Hi
Thank you for the reply.
I was aware of the majority of the reply but thanks for the detailed reminder. It was just the confusion on the one point as I explained. Again it seems the system's monitor's are inaccurate.

For Info:
Your final sentence is something I have been working at since ending the "licence" period of my sentence. I have been successful on removing the majority of my conditions within 6 years of the court order and now concentrating on the final two conditions that; being pedantic, have no justification or linkage to my actual offence. This point seems to be acknowledge as my PPU is receptive to supporting my application in the near future. In other words, these two allow 'regressive questioning' opportunities on the yearly visits.  That would then give me 5 years to plan the SOR application. For clarity I prefer to work with my PPU so gaining their support even though past the 5 year requirement; obviously in the end I will/do proceed without it in a constructive and challenging manner.

Strange fact
Re: 'your first notification period normally being the first time you register 3 days after leaving prison.' This default example has caused confusion with various "authorities" due to their not reading my file. In some discussions they are unaware that I was on bail for 2 years before sentencing - even though I admitted my quilt at the initial Police interview. The strange part was that it took a year for me to be able to enter a plea in court and so I registered on the SOR for the first time a year before I was sentenced. This obviously means I was already 3 years into being on the SOR at the point of your example.

As ever keep safe and writing.



Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope is for tomorrow else what is left if you remove a mans hope.

Hi JASB

Hope your well, let me try and clear this up, you need to look at it from two sides of the coin.

There is no direct relationship between the rehabilitation of offenders act and the sex offences register.

In your situation you were sentenced to 4 years, that gives you a rehabilitation period of your 4 year sentence plus 7 year buffer period.

In the normal situation after that period your conviction would be classed as spent.

Your trouble is that you have an active court order, in this instance a SOPO/SHPO, and while this is active then the rehabilitation of offenders act does not apply and your conviction remains unspent while the order is active. 

This apples not only to SHPO/SOPO but any active court order for eg 

• Criminal Behaviour Orders
• Compensation Orders
• Confiscation Orders
• Disqualification from driving
• Football Banning Orders
• Forfeiture Orders
• Restraining Orders
• Sexual Harm Prevention Orders

Hi BenS,
I rec'd 4 yrs sentence so life time SOR - I will appeal at 15 yrs stage.
I have a sopo but hope to have removed in next year.
However i have always been told that it will become spent 7 years from the end of my 4 yrs sentence - PPU and PO stated this.
I know I cannot appeal to come off SOR whilst I have sopo conditions so has there been confusion over the information you give?
No offence but I am confused at what you suggest as it goes against the information provided to me?

Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope is for tomorrow else what is left if you remove a mans hope.

The fact that your conviction is spent makes no difference while you are still on the SOR. You still have to notify travel to your PPU. If EU travel, they will place an alert on the Schengen Information System (at least until the end of the Brexit transition period, afterwards depends on what deal is negotiated). Beyond the EU, the PPU will undertake a risk assessment and determine whether to issue a green notice or not. Spend/unspent unfortunately doesn't change any of those processes at the moment.

Hi Harry53

Until the end of the year travelling within Europe and the schengen area Will not change no mater if your conviction is spent or not, once brixt set in then it’s a different story, the links below from the unlock hub page gives some good information 

https://hub.unlock.org.uk/travel-to-the-eu-post-brexit/#offences-listed-in-the-annex

what you have to remember is while your on the register you have to notify the police to travel out side the uk.

i would there for wait until you are off the register to travel world wide outside of Europe, because you would be able to for example go to the USA using an ESTA lie that you don’t have a record on the form, go and have a good time and then come back to the UK, you could do the same to get into Canada.

you need to remember that the UK does not share information with other countries regarding the PNC.

so if you try and travel while still on the register to eg USA your PPU officer will open a whole can of worms because they will ask what have you done about a visa. Once your off the register you can do what you like 

hope that makes sense 

My conviction will be spent next summer. I am retired so not worried about disclosures but will it ease my travel to other countries ? I will have 5 years left on my SOR when it is spent

Simple answer: your conviction is unspent for as long as you have an SHPO, regardless of the rehabilitation period of the sentence.

As an example, imagine you have a 1-year sentence with a 10-year SHPO:

The 1-year sentence would usually be spent after 4 years as per the ROA. However, due to the SHPO, it will remain unspent until the 10 years is up.

Hope that helps clarify things.

Being on the SOR is different, and does not make an otherwise spent conviction, unspent. It's only a SOPO/SHPO that stops a conviction from being spent.

I used the calculator to work out my conviction is spent.
However, I am on the SOR and have an SHPO for a duration which will be longer than that.
My Q: Is it still spent when the calculator says or will it not be spent until the SOR and SHPO are finished?


=====
Fighting or Accepting - its difficult to know which is right and when.

Hi,

The difference between spent and unspent is that unspent convictions have to be disclosed for work or insurance, if you are asked. Unspent convictions don't have to be disclosed for insurance or for most jobs. There's information about this on the Unlock website here. You can apply for jobs if your conviction is still unspent - there's information about it on the Unlock website here.

Good luck

=========================================================================================================

If you are to punish a man retributively you must injure him. If you are to reform him you must improve him. And men are not improved by injuries. (George Bernard Shaw)

Can you explain here what it is mean?

What is different between Spent and Unspent?
I still can apply the job if I am still on spent and unspent?
Thank you