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Same offence, different consequences


Same offence, different consequences

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dedalus - 17 Aug 22 3:59 PM
also the case getting publicity is part of the justice system on the basis that the justice system allows journalists in court and also passes info to local papers.

Journalists have always been allowed in to court. You have to assume that a case will be reported. The justice system does not pro-actively pass information to local papers. The way it works, is that journalists make a request for information from the court and police. They do this in the basis of a value judgement of news worthiness. They are not fed it. No-one was there for my magistrates court hearing. No-one for my PPTP. The local papers had obviously seen the listing for my sentence hearing. It is how it has always been. Whether I liked it or not, I was "newsworthy" in a way that "Local McDonalds Worker" probably wasn't.

There is a reasonable argument that the ubiquitiness of the internet has meant that the days of going through decades of microfiche in a local library has been superseded by Google, and therefore the "chip paper" factor has altered but the fundamental principle has not changed. Matters mentioned in open court can be reported.
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It's the randomness of the reporting that is the issue, because not every case does get reported. If you could be certain that every single case was going to appear in the papers, that would be a level playing field.
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punter99 - 18 Aug 22 11:07 AM
It's the randomness of the reporting that is the issue, because not every case does get reported. If you could be certain that every single case was going to appear in the papers, that would be a level playing field.

I agree with you 100%. I personally have suffered disproportionately from this. I got front page coverage (in two local papers!) for a sentence of 2 years probation and undertaking a course (the 5 years SOR was an automatic minimum once it went to court).

But the judicial system has always assumed that cases will be reported, and the principle still is that anyone can go to a sentence hearing and as long as they report things as they happened in court. That is how English (including Wales), and also Scottish and Northern Irish justice, works. That the bottom has fallen out of the market for local papers doesn't change that. 
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punter99 - 16 Aug 22 11:57 AM
On another forum, I found this, written by the partner of a man, convicted of image offences. It describes one experience, but sounds very different from most of those we hear on this forum.

"He got a suspended sentence and thousands of images in all categories. We're still in a mortgaged house, he still works in the same field, still comfortable financially. We're planning our wedding and life is very much normal! He has horizon twice a week and a 5 minute chat to the probation officer once every 2 weeks (goes into the office once a month on his way to work and the other meeting is a quick telephone call in his break). Other than that, life is no different!"

The two most obvious things to note, are that he didn't lose his job and that his partner stood by him. There is no mention of whether it was reported in the media, but if it was, then seems unlikely that he would still have the same job. But so many of the consequences of these offences, are not the restrictions imposed by the courts, but the 'collateral damage' created by the media and the fallout from that, as well as the reactions of friends and family. It is not a level playing field, in that respect, because the outcomes can be very different, depending on the person's circumstances.



I was lucky that there was no media coverage of my case. I was lucky with the timing as there was the general election result and a massive case in the court next to me. The local papers wanted to cover those events.

I did lose my job and my life is completely different. My partner stood by me but I got a sentence of 28 Months. Only the other week I was reading a case which was virtually identical to mine and the person got a 12 week suspended sentence and kept his job. It is not just the unfairness of the media it also the unfairness of sentencing sometimes....this other person looks like he committed a much lesser offence than me when in fact the cases appear identical
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punter99 - 16 Aug 22 11:57 AM
On another forum, I found this, written by the partner of a man, convicted of image offences. It describes one experience, but sounds very different from most of those we hear on this forum.

"He got a suspended sentence and thousands of images in all categories. We're still in a mortgaged house, he still works in the same field, still comfortable financially. We're planning our wedding and life is very much normal! He has horizon twice a week and a 5 minute chat to the probation officer once every 2 weeks (goes into the office once a month on his way to work and the other meeting is a quick telephone call in his break). Other than that, life is no different!"

The two most obvious things to note, are that he didn't lose his job and that his partner stood by him. There is no mention of whether it was reported in the media, but if it was, then seems unlikely that he would still have the same job. But so many of the consequences of these offences, are not the restrictions imposed by the courts, but the 'collateral damage' created by the media and the fallout from that, as well as the reactions of friends and family. It is not a level playing field, in that respect, because the outcomes can be very different, depending on the person's circumstances.



Hi My past posts have shown that if the "system" has an agenda then "justice" can / will / and is applied differently to meet the aims of the "agenda"!
My only luck has been my "photo" has never been released and I always went to great care when appearing at Court to spot the "photographers.
Yes I had some luck but not as lucky as those with the 'AGENDA'



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