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+x+x+xGenocide (art. 2 of UN convention ratified 1952) 'Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group' 'Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part' Suicides of males of 2023-2024 = 3042* Suicides of people under police management = (674) There were 360 self-inflicted deaths between April 2022 and March 2023, and there were 314 deaths unexplained.** Its commonly supposed by the general public that deaths of offenders are guilt-related. Undoubtedly this is a factor. However, looking at some academic (and government reporting) suggests many offenders kill themselves simply because of frustration at their inability to rejoin society and carry on. Example: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666353820300059This has been my personal experience (being driven to kill myself at the probation office, after having my training and education prevented, and my 18m relationship undermined to destruction), which was labelled as 'revenge' against the system. I was convicted of possession of indecent images, certainly a shameful offence, but that criminal record is in my experience a complete barrier to having anything like a normal life permanently, even after 6 years of rehabilitation and counselling (which I have paid for myself). I was actually rebuilding my life, with a job and a long term relationship before my conviction (the length of time the police took to investigate [two unencrypted devices] at over a year is another factor I feel is depressing people to the point of suicide because they can't move on during that time). I feel that agents with the criminal justice system (CJS) are far too inclined to blame the offenders for these issues, rather than make a meaningul effort to help them rehabilitate. Certainly access to the NHS is a joke - they do not have the resources for general mental health let alone the specialist knowledge of what makes people offend, and cannot change the approach of the CJS, so the problems just escalate. I found some NHS professionals very judgemental indeed (although some frontline staff were fantastic). Hence my title 'Genocide' because every agent I have interacted with has ignored the issues. Also the police have NO POLICY FOR MENTALLY DISABLED people only mental health issues (I am austistic and find the SHPO challenging). When I have raised simple points for improvement, they have pretty much laughed in my face (includes ironically probation, but police as well). Everyone just wants to follow procedure. I think following orders blindly makes you no better than a concentration camp guard during WW2 (many criminals and mentally disabled people were murdered). I'm currently facing a court case and further prosecution for failing to declare a pc I was sent and never used for review. I am guilty of this. But its mainly down to the autism which I have finally received medication for after waiting two years. The police know this, but want to follow 'the process'. Pointless? I think so. * https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england/statistical-report-near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england-for-the-15-months-to-august-2023#findings** https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023*** https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprobation/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2022/07/Suicide-and-self-harm-staff-experiences-v1.0.pdf Before the part you quoted, Article 2 says: " genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". So, as discriminatory as these actions are, they do not meet the definition of genocide. I could mention some times in the past when genocide has been an issue, but I'm not going to compare this to those events. There is no protection in law in any part of the UK against discrimination on the basis of having a criminal record of any type for any offence or offences. Sadly. Of course, the system should be more sympathetic and supportive towards your situation. After all, they are required to make reasonable adjustments to accommodate any person who has a disability. A disability is defined by the Equality Act 2010 as follows: " (1)A person (P) has a disability if—(a)P has a physical or mental impairment, and(b)the impairment has a substantial and long-term adverse effect on P's ability to carry out normal day-to-day activities", which probably means you are included. Maybe that would be a better line of approach. Yes true, although there are definitions of genocide that are more 'flexibly' worded than the United Nations definition. I take the points raised but fundamentally our approach to all offending but especially sex/violent offending needs to change to a more preventative model - by which I don't mean the current 'virtual home arrest' approach, but courses and professional assessment by independent practitioners who are not motivated by self protection or blanket overly harsh regulation [Offered by Lucy Faithful foundation but costing over £4k I believe]. Another way could be the government putting its money where its mouth is on rehabilitation by offering a form of indemnity to companies who employ offenders of all types - perhaps a bounty of £10k and/or a form of insurance to recompense for any proven issues. This would be far, far cheaper than constantly subjecting risky offenders to interrogation and 'live' risk assessment although these could run alongside if needed for that first year. I don't get the impression any organization including probation is remotely motivated to rehabilitee sex offenders (point noted about some believing this can never take place but would dispute it for offences like indecent images). For tax payer cost and efficiency alone, we need a much more positive system. I would estimate Kent Police have wasted around £500k over 6 years on my case. Preventing Human beings from working and social contact can drive the issues which sent them on a downwards spiral in the first place. I have been incredibly lucky, had support, and had some success on all fronts, but I shouldn't NEED luck to rehabilitate, thats supposed to be part of the Criminal Justice system, and thats what is missing. Of course all the money being spent on offender management and a LOT of benefits, is not being spent teaching our kids about the issue, or investigating harm against them. Hi You are echoing many of the thoughts expressed over the years by all of us that are attempting to show society "rehabilatation is possible". I have a copy of an Probation report that stated that a "low risk convicted offender" is a lower risk to society than most of "non convicted" members of society. Though our suggestions could be a conept to work on by "reviewers" I do not see this Government allocating any funds or insurance policy to employers. As mentioned they have praised the work of Timpson, but in reality he is as "discrimtary" as most. Yes he will accept the praise for recuiting a few "selective" ex-offenders but will not even discuss ex-sos! He was on Radio 5 a few months back and I called in to ask him directly about this but was not put through! yet an ex-con who speaks about the "cushy life in prison" or convicted of other "glorified" offences they feature! Sorry if sounds like a rant. As most will agree "if something does not win votes or sells newspapers" then it is ignored or brief comments are voiced! As i said before, never give up hope but do focus on your own welbeing first!
Society suggests I must let go of all my expectations but I disagree, as whilst I have a voice, I have hope.
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+x+x+x+xGenocide (art. 2 of UN convention ratified 1952) 'Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group' 'Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part' Suicides of males of 2023-2024 = 3042* Suicides of people under police management = (674) There were 360 self-inflicted deaths between April 2022 and March 2023, and there were 314 deaths unexplained.** Its commonly supposed by the general public that deaths of offenders are guilt-related. Undoubtedly this is a factor. However, looking at some academic (and government reporting) suggests many offenders kill themselves simply because of frustration at their inability to rejoin society and carry on. Example: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666353820300059This has been my personal experience (being driven to kill myself at the probation office, after having my training and education prevented, and my 18m relationship undermined to destruction), which was labelled as 'revenge' against the system. I was convicted of possession of indecent images, certainly a shameful offence, but that criminal record is in my experience a complete barrier to having anything like a normal life permanently, even after 6 years of rehabilitation and counselling (which I have paid for myself). I was actually rebuilding my life, with a job and a long term relationship before my conviction (the length of time the police took to investigate [two unencrypted devices] at over a year is another factor I feel is depressing people to the point of suicide because they can't move on during that time). I feel that agents with the criminal justice system (CJS) are far too inclined to blame the offenders for these issues, rather than make a meaningul effort to help them rehabilitate. Certainly access to the NHS is a joke - they do not have the resources for general mental health let alone the specialist knowledge of what makes people offend, and cannot change the approach of the CJS, so the problems just escalate. I found some NHS professionals very judgemental indeed (although some frontline staff were fantastic). Hence my title 'Genocide' because every agent I have interacted with has ignored the issues. Also the police have NO POLICY FOR MENTALLY DISABLED people only mental health issues (I am austistic and find the SHPO challenging). When I have raised simple points for improvement, they have pretty much laughed in my face (includes ironically probation, but police as well). Everyone just wants to follow procedure. I think following orders blindly makes you no better than a concentration camp guard during WW2 (many criminals and mentally disabled people were murdered). I'm currently facing a court case and further prosecution for failing to declare a pc I was sent and never used for review. I am guilty of this. But its mainly down to the autism which I have finally received medication for after waiting two years. The police know this, but want to follow 'the process'. Pointless? I think so. * https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england/statistical-report-near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england-for-the-15-months-to-august-2023#findings** https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023*** https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprobation/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2022/07/Suicide-and-self-harm-staff-experiences-v1.0.pdf Before the part you quoted, Article 2 says: " genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". So, as discriminatory as these actions are, they do not meet the definition of genocide. I could mention some times in the past when genocide has been an issue, but I'm not going to compare this to those events. There is no protection in law in any part of the UK against discrimination on the basis of having a criminal record of any type for any offence or offences. Sadly. Of course, the system should be more sympathetic and supportive towards your situation. After all, they are required to make reasonable adjustments to accommodate any person who has a disability. A disability is defined by the Equality Act 2010 as follows: " (1)A person (P) has a disability if—(a)P has a physical or mental impairment, and(b)the impairment has a substantial and long-term adverse effect on P's ability to carry out normal day-to-day activities", which probably means you are included. Maybe that would be a better line of approach. Yes true, although there are definitions of genocide that are more 'flexibly' worded than the United Nations definition. I take the points raised but fundamentally our approach to all offending but especially sex/violent offending needs to change to a more preventative model - by which I don't mean the current 'virtual home arrest' approach, but courses and professional assessment by independent practitioners who are not motivated by self protection or blanket overly harsh regulation [Offered by Lucy Faithful foundation but costing over £4k I believe]. Another way could be the government putting its money where its mouth is on rehabilitation by offering a form of indemnity to companies who employ offenders of all types - perhaps a bounty of £10k and/or a form of insurance to recompense for any proven issues. This would be far, far cheaper than constantly subjecting risky offenders to interrogation and 'live' risk assessment although these could run alongside if needed for that first year. I don't get the impression any organization including probation is remotely motivated to rehabilitee sex offenders (point noted about some believing this can never take place but would dispute it for offences like indecent images). For tax payer cost and efficiency alone, we need a much more positive system. I would estimate Kent Police have wasted around £500k over 6 years on my case. Preventing Human beings from working and social contact can drive the issues which sent them on a downwards spiral in the first place. I have been incredibly lucky, had support, and had some success on all fronts, but I shouldn't NEED luck to rehabilitate, thats supposed to be part of the Criminal Justice system, and thats what is missing. Of course all the money being spent on offender management and a LOT of benefits, is not being spent teaching our kids about the issue, or investigating harm against them. The Creedon report last year made similar observations. A small number of reforms were then proposed in the Victims and Sentencing bill, which never became law thanks to the election. Hopefully James Timpson will read the Creedon report and take note of it, although he is no friend of SO. But this is going to be an important issue for a govt desperate to save money. The police are already being overwhelmed by the numbers of offenders they have to monitor and tomorrow there are going to be another 2,000 ex-cons out on the streets, which will overwhelm probation too. Freeing up police resources to tackle shoplifting for example, will require taking officers from elsewhere and the numbers would suggest that something has to give. Hi Were I fully agree with your comments especially the workload they have, I personally believe that the "public perspective" of offenders in general, never mind ex-SO's, is that the authorities are very afraid and so unwilling to undertake any major changes. If you just look at the fact that the process is heavily reliant on the "psychology" profession to gain convictions and explanations as to what is wrong with an offender, when it is used by the "ex-offender" as mitigation or to show they are no longer a "risk"; so for example support their removal from the SOR, it is generally dismissed. As in the case of the recommendation in the creedon report to review the removal a "low risk ex-so" at the 10 year stage by the Police, the Government will agree to it at the exisiting 15 year point but will not reduce it to a 10 year review! They get the sympathy instead of the accusations by leaving laws/processes as they are or change what looks like supporting / listening!
Society suggests I must let go of all my expectations but I disagree, as whilst I have a voice, I have hope.
Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope is for tomorrow else what is left if you remove a mans hope.
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+x+x+xGenocide (art. 2 of UN convention ratified 1952) 'Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group' 'Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part' Suicides of males of 2023-2024 = 3042* Suicides of people under police management = (674) There were 360 self-inflicted deaths between April 2022 and March 2023, and there were 314 deaths unexplained.** Its commonly supposed by the general public that deaths of offenders are guilt-related. Undoubtedly this is a factor. However, looking at some academic (and government reporting) suggests many offenders kill themselves simply because of frustration at their inability to rejoin society and carry on. Example: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666353820300059This has been my personal experience (being driven to kill myself at the probation office, after having my training and education prevented, and my 18m relationship undermined to destruction), which was labelled as 'revenge' against the system. I was convicted of possession of indecent images, certainly a shameful offence, but that criminal record is in my experience a complete barrier to having anything like a normal life permanently, even after 6 years of rehabilitation and counselling (which I have paid for myself). I was actually rebuilding my life, with a job and a long term relationship before my conviction (the length of time the police took to investigate [two unencrypted devices] at over a year is another factor I feel is depressing people to the point of suicide because they can't move on during that time). I feel that agents with the criminal justice system (CJS) are far too inclined to blame the offenders for these issues, rather than make a meaningul effort to help them rehabilitate. Certainly access to the NHS is a joke - they do not have the resources for general mental health let alone the specialist knowledge of what makes people offend, and cannot change the approach of the CJS, so the problems just escalate. I found some NHS professionals very judgemental indeed (although some frontline staff were fantastic). Hence my title 'Genocide' because every agent I have interacted with has ignored the issues. Also the police have NO POLICY FOR MENTALLY DISABLED people only mental health issues (I am austistic and find the SHPO challenging). When I have raised simple points for improvement, they have pretty much laughed in my face (includes ironically probation, but police as well). Everyone just wants to follow procedure. I think following orders blindly makes you no better than a concentration camp guard during WW2 (many criminals and mentally disabled people were murdered). I'm currently facing a court case and further prosecution for failing to declare a pc I was sent and never used for review. I am guilty of this. But its mainly down to the autism which I have finally received medication for after waiting two years. The police know this, but want to follow 'the process'. Pointless? I think so. * https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england/statistical-report-near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england-for-the-15-months-to-august-2023#findings** https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023*** https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprobation/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2022/07/Suicide-and-self-harm-staff-experiences-v1.0.pdf Before the part you quoted, Article 2 says: " genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". So, as discriminatory as these actions are, they do not meet the definition of genocide. I could mention some times in the past when genocide has been an issue, but I'm not going to compare this to those events. There is no protection in law in any part of the UK against discrimination on the basis of having a criminal record of any type for any offence or offences. Sadly. Of course, the system should be more sympathetic and supportive towards your situation. After all, they are required to make reasonable adjustments to accommodate any person who has a disability. A disability is defined by the Equality Act 2010 as follows: " (1)A person (P) has a disability if—(a)P has a physical or mental impairment, and(b)the impairment has a substantial and long-term adverse effect on P's ability to carry out normal day-to-day activities", which probably means you are included. Maybe that would be a better line of approach. Yes true, although there are definitions of genocide that are more 'flexibly' worded than the United Nations definition. I take the points raised but fundamentally our approach to all offending but especially sex/violent offending needs to change to a more preventative model - by which I don't mean the current 'virtual home arrest' approach, but courses and professional assessment by independent practitioners who are not motivated by self protection or blanket overly harsh regulation [Offered by Lucy Faithful foundation but costing over £4k I believe]. Another way could be the government putting its money where its mouth is on rehabilitation by offering a form of indemnity to companies who employ offenders of all types - perhaps a bounty of £10k and/or a form of insurance to recompense for any proven issues. This would be far, far cheaper than constantly subjecting risky offenders to interrogation and 'live' risk assessment although these could run alongside if needed for that first year. I don't get the impression any organization including probation is remotely motivated to rehabilitee sex offenders (point noted about some believing this can never take place but would dispute it for offences like indecent images). For tax payer cost and efficiency alone, we need a much more positive system. I would estimate Kent Police have wasted around £500k over 6 years on my case. Preventing Human beings from working and social contact can drive the issues which sent them on a downwards spiral in the first place. I have been incredibly lucky, had support, and had some success on all fronts, but I shouldn't NEED luck to rehabilitate, thats supposed to be part of the Criminal Justice system, and thats what is missing. Of course all the money being spent on offender management and a LOT of benefits, is not being spent teaching our kids about the issue, or investigating harm against them. The Creedon report last year made similar observations. A small number of reforms were then proposed in the Victims and Sentencing bill, which never became law thanks to the election. Hopefully James Timpson will read the Creedon report and take note of it, although he is no friend of SO. But this is going to be an important issue for a govt desperate to save money. The police are already being overwhelmed by the numbers of offenders they have to monitor and tomorrow there are going to be another 2,000 ex-cons out on the streets, which will overwhelm probation too. Freeing up police resources to tackle shoplifting for example, will require taking officers from elsewhere and the numbers would suggest that something has to give.
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+x+xGenocide (art. 2 of UN convention ratified 1952) 'Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group' 'Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part' Suicides of males of 2023-2024 = 3042* Suicides of people under police management = (674) There were 360 self-inflicted deaths between April 2022 and March 2023, and there were 314 deaths unexplained.** Its commonly supposed by the general public that deaths of offenders are guilt-related. Undoubtedly this is a factor. However, looking at some academic (and government reporting) suggests many offenders kill themselves simply because of frustration at their inability to rejoin society and carry on. Example: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666353820300059This has been my personal experience (being driven to kill myself at the probation office, after having my training and education prevented, and my 18m relationship undermined to destruction), which was labelled as 'revenge' against the system. I was convicted of possession of indecent images, certainly a shameful offence, but that criminal record is in my experience a complete barrier to having anything like a normal life permanently, even after 6 years of rehabilitation and counselling (which I have paid for myself). I was actually rebuilding my life, with a job and a long term relationship before my conviction (the length of time the police took to investigate [two unencrypted devices] at over a year is another factor I feel is depressing people to the point of suicide because they can't move on during that time). I feel that agents with the criminal justice system (CJS) are far too inclined to blame the offenders for these issues, rather than make a meaningul effort to help them rehabilitate. Certainly access to the NHS is a joke - they do not have the resources for general mental health let alone the specialist knowledge of what makes people offend, and cannot change the approach of the CJS, so the problems just escalate. I found some NHS professionals very judgemental indeed (although some frontline staff were fantastic). Hence my title 'Genocide' because every agent I have interacted with has ignored the issues. Also the police have NO POLICY FOR MENTALLY DISABLED people only mental health issues (I am austistic and find the SHPO challenging). When I have raised simple points for improvement, they have pretty much laughed in my face (includes ironically probation, but police as well). Everyone just wants to follow procedure. I think following orders blindly makes you no better than a concentration camp guard during WW2 (many criminals and mentally disabled people were murdered). I'm currently facing a court case and further prosecution for failing to declare a pc I was sent and never used for review. I am guilty of this. But its mainly down to the autism which I have finally received medication for after waiting two years. The police know this, but want to follow 'the process'. Pointless? I think so. * https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england/statistical-report-near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england-for-the-15-months-to-august-2023#findings** https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023*** https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprobation/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2022/07/Suicide-and-self-harm-staff-experiences-v1.0.pdf Before the part you quoted, Article 2 says: " genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". So, as discriminatory as these actions are, they do not meet the definition of genocide. I could mention some times in the past when genocide has been an issue, but I'm not going to compare this to those events. There is no protection in law in any part of the UK against discrimination on the basis of having a criminal record of any type for any offence or offences. Sadly. Of course, the system should be more sympathetic and supportive towards your situation. After all, they are required to make reasonable adjustments to accommodate any person who has a disability. A disability is defined by the Equality Act 2010 as follows: " (1)A person (P) has a disability if—(a)P has a physical or mental impairment, and(b)the impairment has a substantial and long-term adverse effect on P's ability to carry out normal day-to-day activities", which probably means you are included. Maybe that would be a better line of approach. Yes true, although there are definitions of genocide that are more 'flexibly' worded than the United Nations definition. I take the points raised but fundamentally our approach to all offending but especially sex/violent offending needs to change to a more preventative model - by which I don't mean the current 'virtual home arrest' approach, but courses and professional assessment by independent practitioners who are not motivated by self protection or blanket overly harsh regulation [Offered by Lucy Faithful foundation but costing over £4k I believe]. Another way could be the government putting its money where its mouth is on rehabilitation by offering a form of indemnity to companies who employ offenders of all types - perhaps a bounty of £10k and/or a form of insurance to recompense for any proven issues. This would be far, far cheaper than constantly subjecting risky offenders to interrogation and 'live' risk assessment although these could run alongside if needed for that first year. I don't get the impression any organization including probation is remotely motivated to rehabilitee sex offenders (point noted about some believing this can never take place but would dispute it for offences like indecent images). For tax payer cost and efficiency alone, we need a much more positive system. I would estimate Kent Police have wasted around £500k over 6 years on my case. Preventing Human beings from working and social contact can drive the issues which sent them on a downwards spiral in the first place. I have been incredibly lucky, had support, and had some success on all fronts, but I shouldn't NEED luck to rehabilitate, thats supposed to be part of the Criminal Justice system, and thats what is missing. Of course all the money being spent on offender management and a LOT of benefits, is not being spent teaching our kids about the issue, or investigating harm against them.
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+x+xGenocide (art. 2 of UN convention ratified 1952) 'Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group' 'Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part' Suicides of males of 2023-2024 = 3042* Suicides of people under police management = (674) There were 360 self-inflicted deaths between April 2022 and March 2023, and there were 314 deaths unexplained.** Its commonly supposed by the general public that deaths of offenders are guilt-related. Undoubtedly this is a factor. However, looking at some academic (and government reporting) suggests many offenders kill themselves simply because of frustration at their inability to rejoin society and carry on. Example: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666353820300059This has been my personal experience (being driven to kill myself at the probation office, after having my training and education prevented, and my 18m relationship undermined to destruction), which was labelled as 'revenge' against the system. I was convicted of possession of indecent images, certainly a shameful offence, but that criminal record is in my experience a complete barrier to having anything like a normal life permanently, even after 6 years of rehabilitation and counselling (which I have paid for myself). I was actually rebuilding my life, with a job and a long term relationship before my conviction (the length of time the police took to investigate [two unencrypted devices] at over a year is another factor I feel is depressing people to the point of suicide because they can't move on during that time). I feel that agents with the criminal justice system (CJS) are far too inclined to blame the offenders for these issues, rather than make a meaningul effort to help them rehabilitate. Certainly access to the NHS is a joke - they do not have the resources for general mental health let alone the specialist knowledge of what makes people offend, and cannot change the approach of the CJS, so the problems just escalate. I found some NHS professionals very judgemental indeed (although some frontline staff were fantastic). Hence my title 'Genocide' because every agent I have interacted with has ignored the issues. Also the police have NO POLICY FOR MENTALLY DISABLED people only mental health issues (I am austistic and find the SHPO challenging). When I have raised simple points for improvement, they have pretty much laughed in my face (includes ironically probation, but police as well). Everyone just wants to follow procedure. I think following orders blindly makes you no better than a concentration camp guard during WW2 (many criminals and mentally disabled people were murdered). I'm currently facing a court case and further prosecution for failing to declare a pc I was sent and never used for review. I am guilty of this. But its mainly down to the autism which I have finally received medication for after waiting two years. The police know this, but want to follow 'the process'. Pointless? I think so. * https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england/statistical-report-near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england-for-the-15-months-to-august-2023#findings** https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023*** https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprobation/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2022/07/Suicide-and-self-harm-staff-experiences-v1.0.pdf You would be better off looking at the Equality Act 2010. They have to take into account disabilities, which includes autism and and make allowances for that. If they don't they can be fined for discrimination. Applies to police, probation, prisons etc. https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/equality/equality-act-2010/your-rights-under-equality-act-2010/disability-discrimination Good point, I would or rather its a pity it could not be linked/used to protect such people as us from Society, the media and Government.
Society suggests I must let go of all my expectations but I disagree, as whilst I have a voice, I have hope.
Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope is for tomorrow else what is left if you remove a mans hope.
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+xGenocide (art. 2 of UN convention ratified 1952) 'Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group' 'Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part' Suicides of males of 2023-2024 = 3042* Suicides of people under police management = (674) There were 360 self-inflicted deaths between April 2022 and March 2023, and there were 314 deaths unexplained.** Its commonly supposed by the general public that deaths of offenders are guilt-related. Undoubtedly this is a factor. However, looking at some academic (and government reporting) suggests many offenders kill themselves simply because of frustration at their inability to rejoin society and carry on. Example: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666353820300059This has been my personal experience (being driven to kill myself at the probation office, after having my training and education prevented, and my 18m relationship undermined to destruction), which was labelled as 'revenge' against the system. I was convicted of possession of indecent images, certainly a shameful offence, but that criminal record is in my experience a complete barrier to having anything like a normal life permanently, even after 6 years of rehabilitation and counselling (which I have paid for myself). I was actually rebuilding my life, with a job and a long term relationship before my conviction (the length of time the police took to investigate [two unencrypted devices] at over a year is another factor I feel is depressing people to the point of suicide because they can't move on during that time). I feel that agents with the criminal justice system (CJS) are far too inclined to blame the offenders for these issues, rather than make a meaningul effort to help them rehabilitate. Certainly access to the NHS is a joke - they do not have the resources for general mental health let alone the specialist knowledge of what makes people offend, and cannot change the approach of the CJS, so the problems just escalate. I found some NHS professionals very judgemental indeed (although some frontline staff were fantastic). Hence my title 'Genocide' because every agent I have interacted with has ignored the issues. Also the police have NO POLICY FOR MENTALLY DISABLED people only mental health issues (I am austistic and find the SHPO challenging). When I have raised simple points for improvement, they have pretty much laughed in my face (includes ironically probation, but police as well). Everyone just wants to follow procedure. I think following orders blindly makes you no better than a concentration camp guard during WW2 (many criminals and mentally disabled people were murdered). I'm currently facing a court case and further prosecution for failing to declare a pc I was sent and never used for review. I am guilty of this. But its mainly down to the autism which I have finally received medication for after waiting two years. The police know this, but want to follow 'the process'. Pointless? I think so. * https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england/statistical-report-near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england-for-the-15-months-to-august-2023#findings** https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023*** https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprobation/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2022/07/Suicide-and-self-harm-staff-experiences-v1.0.pdf You would be better off looking at the Equality Act 2010. They have to take into account disabilities, which includes autism and and make allowances for that. If they don't they can be fined for discrimination. Applies to police, probation, prisons etc. https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/equality/equality-act-2010/your-rights-under-equality-act-2010/disability-discrimination
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+xGenocide (art. 2 of UN convention ratified 1952) 'Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group' 'Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part' Suicides of males of 2023-2024 = 3042* Suicides of people under police management = (674) There were 360 self-inflicted deaths between April 2022 and March 2023, and there were 314 deaths unexplained.** Its commonly supposed by the general public that deaths of offenders are guilt-related. Undoubtedly this is a factor. However, looking at some academic (and government reporting) suggests many offenders kill themselves simply because of frustration at their inability to rejoin society and carry on. Example: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666353820300059This has been my personal experience (being driven to kill myself at the probation office, after having my training and education prevented, and my 18m relationship undermined to destruction), which was labelled as 'revenge' against the system. I was convicted of possession of indecent images, certainly a shameful offence, but that criminal record is in my experience a complete barrier to having anything like a normal life permanently, even after 6 years of rehabilitation and counselling (which I have paid for myself). I was actually rebuilding my life, with a job and a long term relationship before my conviction (the length of time the police took to investigate [two unencrypted devices] at over a year is another factor I feel is depressing people to the point of suicide because they can't move on during that time). I feel that agents with the criminal justice system (CJS) are far too inclined to blame the offenders for these issues, rather than make a meaningul effort to help them rehabilitate. Certainly access to the NHS is a joke - they do not have the resources for general mental health let alone the specialist knowledge of what makes people offend, and cannot change the approach of the CJS, so the problems just escalate. I found some NHS professionals very judgemental indeed (although some frontline staff were fantastic). Hence my title 'Genocide' because every agent I have interacted with has ignored the issues. Also the police have NO POLICY FOR MENTALLY DISABLED people only mental health issues (I am austistic and find the SHPO challenging). When I have raised simple points for improvement, they have pretty much laughed in my face (includes ironically probation, but police as well). Everyone just wants to follow procedure. I think following orders blindly makes you no better than a concentration camp guard during WW2 (many criminals and mentally disabled people were murdered). I'm currently facing a court case and further prosecution for failing to declare a pc I was sent and never used for review. I am guilty of this. But its mainly down to the autism which I have finally received medication for after waiting two years. The police know this, but want to follow 'the process'. Pointless? I think so. * https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england/statistical-report-near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england-for-the-15-months-to-august-2023#findings** https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023*** https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprobation/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2022/07/Suicide-and-self-harm-staff-experiences-v1.0.pdf Hi AB2014's point could sound blunt but do not take it as that. I'm sure its point is to just to "ease" your mind which; due to other conditions, does seem to urge you to seek possible ways of gaining support for your scenario. Which is justifiable. I would never insult you by claiming my words can assist you with your "medical conditions" but like others, I would hope they may be able to support you on some aspects that may slightly improve your life. By that I mean your topic would suggest you have taken a lot of time to research what you feel is a justifiable opinion. However, could I suggest you use that energy to focus on the aspects of your life "YOU" can control and so affect? I know that is always easy to say and so hard to execute but being an ex-so myself, I do believe it is the only positive use of my inner self which will allow me to face the challenges an EX-SO faces and has to overcome. You mention you have paid for your own courses which is a positive step but, I am sorry to say in the view of many it means little due to their bias against ex-so's. In fact many believe there is no such thing as an ex-so. You / we cannot change that opinion simply, but you can demonstrate the possibility by the manner you develop and control your emotions going forward. As you mention "help" is not always easy to gain but the authorities; in my opinion, do not consider that as mitigation. So as I mentioned, use the energy you used to research this topic in focusing on how you can help / learn / find some solutions to improving your own quality of life to whatever level you can. You will always have others hear to listen.
Society suggests I must let go of all my expectations but I disagree, as whilst I have a voice, I have hope.
Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope is for tomorrow else what is left if you remove a mans hope.
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This forum supports these words, thank you Unlock and your contributors.
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AB2014
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+xGenocide (art. 2 of UN convention ratified 1952) 'Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group' 'Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part' Suicides of males of 2023-2024 = 3042* Suicides of people under police management = (674) There were 360 self-inflicted deaths between April 2022 and March 2023, and there were 314 deaths unexplained.** Its commonly supposed by the general public that deaths of offenders are guilt-related. Undoubtedly this is a factor. However, looking at some academic (and government reporting) suggests many offenders kill themselves simply because of frustration at their inability to rejoin society and carry on. Example: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666353820300059This has been my personal experience (being driven to kill myself at the probation office, after having my training and education prevented, and my 18m relationship undermined to destruction), which was labelled as 'revenge' against the system. I was convicted of possession of indecent images, certainly a shameful offence, but that criminal record is in my experience a complete barrier to having anything like a normal life permanently, even after 6 years of rehabilitation and counselling (which I have paid for myself). I was actually rebuilding my life, with a job and a long term relationship before my conviction (the length of time the police took to investigate [two unencrypted devices] at over a year is another factor I feel is depressing people to the point of suicide because they can't move on during that time). I feel that agents with the criminal justice system (CJS) are far too inclined to blame the offenders for these issues, rather than make a meaningul effort to help them rehabilitate. Certainly access to the NHS is a joke - they do not have the resources for general mental health let alone the specialist knowledge of what makes people offend, and cannot change the approach of the CJS, so the problems just escalate. I found some NHS professionals very judgemental indeed (although some frontline staff were fantastic). Hence my title 'Genocide' because every agent I have interacted with has ignored the issues. Also the police have NO POLICY FOR MENTALLY DISABLED people only mental health issues (I am austistic and find the SHPO challenging). When I have raised simple points for improvement, they have pretty much laughed in my face (includes ironically probation, but police as well). Everyone just wants to follow procedure. I think following orders blindly makes you no better than a concentration camp guard during WW2 (many criminals and mentally disabled people were murdered). I'm currently facing a court case and further prosecution for failing to declare a pc I was sent and never used for review. I am guilty of this. But its mainly down to the autism which I have finally received medication for after waiting two years. The police know this, but want to follow 'the process'. Pointless? I think so. * https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england/statistical-report-near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england-for-the-15-months-to-august-2023#findings** https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023*** https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprobation/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2022/07/Suicide-and-self-harm-staff-experiences-v1.0.pdf Before the part you quoted, Article 2 says: " genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". So, as discriminatory as these actions are, they do not meet the definition of genocide. I could mention some times in the past when genocide has been an issue, but I'm not going to compare this to those events. There is no protection in law in any part of the UK against discrimination on the basis of having a criminal record of any type for any offence or offences. Sadly. Of course, the system should be more sympathetic and supportive towards your situation. After all, they are required to make reasonable adjustments to accommodate any person who has a disability. A disability is defined by the Equality Act 2010 as follows: " (1)A person (P) has a disability if—(a)P has a physical or mental impairment, and(b)the impairment has a substantial and long-term adverse effect on P's ability to carry out normal day-to-day activities", which probably means you are included. Maybe that would be a better line of approach.
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If you are to punish a man retributively you must injure him. If you are to reform him you must improve him. And men are not improved by injuries. (George Bernard Shaw)
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Genocide (art. 2 of UN convention ratified 1952) 'Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group' 'Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part' Suicides of males of 2023-2024 = 3042* Suicides of people under police management = (674) There were 360 self-inflicted deaths between April 2022 and March 2023, and there were 314 deaths unexplained.** Its commonly supposed by the general public that deaths of offenders are guilt-related. Undoubtedly this is a factor. However, looking at some academic (and government reporting) suggests many offenders kill themselves simply because of frustration at their inability to rejoin society and carry on. Example: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666353820300059This has been my personal experience (being driven to kill myself at the probation office, after having my training and education prevented, and my 18m relationship undermined to destruction), which was labelled as 'revenge' against the system. I was convicted of possession of indecent images, certainly a shameful offence, but that criminal record is in my experience a complete barrier to having anything like a normal life permanently, even after 6 years of rehabilitation and counselling (which I have paid for myself). I was actually rebuilding my life, with a job and a long term relationship before my conviction (the length of time the police took to investigate [two unencrypted devices] at over a year is another factor I feel is depressing people to the point of suicide because they can't move on during that time). I feel that agents with the criminal justice system (CJS) are far too inclined to blame the offenders for these issues, rather than make a meaningul effort to help them rehabilitate. Certainly access to the NHS is a joke - they do not have the resources for general mental health let alone the specialist knowledge of what makes people offend, and cannot change the approach of the CJS, so the problems just escalate. I found some NHS professionals very judgemental indeed (although some frontline staff were fantastic). Hence my title 'Genocide' because every agent I have interacted with has ignored the issues. Also the police have NO POLICY FOR MENTALLY DISABLED people only mental health issues (I am austistic and find the SHPO challenging). When I have raised simple points for improvement, they have pretty much laughed in my face (includes ironically probation, but police as well). Everyone just wants to follow procedure. I think following orders blindly makes you no better than a concentration camp guard during WW2 (many criminals and mentally disabled people were murdered). I'm currently facing a court case and further prosecution for failing to declare a pc I was sent and never used for review. I am guilty of this. But its mainly down to the autism which I have finally received medication for after waiting two years. The police know this, but want to follow 'the process'. Pointless? I think so. * https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england/statistical-report-near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england-for-the-15-months-to-august-2023#findings** https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023*** https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprobation/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2022/07/Suicide-and-self-harm-staff-experiences-v1.0.pdf
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