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+xA fixed penalty notice doesn't count as an OOCD, so it wasn't that. If it were a caution, then I would have expected the media would have reported that he had been cautioned, not given an OOCD, but the police were deliberately vague, about which type of OOCD had been used, which made me wonder. So it certainly sounds like a community remedy, which would involve him signing a piece of paper, promising not to do it again. Not much of a deterrent. Plus, he does have form, having been in trouble for hosting a sex party with two escorts during lockdown. He's displaying all the signs of sex addiction and he needs to get help, which is what a conditional caution is for. The police could then have insisted that he attend treatment as one of the conditions. As for whether or not he will turn out to be another Wayne Couzens, only time will tell. If it was a disposal out of court, it was an out of court disposal. A caution can be seen as an out of court disposal, as are all the informal disposals/resolutions. It's not the same as a civil case where an out of court agreement is reached. The disposal is just the end result, so NFA can be seen as an out of court disposal. As for whether he will turn out to be another Wayne Couzens, I suspect that he would not pass police vetting, especially as things are at the moment, so I'm confident he won't be using official police ID to abduct a woman on the streets. I'm sure there is a large difference between sex addiction and an inflated sense of entitlement.
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A fixed penalty notice doesn't count as an OOCD, so it wasn't that. If it were a caution, then I would have expected the media would have reported that he had been cautioned, not given an OOCD, but the police were deliberately vague, about which type of OOCD had been used, which made me wonder.
So it certainly sounds like a community remedy, which would involve him signing a piece of paper, promising not to do it again. Not much of a deterrent. Plus, he does have form, having been in trouble for hosting a sex party with two escorts during lockdown. He's displaying all the signs of sex addiction and he needs to get help, which is what a conditional caution is for. The police could then have insisted that he attend treatment as one of the conditions.
As for whether or not he will turn out to be another Wayne Couzens, only time will tell.
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+x+x+xIt says in the news that Kyle Walker was dealt with by an out of court disposal, but what does that actually mean? "Cheshire police explains on its website, that out of court disposals are “used by the police to deal with low-level crime and anti-social behaviour instead of taking an offender to court. They are a way to resolve an investigation where the offender is known and has admitted to the offence.” So he has admitted the offence, meaning it was not an NFA, so has he been cautioned? With a non sexual crime, a caution means you can carry on with your life, as if nothing happened, but a caution for an SO means you are treated as a monster, for the next two years. There are two types of OOCD, one is a 'community remedy' and the other is a conditional caution, so which one was used here? Is he on the SOR or the DBS list and does he have to inform the police everytime he goes abroad? Will he still be able to have unsupervised access to the youth team? It's only a few days since Wayne Couzens was convicted of the same offence and at the time, we were told that these types of offences are a warning sign. If police dont treat them seriously, then the person will go on to commit more serious offences. But he is still employed by Man City and still playing for England? Hi As he is still playing and I am not aware that the Police or ?? have provided the truth about what occured, I think we can safetly say it was probably nothing that would be recorded officially. The police would have had to record whatever it was, as they can't just "lose" the record or leave it hanging. He might have been given a Fixed Penalty Notice, which wouldn't go on the PNC for DBS checks. It might have been a Community Resolution Order, which is handled in the same way but doesn't involve any financial penalty, in case he is struggling with the cost of living at the moment. If he wasn't cautioned or convicted then he won't be on the SOR. If he was never actually arrested, then he won't have anything to disclose to anyone except the police. It's not the first time he has been investigated for allegedly doing something ill-advised, is it? Hi I agree with you but I meant by saying "officially recorded" was leaning to the scenario that they followed the same logic that due to the "evidence" or rather lack and blown out of proportion by the media, it could of been just a chat with him. Doubt we will ever know the true facts and if it was the media escalating it I support him.
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+x+xIt says in the news that Kyle Walker was dealt with by an out of court disposal, but what does that actually mean? "Cheshire police explains on its website, that out of court disposals are “used by the police to deal with low-level crime and anti-social behaviour instead of taking an offender to court. They are a way to resolve an investigation where the offender is known and has admitted to the offence.” So he has admitted the offence, meaning it was not an NFA, so has he been cautioned? With a non sexual crime, a caution means you can carry on with your life, as if nothing happened, but a caution for an SO means you are treated as a monster, for the next two years. There are two types of OOCD, one is a 'community remedy' and the other is a conditional caution, so which one was used here? Is he on the SOR or the DBS list and does he have to inform the police everytime he goes abroad? Will he still be able to have unsupervised access to the youth team? It's only a few days since Wayne Couzens was convicted of the same offence and at the time, we were told that these types of offences are a warning sign. If police dont treat them seriously, then the person will go on to commit more serious offences. But he is still employed by Man City and still playing for England? Hi As he is still playing and I am not aware that the Police or ?? have provided the truth about what occured, I think we can safetly say it was probably nothing that would be recorded officially. The police would have had to record whatever it was, as they can't just "lose" the record or leave it hanging. He might have been given a Fixed Penalty Notice, which wouldn't go on the PNC for DBS checks. It might have been a Community Resolution Order, which is handled in the same way but doesn't involve any financial penalty, in case he is struggling with the cost of living at the moment. If he wasn't cautioned or convicted then he won't be on the SOR. If he was never actually arrested, then he won't have anything to disclose to anyone except the police. It's not the first time he has been investigated for allegedly doing something ill-advised, is it?
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With things like this I always wonder who got the police involved. The Sun has the CCTV but seemingly none of the people he was with made the complaint and I wonder if that affects the outcome.
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+xIt says in the news that Kyle Walker was dealt with by an out of court disposal, but what does that actually mean? "Cheshire police explains on its website, that out of court disposals are “used by the police to deal with low-level crime and anti-social behaviour instead of taking an offender to court. They are a way to resolve an investigation where the offender is known and has admitted to the offence.” So he has admitted the offence, meaning it was not an NFA, so has he been cautioned? With a non sexual crime, a caution means you can carry on with your life, as if nothing happened, but a caution for an SO means you are treated as a monster, for the next two years. There are two types of OOCD, one is a 'community remedy' and the other is a conditional caution, so which one was used here? Is he on the SOR or the DBS list and does he have to inform the police everytime he goes abroad? Will he still be able to have unsupervised access to the youth team? It's only a few days since Wayne Couzens was convicted of the same offence and at the time, we were told that these types of offences are a warning sign. If police dont treat them seriously, then the person will go on to commit more serious offences. But he is still employed by Man City and still playing for England? Hi As he is still playing and I am not aware that the Police or ?? have provided the truth about what occured, I think we can safetly say it was probably nothing that would be recorded officially.
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+xIt says in the news that Kyle Walker was dealt with by an out of court disposal, but what does that actually mean? "Cheshire police explains on its website, that out of court disposals are “used by the police to deal with low-level crime and anti-social behaviour instead of taking an offender to court. They are a way to resolve an investigation where the offender is known and has admitted to the offence.” So he has admitted the offence, meaning it was not an NFA, so has he been cautioned? With a non sexual crime, a caution means you can carry on with your life, as if nothing happened, but a caution for an SO means you are treated as a monster, for the next two years. There are two types of OOCD, one is a 'community remedy' and the other is a conditional caution, so which one was used here? Is he on the SOR or the DBS list and does he have to inform the police everytime he goes abroad? Will he still be able to have unsupervised access to the youth team? It's only a few days since Wayne Couzens was convicted of the same offence and at the time, we were told that these types of offences are a warning sign. If police dont treat them seriously, then the person will go on to commit more serious offences. But he is still employed by Man City and still playing for England? I would suspect it's a community remedy. It's what I got when I notified a credit card within the 3 days of it becoming valid but was unaware that my PPO was going to interpret it as a violation because it wasn't within 3 days of receiving it through the post even though I hadn't opened it. I really couldn't be bothered arguing the legalities of her nonsense. It goes on the PNC and can be revealed on an enhanced DBS check if relevant, but I figured that being on the SOR was always going to come up in an enhanced DBS check so it was pointless making a point.
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It says in the news that Kyle Walker was dealt with by an out of court disposal, but what does that actually mean?
"Cheshire police explains on its website, that out of court disposals are “used by the police to deal with low-level crime and anti-social behaviour instead of taking an offender to court. They are a way to resolve an investigation where the offender is known and has admitted to the offence.”
So he has admitted the offence, meaning it was not an NFA, so has he been cautioned? With a non sexual crime, a caution means you can carry on with your life, as if nothing happened, but a caution for an SO means you are treated as a monster, for the next two years.
There are two types of OOCD, one is a 'community remedy' and the other is a conditional caution, so which one was used here?
Is he on the SOR or the DBS list and does he have to inform the police everytime he goes abroad? Will he still be able to have unsupervised access to the youth team? It's only a few days since Wayne Couzens was convicted of the same offence and at the time, we were told that these types of offences are a warning sign. If police dont treat them seriously, then the person will go on to commit more serious offences. But he is still employed by Man City and still playing for England?
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