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+x+xYou are complicating issues . " Does this mean you can never visit a country EVER because of viewing internet porn ?" is no if it is simply " internet porn ". However , it is a hard yes in the US if it is underage porn .& nbsp ; If you want to go the full " I ' m saying no " to everything then the chances are that a foreign country will have no access to your criminal records .& nbsp ; But if you are still subject to SOR / SHPO then your PPO could flag your passport if you tell them you plan to travel abroad . If you don ' t tell them you will be guilty of a breach . Once an order is over , then it is a lottery but not a criminal offence in the UK People here are meant to be law abiding citizens with a criminal record . I would never suggest that people still under an order take a chance with lying . It ' s a moot point about what an individual can do once an offence in the UK is legally spent . I can ' t tell you what to do in your own personal circumstance , You & nbsp ; misunderstand me . I will not lie within the SOR / SHPO period . No way . Never want to go to USA and my CPO will not issue a green notice on any travel I have as I feel that he knows me well enough . When my passport has no flag on it once I am finished with my 10 years SOP I hope I can travel to more countries if I choose . I am lawa abiding and would never step over the line . It simply will destroy me .& nbsp ; It is not your local officer who decides whether to issue a green notice . The information they provide is passed to the force ' s HQ , which is then passed on to ( I think ) the National Crime Agency , or maybe ACRO or the Home Office . The decision is taken at one of those higher levels . I ' m sure I read that on here in a different thread . Anyway , don ' t assume that because your local contact has a realistic assessment of you that others will share that view . By all means test the waters with a country where you aren ' t obliged to disclose , and see what happens . The risk assessment will include your destination , so some countries might automatically lead to a green notice , regardless of any assessments of you . As Was quite rightly said , the only link between foreign countries and your criminal record is the police . Once you notify the police of your intention to travel abroad , you bring that link into play and you shouldn ' t assume that somebody at a higher level of authority won ' t issue an alert .
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If you are to punish a man retributively you must injure him. If you are to reform him you must improve him. And men are not improved by injuries. (George Bernard Shaw)
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+xYou are complicating issues . " Does this mean you can never visit a country EVER because of viewing internet porn ?" is no if it is simply " internet porn ". However , it is a hard yes in the US if it is underage porn .& nbsp ; If you want to go the full " I ' m saying no " to everything then the chances are that a foreign country will have no access to your criminal records .& nbsp ; But if you are still subject to SOR / SHPO then your PPO could flag your passport if you tell them you plan to travel abroad . If you don ' t tell them you will be guilty of a breach . Once an order is over , then it is a lottery but not a criminal offence in the UK People here are meant to be law abiding citizens with a criminal record . I would never suggest that people still under an order take a chance with lying . It ' s a moot point about what an individual can do once an offence in the UK is legally spent . I can ' t tell you what to do in your own personal circumstance , You & nbsp ; misunderstand me . I will not lie within the SOR / SHPO period . No way . Never want to go to USA and my CPO will not issue a green notice on any travel I have as I feel that he knows me well enough . When my passport has no flag on it once I am finished with my 10 years SOP I hope I can travel to more countries if I choose . I am lawa abiding and would never step over the line . It simply will destroy me .& nbsp ;
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You are complicating issues. "Does this mean you can never visit a country EVER because of viewing internet porn?" is no if it is simply "internet porn". However, it is a hard yes in the US if it is underage porn.
If you want to go the full "I'm saying no" to everything then the chances are that a foreign country will have no access to your criminal records.
But if you are still subject to SOR/SHPO then your PPO could flag your passport if you tell them you plan to travel abroad. If you don't tell them you will be guilty of a breach. Once an order is over, then it is a lottery but not a criminal offence in the UK
People here are meant to be law abiding citizens with a criminal record. I would never suggest that people still under an order take a chance with lying. It's a moot point about what an individual can do once an offence in the UK is legally spent. I can't tell you what to do in your own personal circumstance,
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+x+xSo we are told we do not have to disclose our previous life once the conviction is spent . That is in the UK , so what about visiting other countries ? I recently posted about visiting a beautiful lady in Uganda , only to discover the visa asks if i have previously been refused entry or have a criminal conviction in the past . I was refused entry to the Philippines & nbsp ; and New Zealand ( as posted a few times ) and have a conviction ( 4 years left of my 10 years .) So would I be breaking other countries rules by not admitting to them as it was in the past and now Spent ? As for the refused entry would they know if I said no ? What is anyones understanding of the legal situation of all this ? It certainly is not clear . For the UK yes , but not for other countries As I understand it , the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974 only applies in England & amp ; Wales these days , although travel to Scotland , Northern Ireland , the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man shouldn ' t be a problem . Beyond that , no country has to consider whether a conviction in the UK is spent or rehabilitated . OK , Canada does have to give consideration to whether a UK conviction is spent under the ROA , but they have the power to ignore that if they can justify it .... I did notice that you referred to your 10 years , and if that ' s a 10 - year SOPO or SHPO , then your conviction isn ' t spent until that order ends . If you notify foreign travel to the police , they should do a risk assessment . That might include whether they know you have to disclose to get in , and that might give them leeway to disclose because they can say non - disclosure is immigration fraud . In the specific example of Australia , they have a law banning any foreign national who has been convicted of an offence that involves a child or children . They would also assume that if you want to get into the USA , if you disclose you will be refused , which they can then use to justify disclosing on your behalf and also raising your risk level .... I ' d say wait until the police are no longer involved , then make your own decisions . Yes , that ' s four years away , but once a foreign country is told of your record , they won ' t forget it . Thank you for a good informed reply . I fully understand I have to complete the 10 years SOR and SHPO for non disclosure to the UK , but as I am retired that doesn ' t particularly affect me , only insofar as I can apply to Google to accept " the right to be forgotten " on net searches .& nbsp ; & nbsp ; I have no plans ever to visit the USA or Oz and if I visited a country that asks on the landing form " have you ever been convicted ?" - answering no could be dangerous but how would they know ? Does this mean you can never visit a country EVER because of viewing internet porn ? As for answering " Have you ever been refused ?" - well I did not have the right visa when visiting my daughter to NZ and I guess a green card was issued when I returned to see friends in the Philippines 4 months after visiting ( very unfairly ), so once again , i ask , how would a country know ? Currently I avoid countries that ask these questions , but I was hoping that in 4 years time I could travel freely . 10 years of being free from online child abuse and a totally reformed person , surely counts for something . My CPU officers know me well enough to know I am very anti online child pornography or any child abuse , as I have always been .& nbsp ;
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AB2014
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+xSo we are told we do not have to disclose our previous life once the conviction is spent . That is in the UK , so what about visiting other countries ? I recently posted about visiting a beautiful lady in Uganda , only to discover the visa asks if i have previously been refused entry or have a criminal conviction in the past . I was refused entry to the Philippines & nbsp ; and New Zealand ( as posted a few times ) and have a conviction ( 4 years left of my 10 years .) So would I be breaking other countries rules by not admitting to them as it was in the past and now Spent ? As for the refused entry would they know if I said no ? What is anyones understanding of the legal situation of all this ? It certainly is not clear . For the UK yes , but not for other countries As I understand it , the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974 only applies in England & amp ; Wales these days , although travel to Scotland , Northern Ireland , the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man shouldn ' t be a problem . Beyond that , no country has to consider whether a conviction in the UK is spent or rehabilitated . OK , Canada does have to give consideration to whether a UK conviction is spent under the ROA , but they have the power to ignore that if they can justify it .... I did notice that you referred to your 10 years , and if that ' s a 10 - year SOPO or SHPO , then your conviction isn ' t spent until that order ends . If you notify foreign travel to the police , they should do a risk assessment . That might include whether they know you have to disclose to get in , and that might give them leeway to disclose because they can say non - disclosure is immigration fraud . In the specific example of Australia , they have a law banning any foreign national who has been convicted of an offence that involves a child or children . They would also assume that if you want to get into the USA , if you disclose you will be refused , which they can then use to justify disclosing on your behalf and also raising your risk level .... I ' d say wait until the police are no longer involved , then make your own decisions . Yes , that ' s four years away , but once a foreign country is told of your record , they won ' t forget it .
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If you are to punish a man retributively you must injure him. If you are to reform him you must improve him. And men are not improved by injuries. (George Bernard Shaw)
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So we are told we do not have to disclose our previous life once the conviction is spent. That is in the UK, so what about visiting other countries? I recently posted about visiting a beautiful lady in Uganda, only to discover the visa asks if i have previously been refused entry or have a criminal conviction in the past.
I was refused entry to the Philippines and New Zealand (as posted a few times) and have a conviction (4 years left of my 10 years.) So would I be breaking other countries rules by not admitting to them as it was in the past and now Spent ? As for the refused entry would they know if I said no ?
What is anyones understanding of the legal situation of all this? It certainly is not clear. For the UK yes, but not for other countries
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