argue that most people do not go past the first few pages, so it is less serious. I don't know, that is just a guess of their mindset, or they are simply too lazy to click through the results and evaluate your case properly. It may be that the results rank much higher if someone searches on your name and the city where you live. I'm not sure if they can or do take that into account though? You need to fill this form in: https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/legal-removal-request?complaint_type=rtbf&hl=en&rd=1 As I say I've completed the process and the complaint is currently with ICO. My question is around the ICO's question to me about the search results only returning 1 result in the first 6 pages and the rest being over pages 8/9/10 and its relevance i.e why it would matter what page the results were on and any case law around this.
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+x+x+xMy understanding is that you have to request the individual search engines to de-list you under the EU "right to be forgotten" ruling. If they don't, then that is when you make a complaint to the ICO. Happy to be corrected as I'm hoping to make a similar request in a year and a half. Indeed it is. I have spoken to google previously and they gave a very generic response which again was part of my argument. I have made the complaint to the ICO already and it is being looked into, As I say they emailed asking for evidence of the search results listed as a search of my name only got back 1 result in the first 6 pages (the other results are on pages from 8/9/10) and I was confused as to why it matters what page they are on. As I say I cant find any information or case studies relating to the relevance of what page the results are listen on. I'm not sure the answer. You could send them a screendump with the offending articles circled. Where results appear in the list changes all the time, indeed it is affected by where you are located and if you are logged in. If you are in a particular city results about that city may rank higher. For those reasons I don't think they should discard the seriousness of how low the results are ranking, as that can easily change. And that is something you could point out to them. However, they may argue that most people do not go past the first few pages, so it is less serious. I don't know, that is just a guess of their mindset, or they are simply too lazy to click through the results and evaluate your case properly. It may be that the results rank much higher if someone searches on your name and the city where you live. I'm not sure if they can or do take that into account though? You need to fill this form in: https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/legal-removal-request?complaint_type=rtbf&hl=en&rd=1
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+x+xMy understanding is that you have to request the individual search engines to de-list you under the EU "right to be forgotten" ruling. If they don't, then that is when you make a complaint to the ICO. Happy to be corrected as I'm hoping to make a similar request in a year and a half. Indeed it is. I have spoken to google previously and they gave a very generic response which again was part of my argument. I have made the complaint to the ICO already and it is being looked into, As I say they emailed asking for evidence of the search results listed as a search of my name only got back 1 result in the first 6 pages (the other results are on pages from 8/9/10) and I was confused as to why it matters what page they are on. As I say I cant find any information or case studies relating to the relevance of what page the results are listen on. You need to fill this form in: https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/legal-removal-request?complaint_type=rtbf&hl=en&rd=1
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+xI accept what I done was stupid and should never of taken place however it's not criminal. Forget criminality. Because I had a bit of "notoriety" before my conviction, there were a few newspaper articles on me about some inappropriate tweets I had made. In context there was nothing wrong with them, but some people took offence hence the news items. They caused me to lose several job applications, so nothing to do with spent convictions. That is the world we live in now.
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+x+x+xMy understanding is that you have to request the individual search engines to de-list you under the EU "right to be forgotten" ruling. If they don't, then that is when you make a complaint to the ICO. Happy to be corrected as I'm hoping to make a similar request in a year and a half. Indeed it is. I have spoken to google previously and they gave a very generic response which again was part of my argument. I have made the complaint to the ICO already and it is being looked into, As I say they emailed asking for evidence of the search results listed as a search of my name only got back 1 result in the first 6 pages (the other results are on pages from 8/9/10) and I was confused as to why it matters what page they are on. As I say I cant find any information or case studies relating to the relevance of what page the results are listen on. I'm not sure the answer. You could send them a screendump with the offending articles circled. Where results appear in the list changes all the time, indeed it is affected by where you are located and if you are logged in. If you are in a particular city results about that city may rank higher. For those reasons I don't think they should discard the seriousness of how low the results are ranking, as that can easily change. And that is something you could point out to them. However, they may argue that most people do not go past the first few pages, so it is less serious. I don't know, that is just a guess of their mindset, or they are simply too lazy to click through the results and evaluate your case properly. It may be that the results rank much higher if someone searches on your name and the city where you live. I'm not sure if they can or do take that into account though? Thanks for the reply. I just find it very odd that they would mention the "first 6 pages". Maybe I am over thinking it however this incident has in all intense and purposes ruined a life I spent years building and in the blink of an eye it's gone. I accept what I done was stupid and should never of taken place however it's not criminal. It's funny I spent years dealing with people with convictions from murder all the way down to petty theft but I always made a point of dealing with them how I found them not on their past mistakes or circumstances and here I am asking an organisation to help me not be judged on a past mistake.
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