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Genocide ( art . 2 of UN convention ratified 1952 ) ' Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group ' ' Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part ' Suicides of males of 2023 - 2024 = 3042 * Suicides of people under police management =& nbsp ; ( 674 ) There were 360 self - inflicted deaths between April 2022 and March 2023 , and there were 314 deaths unexplained .** Its commonly supposed by the general public that deaths of offenders are guilt - related . Undoubtedly this is a factor . However , looking at some academic ( and government reporting ) suggests many offenders kill themselves simply because of frustration at their inability to rejoin society and carry on . Example : https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666353820300059This has been my personal experience ( being driven to kill myself at the probation office , after having my training and education prevented , and my 18m relationship undermined to destruction ), which was labelled as ' revenge ' against the system . I was convicted of possession of indecent images , certainly a shameful offence , but that criminal record is in my experience a complete barrier to having anything like a normal life permanently , even after 6 years of rehabilitation and counselling ( which I have paid for myself ). I was actually rebuilding my life , with a job and a long term relationship before my conviction ( the length of time the police took to investigate [ two unencrypted devices ] at over a year is another factor I feel is depressing people to the point of suicide because they can ' t move on during that time ). I feel that agents with the criminal justice system ( CJS ) are far too inclined to blame the offenders for these issues , rather than make a meaningul effort to help them rehabilitate . Certainly access to the NHS is a joke - they do not have the resources for general mental health let alone the specialist knowledge of what makes people offend , and cannot change the approach of the CJS , so the problems just escalate . I found some NHS professionals very judgemental indeed ( although some frontline staff were fantastic ). Hence my title ' Genocide ' because every agent I have interacted with has ignored the issues . Also the police have NO POLICY FOR MENTALLY DISABLED people only mental health issues ( I am austistic and find the SHPO challenging ). When I have raised simple points for improvement , they have pretty much laughed in my face ( includes ironically probation , but police as well ). Everyone just wants to follow procedure . I think following orders blindly makes you no better than a concentration camp guard during WW2 ( many criminals and mentally disabled people were murdered ). I ' m currently facing a court case and further prosecution for failing to declare a pc I was sent and never used for review . I am guilty of this . But its mainly down to the autism which I have finally received medication for after waiting two years . The police know this , but want to follow ' the process '. Pointless ? I think so . * https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england/statistical-report-near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england-for-the-15-months-to-august-2023#findings** https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023*** https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprobation/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2022/07/Suicide-and-self-harm-staff-experiences-v1.0.pdf
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+xGenocide ( art . 2 of UN convention ratified 1952 ) ' Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group ' ' Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part ' Suicides of males of 2023 - 2024 = 3042 * Suicides of people under police management =& nbsp ; ( 674 ) There were 360 self - inflicted deaths between April 2022 and March 2023 , and there were 314 deaths unexplained .** Its commonly supposed by the general public that deaths of offenders are guilt - related . Undoubtedly this is a factor . However , looking at some academic ( and government reporting ) suggests many offenders kill themselves simply because of frustration at their inability to rejoin society and carry on . Example : https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666353820300059This has been my personal experience ( being driven to kill myself at the probation office , after having my training and education prevented , and my 18m relationship undermined to destruction ), which was labelled as ' revenge ' against the system . I was convicted of possession of indecent images , certainly a shameful offence , but that criminal record is in my experience a complete barrier to having anything like a normal life permanently , even after 6 years of rehabilitation and counselling ( which I have paid for myself ). I was actually rebuilding my life , with a job and a long term relationship before my conviction ( the length of time the police took to investigate [ two unencrypted devices ] at over a year is another factor I feel is depressing people to the point of suicide because they can ' t move on during that time ). I feel that agents with the criminal justice system ( CJS ) are far too inclined to blame the offenders for these issues , rather than make a meaningul effort to help them rehabilitate . Certainly access to the NHS is a joke - they do not have the resources for general mental health let alone the specialist knowledge of what makes people offend , and cannot change the approach of the CJS , so the problems just escalate . I found some NHS professionals very judgemental indeed ( although some frontline staff were fantastic ). Hence my title ' Genocide ' because every agent I have interacted with has ignored the issues . Also the police have NO POLICY FOR MENTALLY DISABLED people only mental health issues ( I am austistic and find the SHPO challenging ). When I have raised simple points for improvement , they have pretty much laughed in my face ( includes ironically probation , but police as well ). Everyone just wants to follow procedure . I think following orders blindly makes you no better than a concentration camp guard during WW2 ( many criminals and mentally disabled people were murdered ). I ' m currently facing a court case and further prosecution for failing to declare a pc I was sent and never used for review . I am guilty of this . But its mainly down to the autism which I have finally received medication for after waiting two years . The police know this , but want to follow ' the process '. Pointless ? I think so . * https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england/statistical-report-near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england-for-the-15-months-to-august-2023#findings** https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023*** https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprobation/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2022/07/Suicide-and-self-harm-staff-experiences-v1.0.pdf Before the part you quoted , Article 2 says: " genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". So , as discriminatory as these actions are , they do not meet the definition of genocide . I could mention some times in the past when genocide has been an issue , but I ' m not going to compare this to those events . There is no protection in law in any part of the UK against discrimination on the basis of having a criminal record of any type for any offence or offences . Sadly . Of course , the system should be more sympathetic and supportive towards your situation . After all , they are required to make reasonable adjustments to accommodate any person who has a disability . A disability is defined by the Equality Act 2010 as follows : " (1)A person (P) has a disability if—(a)P has a physical or mental impairment, and(b)the impairment has a substantial and long-term adverse effect on P's ability to carry out normal day-to-day activities", which probably means you are included . Maybe that would be a better line of approach .
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+xGenocide ( art . 2 of UN convention ratified 1952 ) ' Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group ' ' Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part ' Suicides of males of 2023 - 2024 = 3042 * Suicides of people under police management =& nbsp ; ( 674 ) There were 360 self - inflicted deaths between April 2022 and March 2023 , and there were 314 deaths unexplained .** Its commonly supposed by the general public that deaths of offenders are guilt - related . Undoubtedly this is a factor . However , looking at some academic ( and government reporting ) suggests many offenders kill themselves simply because of frustration at their inability to rejoin society and carry on . Example : https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666353820300059This has been my personal experience ( being driven to kill myself at the probation office , after having my training and education prevented , and my 18m relationship undermined to destruction ), which was labelled as ' revenge ' against the system . I was convicted of possession of indecent images , certainly a shameful offence , but that criminal record is in my experience a complete barrier to having anything like a normal life permanently , even after 6 years of rehabilitation and counselling ( which I have paid for myself ). I was actually rebuilding my life , with a job and a long term relationship before my conviction ( the length of time the police took to investigate [ two unencrypted devices ] at over a year is another factor I feel is depressing people to the point of suicide because they can ' t move on during that time ). I feel that agents with the criminal justice system ( CJS ) are far too inclined to blame the offenders for these issues , rather than make a meaningul effort to help them rehabilitate . Certainly access to the NHS is a joke - they do not have the resources for general mental health let alone the specialist knowledge of what makes people offend , and cannot change the approach of the CJS , so the problems just escalate . I found some NHS professionals very judgemental indeed ( although some frontline staff were fantastic ). Hence my title ' Genocide ' because every agent I have interacted with has ignored the issues . Also the police have NO POLICY FOR MENTALLY DISABLED people only mental health issues ( I am austistic and find the SHPO challenging ). When I have raised simple points for improvement , they have pretty much laughed in my face ( includes ironically probation , but police as well ). Everyone just wants to follow procedure . I think following orders blindly makes you no better than a concentration camp guard during WW2 ( many criminals and mentally disabled people were murdered ). I ' m currently facing a court case and further prosecution for failing to declare a pc I was sent and never used for review . I am guilty of this . But its mainly down to the autism which I have finally received medication for after waiting two years . The police know this , but want to follow ' the process '. Pointless ? I think so . * https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england/statistical-report-near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england-for-the-15-months-to-august-2023#findings** https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023*** https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprobation/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2022/07/Suicide-and-self-harm-staff-experiences-v1.0.pdf Hi AB2014 ' s point could sound blunt but do not take it as that . I ' m sure its point is to just to " ease " your mind which ; due to other conditions , does seem to urge you to seek possible ways of gaining support for your scenario . Which is justifiable . I would never insult you by claiming my words can assist you with your " medical conditions " but like others , I would hope they may be able to support you on some aspects that may slightly improve your life . By that I mean your topic would suggest you have taken a lot of time to research what you feel is a justifiable opinion . However , could I suggest you use that energy to focus on the aspects of your life " YOU " can control and so affect ? I know that is always easy to say and so hard to execute but being an ex - so myself , I do believe it is the only positive use of my inner self which will allow me to face the challenges an EX - SO faces and has to overcome . You mention you have paid for your own courses which is a positive step but , I am sorry to say in the view of many it means little due to their bias against ex - so ' s . In fact many believe there is no such thing as an ex - so . You / we cannot change that opinion simply , but you can demonstrate the possibility by the manner you develop and control your emotions going forward . As you mention " help " is not always easy to gain but the authorities ; in my opinion , do not consider that as mitigation . So as I mentioned , use the energy you used to research this topic in focusing on how you can help / learn / find some solutions to improving your own quality of life to whatever level you can . You will always have others hear to listen .
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+xGenocide ( art . 2 of UN convention ratified 1952 ) ' Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group ' ' Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part ' Suicides of males of 2023 - 2024 = 3042 * Suicides of people under police management =& nbsp ; ( 674 ) There were 360 self - inflicted deaths between April 2022 and March 2023 , and there were 314 deaths unexplained .** Its commonly supposed by the general public that deaths of offenders are guilt - related . Undoubtedly this is a factor . However , looking at some academic ( and government reporting ) suggests many offenders kill themselves simply because of frustration at their inability to rejoin society and carry on . Example : https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666353820300059This has been my personal experience ( being driven to kill myself at the probation office , after having my training and education prevented , and my 18m relationship undermined to destruction ), which was labelled as ' revenge ' against the system . I was convicted of possession of indecent images , certainly a shameful offence , but that criminal record is in my experience a complete barrier to having anything like a normal life permanently , even after 6 years of rehabilitation and counselling ( which I have paid for myself ). I was actually rebuilding my life , with a job and a long term relationship before my conviction ( the length of time the police took to investigate [ two unencrypted devices ] at over a year is another factor I feel is depressing people to the point of suicide because they can ' t move on during that time ). I feel that agents with the criminal justice system ( CJS ) are far too inclined to blame the offenders for these issues , rather than make a meaningul effort to help them rehabilitate . Certainly access to the NHS is a joke - they do not have the resources for general mental health let alone the specialist knowledge of what makes people offend , and cannot change the approach of the CJS , so the problems just escalate . I found some NHS professionals very judgemental indeed ( although some frontline staff were fantastic ). Hence my title ' Genocide ' because every agent I have interacted with has ignored the issues . Also the police have NO POLICY FOR MENTALLY DISABLED people only mental health issues ( I am austistic and find the SHPO challenging ). When I have raised simple points for improvement , they have pretty much laughed in my face ( includes ironically probation , but police as well ). Everyone just wants to follow procedure . I think following orders blindly makes you no better than a concentration camp guard during WW2 ( many criminals and mentally disabled people were murdered ). I ' m currently facing a court case and further prosecution for failing to declare a pc I was sent and never used for review . I am guilty of this . But its mainly down to the autism which I have finally received medication for after waiting two years . The police know this , but want to follow ' the process '. Pointless ? I think so . * https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england/statistical-report-near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england-for-the-15-months-to-august-2023#findings** https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023*** https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprobation/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2022/07/Suicide-and-self-harm-staff-experiences-v1.0.pdf You would be better off looking at the Equality Act 2010 . They have to take into account disabilities , which includes autism and and make allowances for that . If they don ' t they can be fined for discrimination . Applies to police , probation , prisons etc . https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/equality/equality-act-2010/your-rights-under-equality-act-2010/disability-discrimination
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+x+xGenocide ( art . 2 of UN convention ratified 1952 ) ' Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group ' ' Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part ' Suicides of males of 2023 - 2024 = 3042 * Suicides of people under police management =& nbsp ; ( 674 ) There were 360 self - inflicted deaths between April 2022 and March 2023 , and there were 314 deaths unexplained .** Its commonly supposed by the general public that deaths of offenders are guilt - related . Undoubtedly this is a factor . However , looking at some academic ( and government reporting ) suggests many offenders kill themselves simply because of frustration at their inability to rejoin society and carry on . Example : https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666353820300059This has been my personal experience ( being driven to kill myself at the probation office , after having my training and education prevented , and my 18m relationship undermined to destruction ), which was labelled as ' revenge ' against the system . I was convicted of possession of indecent images , certainly a shameful offence , but that criminal record is in my experience a complete barrier to having anything like a normal life permanently , even after 6 years of rehabilitation and counselling ( which I have paid for myself ). I was actually rebuilding my life , with a job and a long term relationship before my conviction ( the length of time the police took to investigate [ two unencrypted devices ] at over a year is another factor I feel is depressing people to the point of suicide because they can ' t move on during that time ). I feel that agents with the criminal justice system ( CJS ) are far too inclined to blame the offenders for these issues , rather than make a meaningul effort to help them rehabilitate . Certainly access to the NHS is a joke - they do not have the resources for general mental health let alone the specialist knowledge of what makes people offend , and cannot change the approach of the CJS , so the problems just escalate . I found some NHS professionals very judgemental indeed ( although some frontline staff were fantastic ). Hence my title ' Genocide ' because every agent I have interacted with has ignored the issues . Also the police have NO POLICY FOR MENTALLY DISABLED people only mental health issues ( I am austistic and find the SHPO challenging ). When I have raised simple points for improvement , they have pretty much laughed in my face ( includes ironically probation , but police as well ). Everyone just wants to follow procedure . I think following orders blindly makes you no better than a concentration camp guard during WW2 ( many criminals and mentally disabled people were murdered ). I ' m currently facing a court case and further prosecution for failing to declare a pc I was sent and never used for review . I am guilty of this . But its mainly down to the autism which I have finally received medication for after waiting two years . The police know this , but want to follow ' the process '. Pointless ? I think so . * https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england/statistical-report-near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england-for-the-15-months-to-august-2023#findings** https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023*** https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprobation/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2022/07/Suicide-and-self-harm-staff-experiences-v1.0.pdf You would be better off looking at the Equality Act 2010 . They have to take into account disabilities , which includes autism and and make allowances for that . If they don ' t they can be fined for discrimination . Applies to police , probation , prisons etc . https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/equality/equality-act-2010/your-rights-under-equality-act-2010/disability-discrimination Good point , I would or rather its a pity it could not be linked / used to protect such people as us from Society , the media and Government .
Society suggests I must let go of all my expectations but I disagree, as whilst I have a voice, I have hope.
Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope is for tomorrow else what is left if you remove a mans hope.
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+x+xGenocide ( art . 2 of UN convention ratified 1952 ) ' Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group ' ' Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part ' Suicides of males of 2023 - 2024 = 3042 * Suicides of people under police management =& nbsp ; ( 674 ) There were 360 self - inflicted deaths between April 2022 and March 2023 , and there were 314 deaths unexplained .** Its commonly supposed by the general public that deaths of offenders are guilt - related . Undoubtedly this is a factor . However , looking at some academic ( and government reporting ) suggests many offenders kill themselves simply because of frustration at their inability to rejoin society and carry on . Example : https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666353820300059This has been my personal experience ( being driven to kill myself at the probation office , after having my training and education prevented , and my 18m relationship undermined to destruction ), which was labelled as ' revenge ' against the system . I was convicted of possession of indecent images , certainly a shameful offence , but that criminal record is in my experience a complete barrier to having anything like a normal life permanently , even after 6 years of rehabilitation and counselling ( which I have paid for myself ). I was actually rebuilding my life , with a job and a long term relationship before my conviction ( the length of time the police took to investigate [ two unencrypted devices ] at over a year is another factor I feel is depressing people to the point of suicide because they can ' t move on during that time ). I feel that agents with the criminal justice system ( CJS ) are far too inclined to blame the offenders for these issues , rather than make a meaningul effort to help them rehabilitate . Certainly access to the NHS is a joke - they do not have the resources for general mental health let alone the specialist knowledge of what makes people offend , and cannot change the approach of the CJS , so the problems just escalate . I found some NHS professionals very judgemental indeed ( although some frontline staff were fantastic ). Hence my title ' Genocide ' because every agent I have interacted with has ignored the issues . Also the police have NO POLICY FOR MENTALLY DISABLED people only mental health issues ( I am austistic and find the SHPO challenging ). When I have raised simple points for improvement , they have pretty much laughed in my face ( includes ironically probation , but police as well ). Everyone just wants to follow procedure . I think following orders blindly makes you no better than a concentration camp guard during WW2 ( many criminals and mentally disabled people were murdered ). I ' m currently facing a court case and further prosecution for failing to declare a pc I was sent and never used for review . I am guilty of this . But its mainly down to the autism which I have finally received medication for after waiting two years . The police know this , but want to follow ' the process '. Pointless ? I think so . * https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england/statistical-report-near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england-for-the-15-months-to-august-2023#findings** https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023*** https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprobation/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2022/07/Suicide-and-self-harm-staff-experiences-v1.0.pdf Before the part you quoted , Article 2 says: " genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". So , as discriminatory as these actions are , they do not meet the definition of genocide . I could mention some times in the past when genocide has been an issue , but I ' m not going to compare this to those events . There is no protection in law in any part of the UK against discrimination on the basis of having a criminal record of any type for any offence or offences . Sadly . Of course , the system should be more sympathetic and supportive towards your situation . After all , they are required to make reasonable adjustments to accommodate any person who has a disability . A disability is defined by the Equality Act 2010 as follows : " (1)A person (P) has a disability if—(a)P has a physical or mental impairment, and(b)the impairment has a substantial and long-term adverse effect on P's ability to carry out normal day-to-day activities", which probably means you are included . Maybe that would be a better line of approach . Yes true , although there are definitions of genocide that are more ' flexibly ' worded than the United Nations definition . I take the points raised but fundamentally our approach to all offending but especially sex / violent offending needs to change to a more preventative model - by which I don ' t mean the current ' virtual home arrest ' approach , but courses and professional assessment by independent practitioners who are not motivated by self protection or blanket overly harsh regulation [ Offered by Lucy Faithful foundation but costing over £ 4k I believe ]. Another way could be the government putting its money where its mouth is on rehabilitation by offering a form of indemnity to companies who employ offenders of all types - perhaps a bounty of £ 10k and / or a form of insurance to recompense for any proven issues . This would be far , far cheaper than constantly subjecting risky offenders to interrogation and ' live ' risk assessment although these could run alongside if needed for that first year . I don ' t get the impression any organization including probation is remotely motivated to rehabilitee sex offenders ( point noted about some believing this can never take place but would dispute it for offences like indecent images ). For tax payer cost and efficiency alone , we need a much more positive system . I would estimate Kent Police have wasted around £ 500k over 6 years on my case . Preventing Human beings from working and social contact can drive the issues which sent them on a downwards spiral in the first place . I have been incredibly lucky , had support , and had some success on all fronts , but I shouldn ' t NEED luck to rehabilitate , thats supposed to be part of the Criminal Justice system , and thats what is missing . Of course all the money being spent on offender management and a LOT of benefits , is not being spent teaching our kids about the issue , or investigating harm against them .
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+x+x+xGenocide ( art . 2 of UN convention ratified 1952 ) ' Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group ' ' Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part ' Suicides of males of 2023 - 2024 = 3042 * Suicides of people under police management =& nbsp ; ( 674 ) There were 360 self - inflicted deaths between April 2022 and March 2023 , and there were 314 deaths unexplained .** Its commonly supposed by the general public that deaths of offenders are guilt - related . Undoubtedly this is a factor . However , looking at some academic ( and government reporting ) suggests many offenders kill themselves simply because of frustration at their inability to rejoin society and carry on . Example : https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666353820300059This has been my personal experience ( being driven to kill myself at the probation office , after having my training and education prevented , and my 18m relationship undermined to destruction ), which was labelled as ' revenge ' against the system . I was convicted of possession of indecent images , certainly a shameful offence , but that criminal record is in my experience a complete barrier to having anything like a normal life permanently , even after 6 years of rehabilitation and counselling ( which I have paid for myself ). I was actually rebuilding my life , with a job and a long term relationship before my conviction ( the length of time the police took to investigate [ two unencrypted devices ] at over a year is another factor I feel is depressing people to the point of suicide because they can ' t move on during that time ). I feel that agents with the criminal justice system ( CJS ) are far too inclined to blame the offenders for these issues , rather than make a meaningul effort to help them rehabilitate . Certainly access to the NHS is a joke - they do not have the resources for general mental health let alone the specialist knowledge of what makes people offend , and cannot change the approach of the CJS , so the problems just escalate . I found some NHS professionals very judgemental indeed ( although some frontline staff were fantastic ). Hence my title ' Genocide ' because every agent I have interacted with has ignored the issues . Also the police have NO POLICY FOR MENTALLY DISABLED people only mental health issues ( I am austistic and find the SHPO challenging ). When I have raised simple points for improvement , they have pretty much laughed in my face ( includes ironically probation , but police as well ). Everyone just wants to follow procedure . I think following orders blindly makes you no better than a concentration camp guard during WW2 ( many criminals and mentally disabled people were murdered ). I ' m currently facing a court case and further prosecution for failing to declare a pc I was sent and never used for review . I am guilty of this . But its mainly down to the autism which I have finally received medication for after waiting two years . The police know this , but want to follow ' the process '. Pointless ? I think so . * https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england/statistical-report-near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england-for-the-15-months-to-august-2023#findings** https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023*** https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprobation/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2022/07/Suicide-and-self-harm-staff-experiences-v1.0.pdf Before the part you quoted , Article 2 says: " genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". So , as discriminatory as these actions are , they do not meet the definition of genocide . I could mention some times in the past when genocide has been an issue , but I ' m not going to compare this to those events . There is no protection in law in any part of the UK against discrimination on the basis of having a criminal record of any type for any offence or offences . Sadly . Of course , the system should be more sympathetic and supportive towards your situation . After all , they are required to make reasonable adjustments to accommodate any person who has a disability . A disability is defined by the Equality Act 2010 as follows : " (1)A person (P) has a disability if—(a)P has a physical or mental impairment, and(b)the impairment has a substantial and long-term adverse effect on P's ability to carry out normal day-to-day activities", which probably means you are included . Maybe that would be a better line of approach . Yes true , although there are definitions of genocide that are more ' flexibly ' worded than the United Nations definition . I take the points raised but fundamentally our approach to all offending but especially sex / violent offending needs to change to a more preventative model - by which I don ' t mean the current ' virtual home arrest ' approach , but courses and professional assessment by independent practitioners who are not motivated by self protection or blanket overly harsh regulation [ Offered by Lucy Faithful foundation but costing over £ 4k I believe ]. Another way could be the government putting its money where its mouth is on rehabilitation by offering a form of indemnity to companies who employ offenders of all types - perhaps a bounty of £ 10k and / or a form of insurance to recompense for any proven issues . This would be far , far cheaper than constantly subjecting risky offenders to interrogation and ' live ' risk assessment although these could run alongside if needed for that first year . I don ' t get the impression any organization including probation is remotely motivated to rehabilitee sex offenders ( point noted about some believing this can never take place but would dispute it for offences like indecent images ). For tax payer cost and efficiency alone , we need a much more positive system . I would estimate Kent Police have wasted around £ 500k over 6 years on my case . Preventing Human beings from working and social contact can drive the issues which sent them on a downwards spiral in the first place . I have been incredibly lucky , had support , and had some success on all fronts , but I shouldn ' t NEED luck to rehabilitate , thats supposed to be part of the Criminal Justice system , and thats what is missing . Of course all the money being spent on offender management and a LOT of benefits , is not being spent teaching our kids about the issue , or investigating harm against them . The Creedon report last year made similar observations . A small number of reforms were then proposed in the Victims and Sentencing bill , which never became law thanks to the election . Hopefully James Timpson will read the Creedon report and take note of it , although he is no friend of SO . But this is going to be an important issue for a govt desperate to save money . The police are already being overwhelmed by the numbers of offenders they have to monitor and tomorrow there are going to be another 2 , 000 ex - cons out on the streets , which will overwhelm probation too . Freeing up police resources to tackle shoplifting for example , will require taking officers from elsewhere and the numbers would suggest that something has to give .
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+x+x+x+xGenocide ( art . 2 of UN convention ratified 1952 ) ' Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group ' ' Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part ' Suicides of males of 2023 - 2024 = 3042 * Suicides of people under police management =& nbsp ; ( 674 ) There were 360 self - inflicted deaths between April 2022 and March 2023 , and there were 314 deaths unexplained .** Its commonly supposed by the general public that deaths of offenders are guilt - related . Undoubtedly this is a factor . However , looking at some academic ( and government reporting ) suggests many offenders kill themselves simply because of frustration at their inability to rejoin society and carry on . Example : https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666353820300059This has been my personal experience ( being driven to kill myself at the probation office , after having my training and education prevented , and my 18m relationship undermined to destruction ), which was labelled as ' revenge ' against the system . I was convicted of possession of indecent images , certainly a shameful offence , but that criminal record is in my experience a complete barrier to having anything like a normal life permanently , even after 6 years of rehabilitation and counselling ( which I have paid for myself ). I was actually rebuilding my life , with a job and a long term relationship before my conviction ( the length of time the police took to investigate [ two unencrypted devices ] at over a year is another factor I feel is depressing people to the point of suicide because they can ' t move on during that time ). I feel that agents with the criminal justice system ( CJS ) are far too inclined to blame the offenders for these issues , rather than make a meaningul effort to help them rehabilitate . Certainly access to the NHS is a joke - they do not have the resources for general mental health let alone the specialist knowledge of what makes people offend , and cannot change the approach of the CJS , so the problems just escalate . I found some NHS professionals very judgemental indeed ( although some frontline staff were fantastic ). Hence my title ' Genocide ' because every agent I have interacted with has ignored the issues . Also the police have NO POLICY FOR MENTALLY DISABLED people only mental health issues ( I am austistic and find the SHPO challenging ). When I have raised simple points for improvement , they have pretty much laughed in my face ( includes ironically probation , but police as well ). Everyone just wants to follow procedure . I think following orders blindly makes you no better than a concentration camp guard during WW2 ( many criminals and mentally disabled people were murdered ). I ' m currently facing a court case and further prosecution for failing to declare a pc I was sent and never used for review . I am guilty of this . But its mainly down to the autism which I have finally received medication for after waiting two years . The police know this , but want to follow ' the process '. Pointless ? I think so . * https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england/statistical-report-near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england-for-the-15-months-to-august-2023#findings** https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023*** https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprobation/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2022/07/Suicide-and-self-harm-staff-experiences-v1.0.pdf Before the part you quoted , Article 2 says: " genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". So , as discriminatory as these actions are , they do not meet the definition of genocide . I could mention some times in the past when genocide has been an issue , but I ' m not going to compare this to those events . There is no protection in law in any part of the UK against discrimination on the basis of having a criminal record of any type for any offence or offences . Sadly . Of course , the system should be more sympathetic and supportive towards your situation . After all , they are required to make reasonable adjustments to accommodate any person who has a disability . A disability is defined by the Equality Act 2010 as follows : " (1)A person (P) has a disability if—(a)P has a physical or mental impairment, and(b)the impairment has a substantial and long-term adverse effect on P's ability to carry out normal day-to-day activities", which probably means you are included . Maybe that would be a better line of approach . Yes true , although there are definitions of genocide that are more ' flexibly ' worded than the United Nations definition . I take the points raised but fundamentally our approach to all offending but especially sex / violent offending needs to change to a more preventative model - by which I don ' t mean the current ' virtual home arrest ' approach , but courses and professional assessment by independent practitioners who are not motivated by self protection or blanket overly harsh regulation [ Offered by Lucy Faithful foundation but costing over £ 4k I believe ]. Another way could be the government putting its money where its mouth is on rehabilitation by offering a form of indemnity to companies who employ offenders of all types - perhaps a bounty of £ 10k and / or a form of insurance to recompense for any proven issues . This would be far , far cheaper than constantly subjecting risky offenders to interrogation and ' live ' risk assessment although these could run alongside if needed for that first year . I don ' t get the impression any organization including probation is remotely motivated to rehabilitee sex offenders ( point noted about some believing this can never take place but would dispute it for offences like indecent images ). For tax payer cost and efficiency alone , we need a much more positive system . I would estimate Kent Police have wasted around £ 500k over 6 years on my case . Preventing Human beings from working and social contact can drive the issues which sent them on a downwards spiral in the first place . I have been incredibly lucky , had support , and had some success on all fronts , but I shouldn ' t NEED luck to rehabilitate , thats supposed to be part of the Criminal Justice system , and thats what is missing . Of course all the money being spent on offender management and a LOT of benefits , is not being spent teaching our kids about the issue , or investigating harm against them . The Creedon report last year made similar observations . A small number of reforms were then proposed in the Victims and Sentencing bill , which never became law thanks to the election . Hopefully James Timpson will read the Creedon report and take note of it , although he is no friend of SO . But this is going to be an important issue for a govt desperate to save money . The police are already being overwhelmed by the numbers of offenders they have to monitor and tomorrow there are going to be another 2 , 000 ex - cons out on the streets , which will overwhelm probation too . Freeing up police resources to tackle shoplifting for example , will require taking officers from elsewhere and the numbers would suggest that something has to give . Hi & nbsp ; Were I fully agree with your comments especially the workload they have , I personally believe that the " public perspective " of offenders in general , never mind ex - SO ' s , is that the authorities are very afraid and so unwilling to undertake any major changes . If you just look at the fact that the process is heavily reliant on the " psychology " profession to gain convictions and explanations as to what is wrong with an offender , when it is used by the " ex - offender " as mitigation or to show they are no longer a " risk "; so for example support their removal from the SOR , it is generally dismissed . As in the case of the recommendation in the creedon report to review the removal a " low risk ex - so " at the 10 year stage by the Police , the Government will agree to it at the exisiting 15 year point but will not reduce it to a 10 year review ! They get the sympathy instead of the accusations by leaving laws / processes as they are or change what looks like supporting / listening !
Society suggests I must let go of all my expectations but I disagree, as whilst I have a voice, I have hope.
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+x+x+xGenocide ( art . 2 of UN convention ratified 1952 ) ' Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group ' ' Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part ' Suicides of males of 2023 - 2024 = 3042 * Suicides of people under police management =& nbsp ; ( 674 ) There were 360 self - inflicted deaths between April 2022 and March 2023 , and there were 314 deaths unexplained .** Its commonly supposed by the general public that deaths of offenders are guilt - related . Undoubtedly this is a factor . However , looking at some academic ( and government reporting ) suggests many offenders kill themselves simply because of frustration at their inability to rejoin society and carry on . Example : https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666353820300059This has been my personal experience ( being driven to kill myself at the probation office , after having my training and education prevented , and my 18m relationship undermined to destruction ), which was labelled as ' revenge ' against the system . I was convicted of possession of indecent images , certainly a shameful offence , but that criminal record is in my experience a complete barrier to having anything like a normal life permanently , even after 6 years of rehabilitation and counselling ( which I have paid for myself ). I was actually rebuilding my life , with a job and a long term relationship before my conviction ( the length of time the police took to investigate [ two unencrypted devices ] at over a year is another factor I feel is depressing people to the point of suicide because they can ' t move on during that time ). I feel that agents with the criminal justice system ( CJS ) are far too inclined to blame the offenders for these issues , rather than make a meaningul effort to help them rehabilitate . Certainly access to the NHS is a joke - they do not have the resources for general mental health let alone the specialist knowledge of what makes people offend , and cannot change the approach of the CJS , so the problems just escalate . I found some NHS professionals very judgemental indeed ( although some frontline staff were fantastic ). Hence my title ' Genocide ' because every agent I have interacted with has ignored the issues . Also the police have NO POLICY FOR MENTALLY DISABLED people only mental health issues ( I am austistic and find the SHPO challenging ). When I have raised simple points for improvement , they have pretty much laughed in my face ( includes ironically probation , but police as well ). Everyone just wants to follow procedure . I think following orders blindly makes you no better than a concentration camp guard during WW2 ( many criminals and mentally disabled people were murdered ). I ' m currently facing a court case and further prosecution for failing to declare a pc I was sent and never used for review . I am guilty of this . But its mainly down to the autism which I have finally received medication for after waiting two years . The police know this , but want to follow ' the process '. Pointless ? I think so . * https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england/statistical-report-near-to-real-time-suspected-suicide-surveillance-nrtsss-for-england-for-the-15-months-to-august-2023#findings** https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023/deaths-of-offenders-in-the-community-annual-update-to-march-2023*** https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprobation/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2022/07/Suicide-and-self-harm-staff-experiences-v1.0.pdf Before the part you quoted , Article 2 says: " genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". So , as discriminatory as these actions are , they do not meet the definition of genocide . I could mention some times in the past when genocide has been an issue , but I ' m not going to compare this to those events . There is no protection in law in any part of the UK against discrimination on the basis of having a criminal record of any type for any offence or offences . Sadly . Of course , the system should be more sympathetic and supportive towards your situation . After all , they are required to make reasonable adjustments to accommodate any person who has a disability . A disability is defined by the Equality Act 2010 as follows : " (1)A person (P) has a disability if—(a)P has a physical or mental impairment, and(b)the impairment has a substantial and long-term adverse effect on P's ability to carry out normal day-to-day activities", which probably means you are included . Maybe that would be a better line of approach . Yes true , although there are definitions of genocide that are more ' flexibly ' worded than the United Nations definition . I take the points raised but fundamentally our approach to all offending but especially sex / violent offending needs to change to a more preventative model - by which I don ' t mean the current ' virtual home arrest ' approach , but courses and professional assessment by independent practitioners who are not motivated by self protection or blanket overly harsh regulation [ Offered by Lucy Faithful foundation but costing over £ 4k I believe ]. Another way could be the government putting its money where its mouth is on rehabilitation by offering a form of indemnity to companies who employ offenders of all types - perhaps a bounty of £ 10k and / or a form of insurance to recompense for any proven issues . This would be far , far cheaper than constantly subjecting risky offenders to interrogation and ' live ' risk assessment although these could run alongside if needed for that first year . I don ' t get the impression any organization including probation is remotely motivated to rehabilitee sex offenders ( point noted about some believing this can never take place but would dispute it for offences like indecent images ). For tax payer cost and efficiency alone , we need a much more positive system . I would estimate Kent Police have wasted around £ 500k over 6 years on my case . Preventing Human beings from working and social contact can drive the issues which sent them on a downwards spiral in the first place . I have been incredibly lucky , had support , and had some success on all fronts , but I shouldn ' t NEED luck to rehabilitate , thats supposed to be part of the Criminal Justice system , and thats what is missing . Of course all the money being spent on offender management and a LOT of benefits , is not being spent teaching our kids about the issue , or investigating harm against them . Hi You are echoing many of the thoughts expressed over the years by all of us that are attempting to show society " rehabilatation is possible ". I have a copy of an Probation report that stated that a " low risk convicted offender " is a lower risk to society than most of " non convicted " members of society . Though our suggestions could be a conept to work on by " reviewers " I do not see this Government allocating any funds or insurance policy to employers . As mentioned they have praised the work of Timpson , but in reality he is as " discrimtary " as most . Yes he will accept the praise for recuiting a few " selective " ex - offenders but will not even discuss ex - sos ! He was on Radio 5 a few months back and I called in to ask him directly about this but was not put through ! yet an ex - con who speaks about the " cushy life in prison " or convicted of other " glorified " offences they feature ! Sorry if sounds like a rant . As most will agree " if something does not win votes or sells newspapers " then it is ignored or brief comments are voiced ! As i said before , never give up hope but do focus on your own welbeing first !
Society suggests I must let go of all my expectations but I disagree, as whilst I have a voice, I have hope.
Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope is for tomorrow else what is left if you remove a mans hope.
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