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+x+xhttps://www.gov.uk/government/publications/independent-review-of-police-led-sex-offender-managementFollowing on from my previous post, about the 'independent' review into policing SO, by a former Chief Constable. I have now read the whole report. Although the opening paragraphs give the impression that it is the usual SO hating nonsense, this is not a report that the govt wanted to hear. Priti Patel originally asked for it and I think she was hoping it would recommend more punitive restrictions on SO, such as mandatory tagging and polygraph testing of all SO. But it didn't do that. This report is truly ground breaking and forward thinking, in its suggestions for reform of the SOR. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/derbyshire-government-b2328265.htmlOver the next few days, I will go through some of it in more detail, particularly the author's comments about the culture of MOSOVO units. But in the meantime, I would advise everybody on the SOR to read this report. It is only an executive summary, not the whole thing. The full report has been held back. Nevertheless, if the govt were to implement 50% of the recommended changes to the SOR, it would be life changing for many of us. Now, I know that many people on this forum, will throw up their hands in despair and say that the govt will never change anything, because the haters at the Daily Mail and the Sun will not allow change and the politicians will always listen to them first. I don't believe that. Reform won't happen, because politicians suddenly begin to care about the welfare of SO, but it could happen, if they recognise that the current system is going to be overwhelmed, unless changes are made. Hi As you started this post I was wondering if you have found / read any updates on the "recommendations"? I was thinking of trying to contact the author but thought ask you first. Again thanks for finding this. I do keep my eyes open, but nothing has been published. Mick Creedon was at a conference in London a few weeks ago, talking about his report, but this hasn't appeared on youtube, so I don't know what he said. The thing is that the current Home Secretary wanted to expand the register to include domestic abusers, and this report specifically tells her not to do that, so she is probably sitting on it. It's conclusions are not what she wants to hear, just before an election. After the election, I expect something will happen. There may be new guidelines issued to the police for example, in the meantime, but so far I've seen nothing.
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I asked about this on my last visit and they'd heard nothing about it and seemed horrified at the idea of orders being discharged/amended *sigh*.
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+xI asked about this on my last visit and they'd heard nothing about it and seemed horrified at the idea of orders being discharged/amended *sigh*. The people on the frontline will be the last to hear about any changes. It's still with the higher ups.
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Hi
Many thanks.
I'm having to do my Annual earlier as my daughter has moved home so need to remove her address from the "7 days" bit.
Anyway I am going to ask my OM if they have heard anything. As the "authorities" still haven't canceled out my "relevant date" point (for start of 15 yr count down), the Judge who discharged my SOPO saying he would of discharged my SOR requirement if I had applied, I am hoping all in all this will add creditability to my request.
Anyway thanks take care
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+x+xI asked about this on my last visit and they'd heard nothing about it and seemed horrified at the idea of orders being discharged/amended *sigh*. The people on the frontline will be the last to hear about any changes. It's still with the higher ups. Fair enough. But that still shows the opinion/thought processes of the front line, they can't handle hearing anything that doesn't comply with their current thinking. Even when, in this case, the line has come from a very experienced senior copper after some considerable thought. If he isn't listened to, who will they listen to?
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+x+x+xI asked about this on my last visit and they'd heard nothing about it and seemed horrified at the idea of orders being discharged/amended *sigh*. The people on the frontline will be the last to hear about any changes. It's still with the higher ups. Fair enough. But that still shows the opinion/thought processes of the front line, they can't handle hearing anything that doesn't comply with their current thinking. Even when, in this case, the line has come from a very experienced senior copper after some considerable thought. If he isn't listened to, who will they listen to? Hi Though I could agree with the sentiment - gained from experience - all we can do is raise the opinion of a "senior and respected" official in the hope that it may start to influence; much like the famous "butterfly effect". In my discussions I often think that the replying official is either: trying to push my stress controls to see how I will respond and then could have a negative comment to write OR they are just ignorant of the "official review" and doesn't want to show that and trying to gain more info so they can raise it back at the office. We have to remember I would suggest that "we" probably research more than they do; be that from their lack of time or inclination. Lets hope it is the former!
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Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope is for tomorrow else what is left if you remove a mans hope.
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+x+x+x+xI asked about this on my last visit and they'd heard nothing about it and seemed horrified at the idea of orders being discharged/amended *sigh*. The people on the frontline will be the last to hear about any changes. It's still with the higher ups. Fair enough. But that still shows the opinion/thought processes of the front line, they can't handle hearing anything that doesn't comply with their current thinking. Even when, in this case, the line has come from a very experienced senior copper after some considerable thought. If he isn't listened to, who will they listen to? Hi Though I could agree with the sentiment - gained from experience - all we can do is raise the opinion of a "senior and respected" official in the hope that it may start to influence; much like the famous "butterfly effect". In my discussions I often think that the replying official is either: trying to push my stress controls to see how I will respond and then could have a negative comment to write OR they are just ignorant of the "official review" and doesn't want to show that and trying to gain more info so they can raise it back at the office. We have to remember I would suggest that "we" probably research more than they do; be that from their lack of time or inclination. Lets hope it is the former! I'm sure we do. But this is because it affects all parts of our every day (and future) of our short finite life. To them it may just be a job. But I will not live my life by these insane labels and rules, in my view dangerous rules re: disclosure, for one second more than I absolutely have to. And I don't say dangerous in a glib manner either, look at the white hot anger around 'top names' who haven't/haven't yet been found guilty of anything. Especially when you've got a top senior police officer saying things cannot go on like this and our raising of such is effectively dismissed.
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+x+x+x+x+xI asked about this on my last visit and they'd heard nothing about it and seemed horrified at the idea of orders being discharged/amended *sigh*. The people on the frontline will be the last to hear about any changes. It's still with the higher ups. Fair enough. But that still shows the opinion/thought processes of the front line, they can't handle hearing anything that doesn't comply with their current thinking. Even when, in this case, the line has come from a very experienced senior copper after some considerable thought. If he isn't listened to, who will they listen to? Hi Though I could agree with the sentiment - gained from experience - all we can do is raise the opinion of a "senior and respected" official in the hope that it may start to influence; much like the famous "butterfly effect". In my discussions I often think that the replying official is either: trying to push my stress controls to see how I will respond and then could have a negative comment to write OR they are just ignorant of the "official review" and doesn't want to show that and trying to gain more info so they can raise it back at the office. We have to remember I would suggest that "we" probably research more than they do; be that from their lack of time or inclination. Lets hope it is the former! I'm sure we do. But this is because it affects all parts of our every day (and future) of our short finite life. To them it may just be a job. But I will not live my life by these insane labels and rules, in my view dangerous rules re: disclosure, for one second more than I absolutely have to. And I don't say dangerous in a glib manner either, look at the white hot anger around 'top names' who haven't/haven't yet been found guilty of anything. Especially when you've got a top senior police officer saying things cannot go on like this and our raising of such is effectively dismissed. Hi Your points I have raised with all "supervisors" since my sentencing when questioned about employment and relationships. None could offer a solution but maintained the official stance; some even said they would contact the "prospective" employer. In my SOPO discharge application I even raised the point, especially over relationships. Though my words did not say a "declaration" would be avoided, I stressed the fact that "caution" was an initial and natural "defence strategy". Again the Judge accepted that with understanding. I've now raised the report with my OM asking questions of their knowledge on it; as in theory it would of discharged my SOR requirement 2 years ago. Keep safe, compassionate and understanding of others.
Society suggests I must let go of all my expectations but I disagree, as whilst I have a voice, I have hope.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI asked about this on my last visit and they'd heard nothing about it and seemed horrified at the idea of orders being discharged/amended *sigh*. The people on the frontline will be the last to hear about any changes. It's still with the higher ups. Fair enough. But that still shows the opinion/thought processes of the front line, they can't handle hearing anything that doesn't comply with their current thinking. Even when, in this case, the line has come from a very experienced senior copper after some considerable thought. If he isn't listened to, who will they listen to? Hi Though I could agree with the sentiment - gained from experience - all we can do is raise the opinion of a "senior and respected" official in the hope that it may start to influence; much like the famous "butterfly effect". In my discussions I often think that the replying official is either: trying to push my stress controls to see how I will respond and then could have a negative comment to write OR they are just ignorant of the "official review" and doesn't want to show that and trying to gain more info so they can raise it back at the office. We have to remember I would suggest that "we" probably research more than they do; be that from their lack of time or inclination. Lets hope it is the former! I'm sure we do. But this is because it affects all parts of our every day (and future) of our short finite life. To them it may just be a job. But I will not live my life by these insane labels and rules, in my view dangerous rules re: disclosure, for one second more than I absolutely have to. And I don't say dangerous in a glib manner either, look at the white hot anger around 'top names' who haven't/haven't yet been found guilty of anything. Especially when you've got a top senior police officer saying things cannot go on like this and our raising of such is effectively dismissed. Hi Your points I have raised with all "supervisors" since my sentencing when questioned about employment and relationships. None could offer a solution but maintained the official stance; some even said they would contact the "prospective" employer. In my SOPO discharge application I even raised the point, especially over relationships. Though my words did not say a "declaration" would be avoided, I stressed the fact that "caution" was an initial and natural "defence strategy". Again the Judge accepted that with understanding. I've now raised the report with my OM asking questions of their knowledge on it; as in theory it would of discharged my SOR requirement 2 years ago. Keep safe, compassionate and understanding of others. It's probably not within the OM's pay grade, but perhaps writing to the chief constable, or to the NPCC, may uncover something that is in the pipeline?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI asked about this on my last visit and they'd heard nothing about it and seemed horrified at the idea of orders being discharged/amended *sigh*. The people on the frontline will be the last to hear about any changes. It's still with the higher ups. Fair enough. But that still shows the opinion/thought processes of the front line, they can't handle hearing anything that doesn't comply with their current thinking. Even when, in this case, the line has come from a very experienced senior copper after some considerable thought. If he isn't listened to, who will they listen to? Hi Though I could agree with the sentiment - gained from experience - all we can do is raise the opinion of a "senior and respected" official in the hope that it may start to influence; much like the famous "butterfly effect". In my discussions I often think that the replying official is either: trying to push my stress controls to see how I will respond and then could have a negative comment to write OR they are just ignorant of the "official review" and doesn't want to show that and trying to gain more info so they can raise it back at the office. We have to remember I would suggest that "we" probably research more than they do; be that from their lack of time or inclination. Lets hope it is the former! I'm sure we do. But this is because it affects all parts of our every day (and future) of our short finite life. To them it may just be a job. But I will not live my life by these insane labels and rules, in my view dangerous rules re: disclosure, for one second more than I absolutely have to. And I don't say dangerous in a glib manner either, look at the white hot anger around 'top names' who haven't/haven't yet been found guilty of anything. Especially when you've got a top senior police officer saying things cannot go on like this and our raising of such is effectively dismissed. Hi Your points I have raised with all "supervisors" since my sentencing when questioned about employment and relationships. None could offer a solution but maintained the official stance; some even said they would contact the "prospective" employer. In my SOPO discharge application I even raised the point, especially over relationships. Though my words did not say a "declaration" would be avoided, I stressed the fact that "caution" was an initial and natural "defence strategy". Again the Judge accepted that with understanding. I've now raised the report with my OM asking questions of their knowledge on it; as in theory it would of discharged my SOR requirement 2 years ago. Keep safe, compassionate and understanding of others. It's probably not within the OM's pay grade, but perhaps writing to the chief constable, or to the NPCC, may uncover something that is in the pipeline? Hi I understand your point but after all my discussions and points I've raised about my SOPO and SOR with current and previous OM I have learnt they will pass the pionts to all parties north of them. Here's hoping the same happens with this one and I will keep you guys informed.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI asked about this on my last visit and they'd heard nothing about it and seemed horrified at the idea of orders being discharged/amended *sigh*. The people on the frontline will be the last to hear about any changes. It's still with the higher ups. Fair enough. But that still shows the opinion/thought processes of the front line, they can't handle hearing anything that doesn't comply with their current thinking. Even when, in this case, the line has come from a very experienced senior copper after some considerable thought. If he isn't listened to, who will they listen to? Hi Though I could agree with the sentiment - gained from experience - all we can do is raise the opinion of a "senior and respected" official in the hope that it may start to influence; much like the famous "butterfly effect". In my discussions I often think that the replying official is either: trying to push my stress controls to see how I will respond and then could have a negative comment to write OR they are just ignorant of the "official review" and doesn't want to show that and trying to gain more info so they can raise it back at the office. We have to remember I would suggest that "we" probably research more than they do; be that from their lack of time or inclination. Lets hope it is the former! I'm sure we do. But this is because it affects all parts of our every day (and future) of our short finite life. To them it may just be a job. But I will not live my life by these insane labels and rules, in my view dangerous rules re: disclosure, for one second more than I absolutely have to. And I don't say dangerous in a glib manner either, look at the white hot anger around 'top names' who haven't/haven't yet been found guilty of anything. Especially when you've got a top senior police officer saying things cannot go on like this and our raising of such is effectively dismissed. Hi Your points I have raised with all "supervisors" since my sentencing when questioned about employment and relationships. None could offer a solution but maintained the official stance; some even said they would contact the "prospective" employer. In my SOPO discharge application I even raised the point, especially over relationships. Though my words did not say a "declaration" would be avoided, I stressed the fact that "caution" was an initial and natural "defence strategy". Again the Judge accepted that with understanding. I've now raised the report with my OM asking questions of their knowledge on it; as in theory it would of discharged my SOR requirement 2 years ago. Keep safe, compassionate and understanding of others. It's probably not within the OM's pay grade, but perhaps writing to the chief constable, or to the NPCC, may uncover something that is in the pipeline? At this stage, as it is still with the Home Office, I'm sure that no information would be available from anywhere else. Individual forces won't offer an opinion on what the Chief Police Officer or the Policing and Crime Commissioner might think. The NPCC might be prepared to say what their considered position is as an organisation, or they might not.
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Hi
I had a reply from my OM today regarding the report, due to the way he phrased his words I do think he did ask higher authorities but basically he stated "they have not been involved as yet."
He is helpful, for instance saved me a trip to amend something on my SOR doc, so have to wait and see.
Society suggests I must let go of all my expectations but I disagree, as whilst I have a voice, I have hope.
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