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Hi , I ’ m looking to get a sanity check to make sure I ’ m not getting my hopes up for getting my life back on track . I got convicted 0 . 5N years ago , I got a suspended sentence , with that I was put on the register and had a SHPO for N years . This is for criminal actions that happened nearly N - 2 years ago , unfortunately it was a very protracted investigation during which time I was unable to get state funded support towards the root causes of the issues and to this day I worry I ’ m unsupported in key ways . ( a ) As I understand it , being half way through my SHPO I am eligible to appeal and if successful my conviction would be spent despite still being on the register ? ( https://unlock.org.uk/advice/information-general-information-sexual-offences/#:~:text=The%20ROA%20and%20notification%20requirements,subject%20to%20the%20notification%20requirements.) ( b ) Assuming my conviction is spent then I believe I don ’ t need to declare my conviction when applying for normal tech related jobs , it also wont show up on a “ Basic ” DBS check ( but will on higher checks )? ( https://unlock.org.uk/advice/convictions-employment-law-2/#:~:text=Seeking%20employment%20with%20a%20spent%20conviction,-The%20general%20rule&text=Once%20your%20conviction%20is%20spent,to%20the%20exceptions%20listed%20below) Am I right about ( a ) and ( b )? I ’ m concerned because my MOSOVO officer stated neither are true . I appreciate any advice people can give .
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you are in fact correct , but of course the police will never admit to this if they can get away with it . If you are beyond the 5 year point with a SHPO active , you are entitled to apply to the courts ( with out permission from the police ) to potentially have it discharged in full . If a SHPO is discharged the conviction would be considered as spent , regardless if you remained on the SOR . In order for a discharge , you must provide evidence to state why you believe the SHPO must be discharged , the main thing the courts will consider first is . Changes in your circumstances ( obtaining work , making new friends , new relationships , steps taken to keep you from re - offending ), issues in which the SHPO prevents you from a change in circumstance ( if the SHPO is preventing you from working and you can prove it , this will go in you ' re favor ) If you are considering taking this step , contact various solicitors and see if they allow legal aid to represent you . Not all solicitors will do this , but some might if you ask . This would mean you get free legal advice to proceed with your application . Other wise you would have to represent your self in court . I applied to have my SHPO discharged 2 years ago , I finally managed it Feb last year after many hearings due to the police failing to show . I was successful because I proved because of my SHPO , it was hindering my ability to not only seek out work , but relevant training to help aid me in to work also . Therefor , the SHPO it ' s self was preventing me from changing my circumstances . It is highly suggested for the best outcome , that police get on board to allow the discharge to happen , but considering the officer told you what you said was not true , It is very unlikely you will get their support in this . However , you could always talk to his superior if you wish . As for DBS checks , You are correct and I believe a basic will not show your convictions that are considered spent , but higher checks will list both unspent and spent convictions.
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+xyou are in fact correct , but of course the police will never admit to this if they can get away with it . If you are beyond the 5 year point with a SHPO active , you are entitled to apply to the courts ( with out permission from the police ) to potentially have it discharged in full . If a SHPO is discharged the conviction would be considered as spent , regardless if you remained on the SOR . In order for a discharge , you must provide evidence to state why you believe the SHPO must be discharged , the main thing the courts will consider first is . Changes in your circumstances ( obtaining work , making new friends , new relationships , steps taken to keep you from re - offending ), issues in which the SHPO prevents you from a change in circumstance ( if the SHPO is preventing you from working and you can prove it , this will go in you ' re favor ) If you are considering taking this step , contact various solicitors and see if they allow legal aid to represent you . Not all solicitors will do this , but some might if you ask . This would mean you get free legal advice to proceed with your application . Other wise you would have to represent your self in court . I applied to have my SHPO discharged 2 years ago , I finally managed it Feb last year after many hearings due to the police failing to show . I was successful because I proved because of my SHPO , it was hindering my ability to not only seek out work , but relevant training to help aid me in to work also . Therefor , the SHPO it ' s self was preventing me from changing my circumstances . It is highly suggested for the best outcome , that police get on board to allow the discharge to happen , but considering the officer told you what you said was not true , It is very unlikely you will get their support in this . However , you could always talk to his superior if you wish . As for DBS checks , You are correct and I believe a basic will not show your convictions that are considered spent , but higher checks will list both unspent and spent convictions. Thanks xDanx, you ' ve basically confirmed what I thought . Obviously I don ' t know if my appeal will be granted , but I think I have a reasonable case , the crime was long before my sentencing and I have an categorical example of a job I got last year where I had 3 interviews and a long application process without being asked about criminal records only to lose the job the first day when they informed me they were going to do a basic DBS check ( after I signed ) and so I proactively disclosed my record to save the paperwork and delay . ( my MOSOVO officer recommending me no disclose if I ' m not asked , but I ' m still questioning my choices there ) I record all interactions I have with the police because of issues with their accuracy and general stating falsehoods , it ' s extremely concerning for me and just adds to my anxiety . I have recorded examples of them stating restriction on my SHPO that it doesn ' t contain and them later admitting they were wrong ( and they failed to inform me , as they said they would ) and such . That kind of management makes me very unsure of what I can / can ' t do which pushes me into being stuck at home alone unemployed and unable to go into public spaces just to ensure I don ’ t go to a “ bad place ” ( actual quote of theirs ). It seems so bizarre to me because those are exactly the circumstances that precipitated my offending in the first place and I just can ' t seem to get myself onto a productive path because of the police . I would consider a complaint to the police department , but this is a consistent issue I ' ve had with every officer I ' d dealt with, so it seems institusional and I can see many ways it could backfire onto me . I assume I would still have a MOSOVO officer while I ' m on the register , even if my conviction was spent ?
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+x+xyou are in fact correct , but of course the police will never admit to this if they can get away with it . If you are beyond the 5 year point with a SHPO active , you are entitled to apply to the courts ( with out permission from the police ) to potentially have it discharged in full . If a SHPO is discharged the conviction would be considered as spent , regardless if you remained on the SOR . In order for a discharge , you must provide evidence to state why you believe the SHPO must be discharged , the main thing the courts will consider first is . Changes in your circumstances ( obtaining work , making new friends , new relationships , steps taken to keep you from re - offending ), issues in which the SHPO prevents you from a change in circumstance ( if the SHPO is preventing you from working and you can prove it , this will go in you ' re favor ) If you are considering taking this step , contact various solicitors and see if they allow legal aid to represent you . Not all solicitors will do this , but some might if you ask . This would mean you get free legal advice to proceed with your application . Other wise you would have to represent your self in court . I applied to have my SHPO discharged 2 years ago , I finally managed it Feb last year after many hearings due to the police failing to show . I was successful because I proved because of my SHPO , it was hindering my ability to not only seek out work , but relevant training to help aid me in to work also . Therefor , the SHPO it ' s self was preventing me from changing my circumstances . It is highly suggested for the best outcome , that police get on board to allow the discharge to happen , but considering the officer told you what you said was not true , It is very unlikely you will get their support in this . However , you could always talk to his superior if you wish . As for DBS checks , You are correct and I believe a basic will not show your convictions that are considered spent , but higher checks will list both unspent and spent convictions. Thanks xDanx, you ' ve basically confirmed what I thought . Obviously I don ' t know if my appeal will be granted , but I think I have a reasonable case , the crime was long before my sentencing and I have an categorical example of a job I got last year where I had 3 interviews and a long application process without being asked about criminal records only to lose the job the first day when they informed me they were going to do a basic DBS check ( after I signed ) and so I proactively disclosed my record to save the paperwork and delay . ( my MOSOVO officer recommending me no disclose if I ' m not asked , but I ' m still questioning my choices there ) I record all interactions I have with the police because of issues with their accuracy and general stating falsehoods , it ' s extremely concerning for me and just adds to my anxiety . I have recorded examples of them stating restriction on my SHPO that it doesn ' t contain and them later admitting they were wrong ( and they failed to inform me , as they said they would ) and such . That kind of management makes me very unsure of what I can / can ' t do which pushes me into being stuck at home alone unemployed and unable to go into public spaces just to ensure I don ’ t go to a “ bad place ” ( actual quote of theirs ). It seems so bizarre to me because those are exactly the circumstances that precipitated my offending in the first place and I just can ' t seem to get myself onto a productive path because of the police . I would consider a complaint to the police department , but this is a consistent issue I ' ve had with every officer I ' d dealt with, so it seems institusional and I can see many ways it could backfire onto me . I assume I would still have a MOSOVO officer while I ' m on the register , even if my conviction was spent ? So far I have had 2 different officers , I am due to get a new one soon I believe . But yes even while on the register with out a SHPO you will still get the visits , however . if you are able to get the SHPO discharged it means you are no longer bound to letting them check your devices , unless you allow them too willingly . I wanted to record all my interactions with them also but I was always never prepared to have something set up to record , fearing that if they noticed my phone was recording for example it would back fire on me . But recording them is 100 % a good move , I have had the officers make up quite a lot of rules which were not on my SHPO . But one thing my first PPU told me has stuck with me , " if it is not written on your SHPO then there is no restriction " Even after successfully discharging my SHPO , I still continue to struggle to find work and training to aid me back in to work due to rejections based on my information still being known and searchable . So although having it removed has lifted a massive weight off my shoulders , there are still challenges to over come .
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+x+x+xyou are in fact correct , but of course the police will never admit to this if they can get away with it . If you are beyond the 5 year point with a SHPO active , you are entitled to apply to the courts ( with out permission from the police ) to potentially have it discharged in full . If a SHPO is discharged the conviction would be considered as spent , regardless if you remained on the SOR . In order for a discharge , you must provide evidence to state why you believe the SHPO must be discharged , the main thing the courts will consider first is . Changes in your circumstances ( obtaining work , making new friends , new relationships , steps taken to keep you from re - offending ), issues in which the SHPO prevents you from a change in circumstance ( if the SHPO is preventing you from working and you can prove it , this will go in you ' re favor ) If you are considering taking this step , contact various solicitors and see if they allow legal aid to represent you . Not all solicitors will do this , but some might if you ask . This would mean you get free legal advice to proceed with your application . Other wise you would have to represent your self in court . I applied to have my SHPO discharged 2 years ago , I finally managed it Feb last year after many hearings due to the police failing to show . I was successful because I proved because of my SHPO , it was hindering my ability to not only seek out work , but relevant training to help aid me in to work also . Therefor , the SHPO it ' s self was preventing me from changing my circumstances . It is highly suggested for the best outcome , that police get on board to allow the discharge to happen , but considering the officer told you what you said was not true , It is very unlikely you will get their support in this . However , you could always talk to his superior if you wish . As for DBS checks , You are correct and I believe a basic will not show your convictions that are considered spent , but higher checks will list both unspent and spent convictions. Thanks xDanx, you ' ve basically confirmed what I thought . Obviously I don ' t know if my appeal will be granted , but I think I have a reasonable case , the crime was long before my sentencing and I have an categorical example of a job I got last year where I had 3 interviews and a long application process without being asked about criminal records only to lose the job the first day when they informed me they were going to do a basic DBS check ( after I signed ) and so I proactively disclosed my record to save the paperwork and delay . ( my MOSOVO officer recommending me no disclose if I ' m not asked , but I ' m still questioning my choices there ) I record all interactions I have with the police because of issues with their accuracy and general stating falsehoods , it ' s extremely concerning for me and just adds to my anxiety . I have recorded examples of them stating restriction on my SHPO that it doesn ' t contain and them later admitting they were wrong ( and they failed to inform me , as they said they would ) and such . That kind of management makes me very unsure of what I can / can ' t do which pushes me into being stuck at home alone unemployed and unable to go into public spaces just to ensure I don ’ t go to a “ bad place ” ( actual quote of theirs ). It seems so bizarre to me because those are exactly the circumstances that precipitated my offending in the first place and I just can ' t seem to get myself onto a productive path because of the police . I would consider a complaint to the police department , but this is a consistent issue I ' ve had with every officer I ' d dealt with, so it seems institusional and I can see many ways it could backfire onto me . I assume I would still have a MOSOVO officer while I ' m on the register , even if my conviction was spent ? So far I have had 2 different officers , I am due to get a new one soon I believe . But yes even while on the register with out a SHPO you will still get the visits , however . if you are able to get the SHPO discharged it means you are no longer bound to letting them check your devices , unless you allow them too willingly . I wanted to record all my interactions with them also but I was always never prepared to have something set up to record , fearing that if they noticed my phone was recording for example it would back fire on me . But recording them is 100 % a good move , I have had the officers make up quite a lot of rules which were not on my SHPO . But one thing my first PPU told me has stuck with me , " if it is not written on your SHPO then there is no restriction " Even after successfully discharging my SHPO , I still continue to struggle to find work and training to aid me back in to work due to rejections based on my information still being known and searchable . So although having it removed has lifted a massive weight off my shoulders , there are still challenges to over come . OK , that ' s a shame about the visits once off of the SHPO , but it ' s understandable . The irony is I don ’ t mind showing them my devices ever , SHPO or not , I ’ ve kept myself clean and want to stay so I think it ’ s best for me to show that even if they don ’ t have a court order . For the first 3 years they didn ’ t even bother checking my devices at all , then they only checked my phone and laptop when I ’ ve got many other devices I ’ ve offered them . One thing that made me laugh was them saying the knew what devices I have because they can see what connects to the internet , except I ’ m a techie and know that ’ s not true ( due to the routers NAT ) and even if they did they couldn ’ t know if a phone connected to my network is mine or a friends . It just made them sound unknowledgeable and / or dishonest . When checking my recording phone they ’ ve never mentioned me recording them and from questions they ’ ve asked it sounds like they don ’ t really know how to use smart devices . I ’ m actually tempted to screen record them next time they check to see what they do . OK , so the statement " if it is not written on your SHPO then there is no restriction " is interesting to me , as that basically means I have no practical restrictions to my life , despite their extremely oppressive but vague restrictions . I ’ m sorry you ’ re struggling still , I don ’ t expect getting rid of the SHPO is a silver bullet but I ’ m hoping it ’ s just dropping the hurdles a bit . Have you looked into getting your name delisted from search engines ? It ’ s part of the GDPR “ Right To Be Forgotten ” that you can request results to be removed . Only works in the UK/ EU and they might decline based on “ public interest ”, but it ’ s worth a try as long as your conviction is spent . That ’ s one of my reasons for wanting mine spent .
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+x+x+x+xyou are in fact correct , but of course the police will never admit to this if they can get away with it . If you are beyond the 5 year point with a SHPO active , you are entitled to apply to the courts ( with out permission from the police ) to potentially have it discharged in full . If a SHPO is discharged the conviction would be considered as spent , regardless if you remained on the SOR . In order for a discharge , you must provide evidence to state why you believe the SHPO must be discharged , the main thing the courts will consider first is . Changes in your circumstances ( obtaining work , making new friends , new relationships , steps taken to keep you from re - offending ), issues in which the SHPO prevents you from a change in circumstance ( if the SHPO is preventing you from working and you can prove it , this will go in you ' re favor ) If you are considering taking this step , contact various solicitors and see if they allow legal aid to represent you . Not all solicitors will do this , but some might if you ask . This would mean you get free legal advice to proceed with your application . Other wise you would have to represent your self in court . I applied to have my SHPO discharged 2 years ago , I finally managed it Feb last year after many hearings due to the police failing to show . I was successful because I proved because of my SHPO , it was hindering my ability to not only seek out work , but relevant training to help aid me in to work also . Therefor , the SHPO it ' s self was preventing me from changing my circumstances . It is highly suggested for the best outcome , that police get on board to allow the discharge to happen , but considering the officer told you what you said was not true , It is very unlikely you will get their support in this . However , you could always talk to his superior if you wish . As for DBS checks , You are correct and I believe a basic will not show your convictions that are considered spent , but higher checks will list both unspent and spent convictions. Thanks xDanx, you ' ve basically confirmed what I thought . Obviously I don ' t know if my appeal will be granted , but I think I have a reasonable case , the crime was long before my sentencing and I have an categorical example of a job I got last year where I had 3 interviews and a long application process without being asked about criminal records only to lose the job the first day when they informed me they were going to do a basic DBS check ( after I signed ) and so I proactively disclosed my record to save the paperwork and delay . ( my MOSOVO officer recommending me no disclose if I ' m not asked , but I ' m still questioning my choices there ) I record all interactions I have with the police because of issues with their accuracy and general stating falsehoods , it ' s extremely concerning for me and just adds to my anxiety . I have recorded examples of them stating restriction on my SHPO that it doesn ' t contain and them later admitting they were wrong ( and they failed to inform me , as they said they would ) and such . That kind of management makes me very unsure of what I can / can ' t do which pushes me into being stuck at home alone unemployed and unable to go into public spaces just to ensure I don ’ t go to a “ bad place ” ( actual quote of theirs ). It seems so bizarre to me because those are exactly the circumstances that precipitated my offending in the first place and I just can ' t seem to get myself onto a productive path because of the police . I would consider a complaint to the police department , but this is a consistent issue I ' ve had with every officer I ' d dealt with, so it seems institusional and I can see many ways it could backfire onto me . I assume I would still have a MOSOVO officer while I ' m on the register , even if my conviction was spent ? So far I have had 2 different officers , I am due to get a new one soon I believe . But yes even while on the register with out a SHPO you will still get the visits , however . if you are able to get the SHPO discharged it means you are no longer bound to letting them check your devices , unless you allow them too willingly . I wanted to record all my interactions with them also but I was always never prepared to have something set up to record , fearing that if they noticed my phone was recording for example it would back fire on me . But recording them is 100 % a good move , I have had the officers make up quite a lot of rules which were not on my SHPO . But one thing my first PPU told me has stuck with me , " if it is not written on your SHPO then there is no restriction " Even after successfully discharging my SHPO , I still continue to struggle to find work and training to aid me back in to work due to rejections based on my information still being known and searchable . So although having it removed has lifted a massive weight off my shoulders , there are still challenges to over come . OK , that ' s a shame about the visits once off of the SHPO , but it ' s understandable . The irony is I don ’ t mind showing them my devices ever , SHPO or not , I ’ ve kept myself clean and want to stay so I think it ’ s best for me to show that even if they don ’ t have a court order . For the first 3 years they didn ’ t even bother checking my devices at all , then they only checked my phone and laptop when I ’ ve got many other devices I ’ ve offered them . One thing that made me laugh was them saying the knew what devices I have because they can see what connects to the internet , except I ’ m a techie and know that ’ s not true ( due to the routers NAT ) and even if they did they couldn ’ t know if a phone connected to my network is mine or a friends . It just made them sound unknowledgeable and / or dishonest . When checking my recording phone they ’ ve never mentioned me recording them and from questions they ’ ve asked it sounds like they don ’ t really know how to use smart devices . I ’ m actually tempted to screen record them next time they check to see what they do . OK , so the statement " if it is not written on your SHPO then there is no restriction " is interesting to me , as that basically means I have no practical restrictions to my life , despite their extremely oppressive but vague restrictions . I ’ m sorry you ’ re struggling still , I don ’ t expect getting rid of the SHPO is a silver bullet but I ’ m hoping it ’ s just dropping the hurdles a bit . Have you looked into getting your name delisted from search engines ? It ’ s part of the GDPR “ Right To Be Forgotten ” that you can request results to be removed . Only works in the UK/ EU and they might decline based on “ public interest ”, but it ’ s worth a try as long as your conviction is spent . That ’ s one of my reasons for wanting mine spent . I have attempted to delist various links , however Google are un willing to remove . Due to " public interest " as you say I will make further attempts at a later date though Being quite techie myself , I can confirm the majority of the Police simply do not have a clue how tech works . They just make it all up as they go .
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+x+x+x+x+xyou are in fact correct , but of course the police will never admit to this if they can get away with it . If you are beyond the 5 year point with a SHPO active , you are entitled to apply to the courts ( with out permission from the police ) to potentially have it discharged in full . If a SHPO is discharged the conviction would be considered as spent , regardless if you remained on the SOR . In order for a discharge , you must provide evidence to state why you believe the SHPO must be discharged , the main thing the courts will consider first is . Changes in your circumstances ( obtaining work , making new friends , new relationships , steps taken to keep you from re - offending ), issues in which the SHPO prevents you from a change in circumstance ( if the SHPO is preventing you from working and you can prove it , this will go in you ' re favor ) If you are considering taking this step , contact various solicitors and see if they allow legal aid to represent you . Not all solicitors will do this , but some might if you ask . This would mean you get free legal advice to proceed with your application . Other wise you would have to represent your self in court . I applied to have my SHPO discharged 2 years ago , I finally managed it Feb last year after many hearings due to the police failing to show . I was successful because I proved because of my SHPO , it was hindering my ability to not only seek out work , but relevant training to help aid me in to work also . Therefor , the SHPO it ' s self was preventing me from changing my circumstances . It is highly suggested for the best outcome , that police get on board to allow the discharge to happen , but considering the officer told you what you said was not true , It is very unlikely you will get their support in this . However , you could always talk to his superior if you wish . As for DBS checks , You are correct and I believe a basic will not show your convictions that are considered spent , but higher checks will list both unspent and spent convictions. Thanks xDanx, you ' ve basically confirmed what I thought . Obviously I don ' t know if my appeal will be granted , but I think I have a reasonable case , the crime was long before my sentencing and I have an categorical example of a job I got last year where I had 3 interviews and a long application process without being asked about criminal records only to lose the job the first day when they informed me they were going to do a basic DBS check ( after I signed ) and so I proactively disclosed my record to save the paperwork and delay . ( my MOSOVO officer recommending me no disclose if I ' m not asked , but I ' m still questioning my choices there ) I record all interactions I have with the police because of issues with their accuracy and general stating falsehoods , it ' s extremely concerning for me and just adds to my anxiety . I have recorded examples of them stating restriction on my SHPO that it doesn ' t contain and them later admitting they were wrong ( and they failed to inform me , as they said they would ) and such . That kind of management makes me very unsure of what I can / can ' t do which pushes me into being stuck at home alone unemployed and unable to go into public spaces just to ensure I don ’ t go to a “ bad place ” ( actual quote of theirs ). It seems so bizarre to me because those are exactly the circumstances that precipitated my offending in the first place and I just can ' t seem to get myself onto a productive path because of the police . I would consider a complaint to the police department , but this is a consistent issue I ' ve had with every officer I ' d dealt with, so it seems institusional and I can see many ways it could backfire onto me . I assume I would still have a MOSOVO officer while I ' m on the register , even if my conviction was spent ? So far I have had 2 different officers , I am due to get a new one soon I believe . But yes even while on the register with out a SHPO you will still get the visits , however . if you are able to get the SHPO discharged it means you are no longer bound to letting them check your devices , unless you allow them too willingly . I wanted to record all my interactions with them also but I was always never prepared to have something set up to record , fearing that if they noticed my phone was recording for example it would back fire on me . But recording them is 100 % a good move , I have had the officers make up quite a lot of rules which were not on my SHPO . But one thing my first PPU told me has stuck with me , " if it is not written on your SHPO then there is no restriction " Even after successfully discharging my SHPO , I still continue to struggle to find work and training to aid me back in to work due to rejections based on my information still being known and searchable . So although having it removed has lifted a massive weight off my shoulders , there are still challenges to over come . OK , that ' s a shame about the visits once off of the SHPO , but it ' s understandable . The irony is I don ’ t mind showing them my devices ever , SHPO or not , I ’ ve kept myself clean and want to stay so I think it ’ s best for me to show that even if they don ’ t have a court order . For the first 3 years they didn ’ t even bother checking my devices at all , then they only checked my phone and laptop when I ’ ve got many other devices I ’ ve offered them . One thing that made me laugh was them saying the knew what devices I have because they can see what connects to the internet , except I ’ m a techie and know that ’ s not true ( due to the routers NAT ) and even if they did they couldn ’ t know if a phone connected to my network is mine or a friends . It just made them sound unknowledgeable and / or dishonest . When checking my recording phone they ’ ve never mentioned me recording them and from questions they ’ ve asked it sounds like they don ’ t really know how to use smart devices . I ’ m actually tempted to screen record them next time they check to see what they do . OK , so the statement " if it is not written on your SHPO then there is no restriction " is interesting to me , as that basically means I have no practical restrictions to my life , despite their extremely oppressive but vague restrictions . I ’ m sorry you ’ re struggling still , I don ’ t expect getting rid of the SHPO is a silver bullet but I ’ m hoping it ’ s just dropping the hurdles a bit . Have you looked into getting your name delisted from search engines ? It ’ s part of the GDPR “ Right To Be Forgotten ” that you can request results to be removed . Only works in the UK/ EU and they might decline based on “ public interest ”, but it ’ s worth a try as long as your conviction is spent . That ’ s one of my reasons for wanting mine spent . I have attempted to delist various links , however Google are un willing to remove . Due to " public interest " as you say I will make further attempts at a later date though Being quite techie myself , I can confirm the majority of the Police simply do not have a clue how tech works . They just make it all up as they go . That ’ s very unfortunate , I really hope that ’ s not the situation for me , otherwise I guess a change of name would be my best bet . Did you only apply to Google , or any others ? Did you apply to have the articles themselves removed by the publisher ? I hear that ’ s less likely to be successful , but it ’ s worth a shot just in case . Yes , one of the things that worries me is that every police officer I ’ ve dealt with has started off saying something along the lines to “ I ’ m not very technical ”, I appreciate they are being honest there , but I think it ’ s like going to a bike shop and the staff saying “ I don ’ t really know much about bikes , I don ’ t ride ”, it ’ s a red flag on many levels . And given we ’ re talking about 10 officers now ( 0 being technical ) it doesn ’ t make me confident that they are competent to protect the public nor the people under their supervision .
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+x+x+x+x+x+xyou are in fact correct , but of course the police will never admit to this if they can get away with it . If you are beyond the 5 year point with a SHPO active , you are entitled to apply to the courts ( with out permission from the police ) to potentially have it discharged in full . If a SHPO is discharged the conviction would be considered as spent , regardless if you remained on the SOR . In order for a discharge , you must provide evidence to state why you believe the SHPO must be discharged , the main thing the courts will consider first is . Changes in your circumstances ( obtaining work , making new friends , new relationships , steps taken to keep you from re - offending ), issues in which the SHPO prevents you from a change in circumstance ( if the SHPO is preventing you from working and you can prove it , this will go in you ' re favor ) If you are considering taking this step , contact various solicitors and see if they allow legal aid to represent you . Not all solicitors will do this , but some might if you ask . This would mean you get free legal advice to proceed with your application . Other wise you would have to represent your self in court . I applied to have my SHPO discharged 2 years ago , I finally managed it Feb last year after many hearings due to the police failing to show . I was successful because I proved because of my SHPO , it was hindering my ability to not only seek out work , but relevant training to help aid me in to work also . Therefor , the SHPO it ' s self was preventing me from changing my circumstances . It is highly suggested for the best outcome , that police get on board to allow the discharge to happen , but considering the officer told you what you said was not true , It is very unlikely you will get their support in this . However , you could always talk to his superior if you wish . As for DBS checks , You are correct and I believe a basic will not show your convictions that are considered spent , but higher checks will list both unspent and spent convictions. Thanks xDanx, you ' ve basically confirmed what I thought . Obviously I don ' t know if my appeal will be granted , but I think I have a reasonable case , the crime was long before my sentencing and I have an categorical example of a job I got last year where I had 3 interviews and a long application process without being asked about criminal records only to lose the job the first day when they informed me they were going to do a basic DBS check ( after I signed ) and so I proactively disclosed my record to save the paperwork and delay . ( my MOSOVO officer recommending me no disclose if I ' m not asked , but I ' m still questioning my choices there ) I record all interactions I have with the police because of issues with their accuracy and general stating falsehoods , it ' s extremely concerning for me and just adds to my anxiety . I have recorded examples of them stating restriction on my SHPO that it doesn ' t contain and them later admitting they were wrong ( and they failed to inform me , as they said they would ) and such . That kind of management makes me very unsure of what I can / can ' t do which pushes me into being stuck at home alone unemployed and unable to go into public spaces just to ensure I don ’ t go to a “ bad place ” ( actual quote of theirs ). It seems so bizarre to me because those are exactly the circumstances that precipitated my offending in the first place and I just can ' t seem to get myself onto a productive path because of the police . I would consider a complaint to the police department , but this is a consistent issue I ' ve had with every officer I ' d dealt with, so it seems institusional and I can see many ways it could backfire onto me . I assume I would still have a MOSOVO officer while I ' m on the register , even if my conviction was spent ? So far I have had 2 different officers , I am due to get a new one soon I believe . But yes even while on the register with out a SHPO you will still get the visits , however . if you are able to get the SHPO discharged it means you are no longer bound to letting them check your devices , unless you allow them too willingly . I wanted to record all my interactions with them also but I was always never prepared to have something set up to record , fearing that if they noticed my phone was recording for example it would back fire on me . But recording them is 100 % a good move , I have had the officers make up quite a lot of rules which were not on my SHPO . But one thing my first PPU told me has stuck with me , " if it is not written on your SHPO then there is no restriction " Even after successfully discharging my SHPO , I still continue to struggle to find work and training to aid me back in to work due to rejections based on my information still being known and searchable . So although having it removed has lifted a massive weight off my shoulders , there are still challenges to over come . OK , that ' s a shame about the visits once off of the SHPO , but it ' s understandable . The irony is I don ’ t mind showing them my devices ever , SHPO or not , I ’ ve kept myself clean and want to stay so I think it ’ s best for me to show that even if they don ’ t have a court order . For the first 3 years they didn ’ t even bother checking my devices at all , then they only checked my phone and laptop when I ’ ve got many other devices I ’ ve offered them . One thing that made me laugh was them saying the knew what devices I have because they can see what connects to the internet , except I ’ m a techie and know that ’ s not true ( due to the routers NAT ) and even if they did they couldn ’ t know if a phone connected to my network is mine or a friends . It just made them sound unknowledgeable and / or dishonest . When checking my recording phone they ’ ve never mentioned me recording them and from questions they ’ ve asked it sounds like they don ’ t really know how to use smart devices . I ’ m actually tempted to screen record them next time they check to see what they do . OK , so the statement " if it is not written on your SHPO then there is no restriction " is interesting to me , as that basically means I have no practical restrictions to my life , despite their extremely oppressive but vague restrictions . I ’ m sorry you ’ re struggling still , I don ’ t expect getting rid of the SHPO is a silver bullet but I ’ m hoping it ’ s just dropping the hurdles a bit . Have you looked into getting your name delisted from search engines ? It ’ s part of the GDPR “ Right To Be Forgotten ” that you can request results to be removed . Only works in the UK/ EU and they might decline based on “ public interest ”, but it ’ s worth a try as long as your conviction is spent . That ’ s one of my reasons for wanting mine spent . I have attempted to delist various links , however Google are un willing to remove . Due to " public interest " as you say I will make further attempts at a later date though Being quite techie myself , I can confirm the majority of the Police simply do not have a clue how tech works . They just make it all up as they go . That ’ s very unfortunate , I really hope that ’ s not the situation for me , otherwise I guess a change of name would be my best bet . Did you only apply to Google , or any others ? Did you apply to have the articles themselves removed by the publisher ? I hear that ’ s less likely to be successful , but it ’ s worth a shot just in case . Yes , one of the things that worries me is that every police officer I ’ ve dealt with has started off saying something along the lines to “ I ’ m not very technical ”, I appreciate they are being honest there , but I think it ’ s like going to a bike shop and the staff saying “ I don ’ t really know much about bikes , I don ’ t ride ”, it ’ s a red flag on many levels . And given we ’ re talking about 10 officers now ( 0 being technical ) it doesn ’ t make me confident that they are competent to protect the public nor the people under their supervision . I only attempted Google I never contacted publishers to have them removed as in my mind , there would be nothing stopping them from potentially re - publishing them , but given that my conviction is now considered spent I am not entirely sure if the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act might prevent them from doing so ? Something I plan to look further into at a later date . But from what I understand of it so far is " I have a legal right to live my life as if the offence never happened " My last PPU officer would say the exact same thing ! He would always remind me that he isn ' t very techie and has bad memory , but I know the memory part is a complete lie . Just a tactic they use to try trip up people . This is just my opinion , but the only " people " they intend to protect are themselves and their own .
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Sounds very much like your conviction would become spent if you had your SHPO discharged - you don ' t have to declare spent convictions for Basic DBS checks , which would be almost all techie - related jobs and no need to declare for insurance purposes etc . It ' s definitely a good idea to apply for a discharge if you think you can make a persuasive case . As for the rest of the discussion - the Police are absolutely clueless when it comes to technology . Visor / PPU officers are even more clueless than regular police officers , which is surprising given that they must deal with " offenders " who are a lot more tech - savvy than your average Joe , so you ' d have thought they might offer some sort of training for PPU staff to be a bit more aware - which they don ' t . Simple case in point is the Police ' s own admission they can ' t install monitoring software on Apple devices - monitoring software is& nbsp ; available for Apple products ( just Google " pegasus spyware "), the Police just cannot use it for whatever reason . Same way they can ' t break into Apple devices in the way they do with Android devices ( the reason they ask you to buy an Android if you have a SHPO ). They don ' t always like to volunteer this kind of information - for example , they told me previously when arrested and taken to court that they managed to access my iPhone ( after I refused to give them the pin ), and they even led the court to believe that they had broken into and checked the phone - I can guarantee they didn ' t , because the security settings of the phone simply didn ' t allow it , and if they did get in , I would ' ve been in a lot more trouble for unrelated matters . Police are technologically brainless and should not be relied on / trusted to give accurate information with anything to do with technology .& nbsp ;
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xyou are in fact correct , but of course the police will never admit to this if they can get away with it . If you are beyond the 5 year point with a SHPO active , you are entitled to apply to the courts ( with out permission from the police ) to potentially have it discharged in full . If a SHPO is discharged the conviction would be considered as spent , regardless if you remained on the SOR . In order for a discharge , you must provide evidence to state why you believe the SHPO must be discharged , the main thing the courts will consider first is . Changes in your circumstances ( obtaining work , making new friends , new relationships , steps taken to keep you from re - offending ), issues in which the SHPO prevents you from a change in circumstance ( if the SHPO is preventing you from working and you can prove it , this will go in you ' re favor ) If you are considering taking this step , contact various solicitors and see if they allow legal aid to represent you . Not all solicitors will do this , but some might if you ask . This would mean you get free legal advice to proceed with your application . Other wise you would have to represent your self in court . I applied to have my SHPO discharged 2 years ago , I finally managed it Feb last year after many hearings due to the police failing to show . I was successful because I proved because of my SHPO , it was hindering my ability to not only seek out work , but relevant training to help aid me in to work also . Therefor , the SHPO it ' s self was preventing me from changing my circumstances . It is highly suggested for the best outcome , that police get on board to allow the discharge to happen , but considering the officer told you what you said was not true , It is very unlikely you will get their support in this . However , you could always talk to his superior if you wish . As for DBS checks , You are correct and I believe a basic will not show your convictions that are considered spent , but higher checks will list both unspent and spent convictions. Thanks xDanx, you ' ve basically confirmed what I thought . Obviously I don ' t know if my appeal will be granted , but I think I have a reasonable case , the crime was long before my sentencing and I have an categorical example of a job I got last year where I had 3 interviews and a long application process without being asked about criminal records only to lose the job the first day when they informed me they were going to do a basic DBS check ( after I signed ) and so I proactively disclosed my record to save the paperwork and delay . ( my MOSOVO officer recommending me no disclose if I ' m not asked , but I ' m still questioning my choices there ) I record all interactions I have with the police because of issues with their accuracy and general stating falsehoods , it ' s extremely concerning for me and just adds to my anxiety . I have recorded examples of them stating restriction on my SHPO that it doesn ' t contain and them later admitting they were wrong ( and they failed to inform me , as they said they would ) and such . That kind of management makes me very unsure of what I can / can ' t do which pushes me into being stuck at home alone unemployed and unable to go into public spaces just to ensure I don ’ t go to a “ bad place ” ( actual quote of theirs ). It seems so bizarre to me because those are exactly the circumstances that precipitated my offending in the first place and I just can ' t seem to get myself onto a productive path because of the police . I would consider a complaint to the police department , but this is a consistent issue I ' ve had with every officer I ' d dealt with, so it seems institusional and I can see many ways it could backfire onto me . I assume I would still have a MOSOVO officer while I ' m on the register , even if my conviction was spent ? So far I have had 2 different officers , I am due to get a new one soon I believe . But yes even while on the register with out a SHPO you will still get the visits , however . if you are able to get the SHPO discharged it means you are no longer bound to letting them check your devices , unless you allow them too willingly . I wanted to record all my interactions with them also but I was always never prepared to have something set up to record , fearing that if they noticed my phone was recording for example it would back fire on me . But recording them is 100 % a good move , I have had the officers make up quite a lot of rules which were not on my SHPO . But one thing my first PPU told me has stuck with me , " if it is not written on your SHPO then there is no restriction " Even after successfully discharging my SHPO , I still continue to struggle to find work and training to aid me back in to work due to rejections based on my information still being known and searchable . So although having it removed has lifted a massive weight off my shoulders , there are still challenges to over come . OK , that ' s a shame about the visits once off of the SHPO , but it ' s understandable . The irony is I don ’ t mind showing them my devices ever , SHPO or not , I ’ ve kept myself clean and want to stay so I think it ’ s best for me to show that even if they don ’ t have a court order . For the first 3 years they didn ’ t even bother checking my devices at all , then they only checked my phone and laptop when I ’ ve got many other devices I ’ ve offered them . One thing that made me laugh was them saying the knew what devices I have because they can see what connects to the internet , except I ’ m a techie and know that ’ s not true ( due to the routers NAT ) and even if they did they couldn ’ t know if a phone connected to my network is mine or a friends . It just made them sound unknowledgeable and / or dishonest . When checking my recording phone they ’ ve never mentioned me recording them and from questions they ’ ve asked it sounds like they don ’ t really know how to use smart devices . I ’ m actually tempted to screen record them next time they check to see what they do . OK , so the statement " if it is not written on your SHPO then there is no restriction " is interesting to me , as that basically means I have no practical restrictions to my life , despite their extremely oppressive but vague restrictions . I ’ m sorry you ’ re struggling still , I don ’ t expect getting rid of the SHPO is a silver bullet but I ’ m hoping it ’ s just dropping the hurdles a bit . Have you looked into getting your name delisted from search engines ? It ’ s part of the GDPR “ Right To Be Forgotten ” that you can request results to be removed . Only works in the UK/ EU and they might decline based on “ public interest ”, but it ’ s worth a try as long as your conviction is spent . That ’ s one of my reasons for wanting mine spent . I have attempted to delist various links , however Google are un willing to remove . Due to " public interest " as you say I will make further attempts at a later date though Being quite techie myself , I can confirm the majority of the Police simply do not have a clue how tech works . They just make it all up as they go . That ’ s very unfortunate , I really hope that ’ s not the situation for me , otherwise I guess a change of name would be my best bet . Did you only apply to Google , or any others ? Did you apply to have the articles themselves removed by the publisher ? I hear that ’ s less likely to be successful , but it ’ s worth a shot just in case . Yes , one of the things that worries me is that every police officer I ’ ve dealt with has started off saying something along the lines to “ I ’ m not very technical ”, I appreciate they are being honest there , but I think it ’ s like going to a bike shop and the staff saying “ I don ’ t really know much about bikes , I don ’ t ride ”, it ’ s a red flag on many levels . And given we ’ re talking about 10 officers now ( 0 being technical ) it doesn ’ t make me confident that they are competent to protect the public nor the people under their supervision . I only attempted Google I never contacted publishers to have them removed as in my mind , there would be nothing stopping them from potentially re - publishing them , but given that my conviction is now considered spent I am not entirely sure if the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act might prevent them from doing so ? Something I plan to look further into at a later date . But from what I understand of it so far is " I have a legal right to live my life as if the offence never happened " My last PPU officer would say the exact same thing ! He would always remind me that he isn ' t very techie and has bad memory , but I know the memory part is a complete lie . Just a tactic they use to try trip up people . This is just my opinion , but the only " people " they intend to protect are themselves and their own . xDanx I ’ m definitely more dubious about contacting publishers regarding removing me , they are more invested in their own content then Google ( or other search engines ), but I am considering it . My article actually contains a stolen facebook profile image , so I could try a DMCA takedown notice , but again I ’ m worried about them getting vindictive so I ’ m waiting until hopefully they just don ’ t care . Yes , I have always wondered how much of the police incompetence I perceive is real vs acted , but honestly being recorded falsely stating details about spent convictions on a phone they are checking at the time is a level of committing to the part of incompetent that I must commend . I ’ ve been reviewing the audio recordings now and making transcripts , in 20 minutes of it I ’ m literally shaking with anxiety and stress . What they are saying on this is factually false , and we ’ re talking about basic law , it ’ s their job to know this kind of information . I ’ m just unable to get over how callous they are about this , it ’ s got me so angry that I feel I have no viable recourse to complain . ED I ’ ve always wondered how easy it would be to track people , I mean I can buy a new device in minutes , get a SIM card similarly ( or try and hack someone else ’ s WiFi ) and then it ’ s basically untraceable , with the exception of the IP address being near my home . It ’ s sad that my suspicions of the police ’ s lack of technical knowledge is being confirmed at every turn . The frustration is that much as I don ’ t personally want or like being restricted I do appreciate the important role they play in protecting vulnerable people , except now it appears they are not capable of doing that job . It ’ s appalling .
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