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AB2014
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+x+x+x+xThanks so much for being brave enough to share your story so publicly ! It is a really sad fact that Police and even in some cases Solicitors are so blasé about cautions - the amount of times I have heard " it ' s only a caution , it ' ll be deleted in a year " or something similar is far too much to count . Unfortunately , these are not the people dealing with the consequences of them - until one day when they commit a minor offence and accept a caution before realising what they ' ve been doing to people for years . There really should be some mandatory training , even if basic , for professionals working in the CJS around disclosure / Rehabilitation of Offenders Act law . Thanks . Yes it was quite a big shock for me when I returned home and had to do my own research about the implications of accepting the caution regarding travel , careers etc The caution will at least be filtered after 6 years even on enhanced checks so I would be able to work in nearly all fields ( other than the police ) by 2030 at the latest . But knowing this sooner would have helped to calm my mental health during an extremely stressful time . You might also be relieved to hear that common assault is not considered a Crime Involving Moral Turpitude by the US authorities , so it shouldn ' t be a barrier to getting a visa . Most countries seem to base their restrictions on convictions , but they will want to hear your story before making a decision . Thanks , I did enquire about my admissibility to the US elsewhere on the forum . It is somewhat confusing as domestic violence / assault can be considered a crime of moral turpitude under US law , but common assault / battery can be considered a " petty offense " and allow admission to the US without the need for a waiver . So hopefully the English statute and sentencing for common assault would be the deciding factor regardless of the circumstances .& nbsp ; It would come down to what is shown on your police certificate . It would probably just say " Common assault ", with no further offence information , in which case they would have to rely on you for the details . You wouldn ' t be obliged to tell the truth , the whole truth and nothing but the truth ....
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If you are to punish a man retributively you must injure him. If you are to reform him you must improve him. And men are not improved by injuries. (George Bernard Shaw)
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maxcaddy
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+x+x+xThanks so much for being brave enough to share your story so publicly ! It is a really sad fact that Police and even in some cases Solicitors are so blasé about cautions - the amount of times I have heard " it ' s only a caution , it ' ll be deleted in a year " or something similar is far too much to count . Unfortunately , these are not the people dealing with the consequences of them - until one day when they commit a minor offence and accept a caution before realising what they ' ve been doing to people for years . There really should be some mandatory training , even if basic , for professionals working in the CJS around disclosure / Rehabilitation of Offenders Act law . Thanks . Yes it was quite a big shock for me when I returned home and had to do my own research about the implications of accepting the caution regarding travel , careers etc The caution will at least be filtered after 6 years even on enhanced checks so I would be able to work in nearly all fields ( other than the police ) by 2030 at the latest . But knowing this sooner would have helped to calm my mental health during an extremely stressful time . You might also be relieved to hear that common assault is not considered a Crime Involving Moral Turpitude by the US authorities , so it shouldn ' t be a barrier to getting a visa . Most countries seem to base their restrictions on convictions , but they will want to hear your story before making a decision . Thanks , I did enquire about my admissibility to the US elsewhere on the forum . It is somewhat confusing as domestic violence / assault can be considered a crime of moral turpitude under US law , but common assault / battery can be considered a " petty offense " and allow admission to the US without the need for a waiver . So hopefully the English statute and sentencing for common assault would be the deciding factor regardless of the circumstances .& nbsp ;
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AB2014
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+x+xThanks so much for being brave enough to share your story so publicly ! It is a really sad fact that Police and even in some cases Solicitors are so blasé about cautions - the amount of times I have heard " it ' s only a caution , it ' ll be deleted in a year " or something similar is far too much to count . Unfortunately , these are not the people dealing with the consequences of them - until one day when they commit a minor offence and accept a caution before realising what they ' ve been doing to people for years . There really should be some mandatory training , even if basic , for professionals working in the CJS around disclosure / Rehabilitation of Offenders Act law . Thanks . Yes it was quite a big shock for me when I returned home and had to do my own research about the implications of accepting the caution regarding travel , careers etc The caution will at least be filtered after 6 years even on enhanced checks so I would be able to work in nearly all fields ( other than the police ) by 2030 at the latest . But knowing this sooner would have helped to calm my mental health during an extremely stressful time . You might also be relieved to hear that common assault is not considered a Crime Involving Moral Turpitude by the US authorities , so it shouldn ' t be a barrier to getting a visa . Most countries seem to base their restrictions on convictions , but they will want to hear your story before making a decision .
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If you are to punish a man retributively you must injure him. If you are to reform him you must improve him. And men are not improved by injuries. (George Bernard Shaw)
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maxcaddy
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+xThanks so much for being brave enough to share your story so publicly ! It is a really sad fact that Police and even in some cases Solicitors are so blasé about cautions - the amount of times I have heard " it ' s only a caution , it ' ll be deleted in a year " or something similar is far too much to count . Unfortunately , these are not the people dealing with the consequences of them - until one day when they commit a minor offence and accept a caution before realising what they ' ve been doing to people for years . There really should be some mandatory training , even if basic , for professionals working in the CJS around disclosure / Rehabilitation of Offenders Act law . Thanks . Yes it was quite a big shock for me when I returned home and had to do my own research about the implications of accepting the caution regarding travel , careers etc The caution will at least be filtered after 6 years even on enhanced checks so I would be able to work in nearly all fields ( other than the police ) by 2030 at the latest . But knowing this sooner would have helped to calm my mental health during an extremely stressful time .
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Evan Davis
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Thanks so much for being brave enough to share your story so publicly ! It is a really sad fact that Police and even in some cases Solicitors are so blasé about cautions - the amount of times I have heard " it ' s only a caution , it ' ll be deleted in a year " or something similar is far too much to count . Unfortunately , these are not the people dealing with the consequences of them - until one day when they commit a minor offence and accept a caution before realising what they ' ve been doing to people for years . There really should be some mandatory training , even if basic , for professionals working in the CJS around disclosure / Rehabilitation of Offenders Act law .
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maxcaddy
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I ' m here after sharing my story about accepting a caution for common assault . Though this was the best option for me in the circumstances , I worry for vulnerable people being pressured into avoidable consequences by police officers with ulterior motives and solicitors giving them misleading information .& nbsp ;
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