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+x+x+xWasn't too sure where to post this, hopefully here is OK. I'm looking forward (with crossed fingers) to heading off on holiday once I'm off licence next year. I have indefinite SOR and SHPO so need to pay careful attention to the rules. I have made myself familiar with the travel notification process and this seems quite straightforward. I understand that I have to notify my travel details at least 7 days in advance, and if any of these should change while I'm away e.g. canceled flight, I have to notifiy again within 3 days of my return to the UK. However I can't find a definitive statement on the extent to which the SOR and/or SHPO requirements apply abroad.For example, if I access the internet from the UK using my own devices no notification is required, but if I were to use the wifi at e.g. Birmingham New St, I would have to notifiy within 3 days of doing so. With one eye on the cost of mobile data overseas, I want to know whether I am still subject to the reporting requirements if I use the wifi in a Spanish bar... if so, I will have to carry a notebook and pen around with me to keep track !! I'm sure I read somewhere that SOR and SHPO requirements do not apply while out of the UK, but for all my googling I can't find hard and firm info. Any help much appreciated  Hi As other have mentioned the authorities have no "authority" when you are not within "UK" jurisdiction. One point I will ask if to anyone else who has an indef SOR requirement. As those on the indef SOR requirement are aware you have a 15 year countdown until your can apply to have it discharged. Due to my various discussions with various areas of the "Authorities", I read that time spent outside of the UK jurisdiction does not count or rather is added on to the 15 years in the same manner time spent incarcerated is not counted in the reduction of the 15 year countdown. Therefore has anyone become a victim of this? If so was you out of the country for days, weeks, months or years. It would be interesting to know as I have found their records are not fully accurate and this element would have to be or at least "we would have to maintain our own records. As always keep safe and lawful but be happy I've just checked the law about notification periods, and it says that any period spent outside the UK before first notifying at a police station doesn't count towards the fifteen years. In the bit about calculating the qualifying period, time spent abroad isn't mentioned. I'm guessing that was set up to cover people who go abroad and are convicted in their absence, but whatever the reason, that's how it stands. Hi and thanks, That's the way I read it but wanted another opinion. However I will dig out the "info" I read that said something slightly different and get back you to. As you know I am still trying to resolve my discharge application date and so far all and any "words" are being said because of the "lawful loop hole" (as some would call it) that their processes placed me in. Cheers and keep happy.
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+x+x+xWasn't too sure where to post this, hopefully here is OK. I'm looking forward (with crossed fingers) to heading off on holiday once I'm off licence next year. I have indefinite SOR and SHPO so need to pay careful attention to the rules. I have made myself familiar with the travel notification process and this seems quite straightforward. I understand that I have to notify my travel details at least 7 days in advance, and if any of these should change while I'm away e.g. canceled flight, I have to notifiy again within 3 days of my return to the UK. However I can't find a definitive statement on the extent to which the SOR and/or SHPO requirements apply abroad.For example, if I access the internet from the UK using my own devices no notification is required, but if I were to use the wifi at e.g. Birmingham New St, I would have to notifiy within 3 days of doing so. With one eye on the cost of mobile data overseas, I want to know whether I am still subject to the reporting requirements if I use the wifi in a Spanish bar... if so, I will have to carry a notebook and pen around with me to keep track !! I'm sure I read somewhere that SOR and SHPO requirements do not apply while out of the UK, but for all my googling I can't find hard and firm info. Any help much appreciated Hi As other have mentioned the authorities have no "authority" when you are not within "UK" jurisdiction. One point I will ask if to anyone else who has an indef SOR requirement. As those on the indef SOR requirement are aware you have a 15 year countdown until your can apply to have it discharged. Due to my various discussions with various areas of the "Authorities", I read that time spent outside of the UK jurisdiction does not count or rather is added on to the 15 years in the same manner time spent incarcerated is not counted in the reduction of the 15 year countdown. Therefore has anyone become a victim of this? If so was you out of the country for days, weeks, months or years. It would be interesting to know as I have found their records are not fully accurate and this element would have to be or at least "we would have to maintain our own records. As always keep safe and lawful but be happy I've just checked the law about notification periods, and it says that any period spent outside the UK before first notifying at a police station doesn't count towards the fifteen years. In the bit about calculating the qualifying period, time spent abroad isn't mentioned. I'm guessing that was set up to cover people who go abroad and are convicted in their absence, but whatever the reason, that's how it stands. Being abroad you're not subject at all. When I applied to have my sopo removed as it was to further notice so it meant my SOR was never ending the police barrister actually said me not notifying or following sopo restrictions abroad showed I was of bad character but also admitted that I had done nothing wrong by not doing. At a guestimate I spent 85% or 90% of my SOR period abroad, until I had it removed, and nothing was mentioned about the wait time not being met.
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+x+x+x+xWasn't too sure where to post this, hopefully here is OK. I'm looking forward (with crossed fingers) to heading off on holiday once I'm off licence next year. I have indefinite SOR and SHPO so need to pay careful attention to the rules. I have made myself familiar with the travel notification process and this seems quite straightforward. I understand that I have to notify my travel details at least 7 days in advance, and if any of these should change while I'm away e.g. canceled flight, I have to notifiy again within 3 days of my return to the UK. However I can't find a definitive statement on the extent to which the SOR and/or SHPO requirements apply abroad.For example, if I access the internet from the UK using my own devices no notification is required, but if I were to use the wifi at e.g. Birmingham New St, I would have to notifiy within 3 days of doing so. With one eye on the cost of mobile data overseas, I want to know whether I am still subject to the reporting requirements if I use the wifi in a Spanish bar... if so, I will have to carry a notebook and pen around with me to keep track !! I'm sure I read somewhere that SOR and SHPO requirements do not apply while out of the UK, but for all my googling I can't find hard and firm info. Any help much appreciated Hi As other have mentioned the authorities have no "authority" when you are not within "UK" jurisdiction. One point I will ask if to anyone else who has an indef SOR requirement. As those on the indef SOR requirement are aware you have a 15 year countdown until your can apply to have it discharged. Due to my various discussions with various areas of the "Authorities", I read that time spent outside of the UK jurisdiction does not count or rather is added on to the 15 years in the same manner time spent incarcerated is not counted in the reduction of the 15 year countdown. Therefore has anyone become a victim of this? If so was you out of the country for days, weeks, months or years. It would be interesting to know as I have found their records are not fully accurate and this element would have to be or at least "we would have to maintain our own records. As always keep safe and lawful but be happy I've just checked the law about notification periods, and it says that any period spent outside the UK before first notifying at a police station doesn't count towards the fifteen years. In the bit about calculating the qualifying period, time spent abroad isn't mentioned. I'm guessing that was set up to cover people who go abroad and are convicted in their absence, but whatever the reason, that's how it stands. Being abroad you're not subject at all. When I applied to have my sopo removed as it was to further notice so it meant my SOR was never ending the police barrister actually said me not notifying or following sopo restrictions abroad showed I was of bad character but also admitted that I had done nothing wrong by not doing. At a guestimate I spent 85% or 90% of my SOR period abroad, until I had it removed, and nothing was mentioned about the wait time not being met. If you don't mind me asking, where did you spend your time abroad ? I'd be interested to know which countries don't take much account of convictions, SHPO & SOR...
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+x+x+x+x+xWasn't too sure where to post this, hopefully here is OK. I'm looking forward (with crossed fingers) to heading off on holiday once I'm off licence next year. I have indefinite SOR and SHPO so need to pay careful attention to the rules. I have made myself familiar with the travel notification process and this seems quite straightforward. I understand that I have to notify my travel details at least 7 days in advance, and if any of these should change while I'm away e.g. canceled flight, I have to notifiy again within 3 days of my return to the UK. However I can't find a definitive statement on the extent to which the SOR and/or SHPO requirements apply abroad.For example, if I access the internet from the UK using my own devices no notification is required, but if I were to use the wifi at e.g. Birmingham New St, I would have to notifiy within 3 days of doing so. With one eye on the cost of mobile data overseas, I want to know whether I am still subject to the reporting requirements if I use the wifi in a Spanish bar... if so, I will have to carry a notebook and pen around with me to keep track !! I'm sure I read somewhere that SOR and SHPO requirements do not apply while out of the UK, but for all my googling I can't find hard and firm info. Any help much appreciated Hi As other have mentioned the authorities have no "authority" when you are not within "UK" jurisdiction. One point I will ask if to anyone else who has an indef SOR requirement. As those on the indef SOR requirement are aware you have a 15 year countdown until your can apply to have it discharged. Due to my various discussions with various areas of the "Authorities", I read that time spent outside of the UK jurisdiction does not count or rather is added on to the 15 years in the same manner time spent incarcerated is not counted in the reduction of the 15 year countdown. Therefore has anyone become a victim of this? If so was you out of the country for days, weeks, months or years. It would be interesting to know as I have found their records are not fully accurate and this element would have to be or at least "we would have to maintain our own records. As always keep safe and lawful but be happy I've just checked the law about notification periods, and it says that any period spent outside the UK before first notifying at a police station doesn't count towards the fifteen years. In the bit about calculating the qualifying period, time spent abroad isn't mentioned. I'm guessing that was set up to cover people who go abroad and are convicted in their absence, but whatever the reason, that's how it stands. Being abroad you're not subject at all. When I applied to have my sopo removed as it was to further notice so it meant my SOR was never ending the police barrister actually said me not notifying or following sopo restrictions abroad showed I was of bad character but also admitted that I had done nothing wrong by not doing. At a guestimate I spent 85% or 90% of my SOR period abroad, until I had it removed, and nothing was mentioned about the wait time not being met. If you don't mind me asking, where did you spend your time abroad ? I'd be interested to know which countries don't take much account of convictions, SHPO & SOR... Spain and Asia mainly. Spain initially.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xWasn't too sure where to post this, hopefully here is OK. I'm looking forward (with crossed fingers) to heading off on holiday once I'm off licence next year. I have indefinite SOR and SHPO so need to pay careful attention to the rules. I have made myself familiar with the travel notification process and this seems quite straightforward. I understand that I have to notify my travel details at least 7 days in advance, and if any of these should change while I'm away e.g. canceled flight, I have to notifiy again within 3 days of my return to the UK. However I can't find a definitive statement on the extent to which the SOR and/or SHPO requirements apply abroad.For example, if I access the internet from the UK using my own devices no notification is required, but if I were to use the wifi at e.g. Birmingham New St, I would have to notifiy within 3 days of doing so. With one eye on the cost of mobile data overseas, I want to know whether I am still subject to the reporting requirements if I use the wifi in a Spanish bar... if so, I will have to carry a notebook and pen around with me to keep track !! I'm sure I read somewhere that SOR and SHPO requirements do not apply while out of the UK, but for all my googling I can't find hard and firm info. Any help much appreciated Hi As other have mentioned the authorities have no "authority" when you are not within "UK" jurisdiction. One point I will ask if to anyone else who has an indef SOR requirement. As those on the indef SOR requirement are aware you have a 15 year countdown until your can apply to have it discharged. Due to my various discussions with various areas of the "Authorities", I read that time spent outside of the UK jurisdiction does not count or rather is added on to the 15 years in the same manner time spent incarcerated is not counted in the reduction of the 15 year countdown. Therefore has anyone become a victim of this? If so was you out of the country for days, weeks, months or years. It would be interesting to know as I have found their records are not fully accurate and this element would have to be or at least "we would have to maintain our own records. As always keep safe and lawful but be happy I've just checked the law about notification periods, and it says that any period spent outside the UK before first notifying at a police station doesn't count towards the fifteen years. In the bit about calculating the qualifying period, time spent abroad isn't mentioned. I'm guessing that was set up to cover people who go abroad and are convicted in their absence, but whatever the reason, that's how it stands. Being abroad you're not subject at all. When I applied to have my sopo removed as it was to further notice so it meant my SOR was never ending the police barrister actually said me not notifying or following sopo restrictions abroad showed I was of bad character but also admitted that I had done nothing wrong by not doing. At a guestimate I spent 85% or 90% of my SOR period abroad, until I had it removed, and nothing was mentioned about the wait time not being met. If you don't mind me asking, where did you spend your time abroad ? I'd be interested to know which countries don't take much account of convictions, SHPO & SOR... Spain and Asia mainly. Spain initially. Cheers
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+x+x+x+x+x+xWasn't too sure where to post this, hopefully here is OK. I'm looking forward (with crossed fingers) to heading off on holiday once I'm off licence next year. I have indefinite SOR and SHPO so need to pay careful attention to the rules. I have made myself familiar with the travel notification process and this seems quite straightforward. I understand that I have to notify my travel details at least 7 days in advance, and if any of these should change while I'm away e.g. canceled flight, I have to notifiy again within 3 days of my return to the UK. However I can't find a definitive statement on the extent to which the SOR and/or SHPO requirements apply abroad.For example, if I access the internet from the UK using my own devices no notification is required, but if I were to use the wifi at e.g. Birmingham New St, I would have to notifiy within 3 days of doing so. With one eye on the cost of mobile data overseas, I want to know whether I am still subject to the reporting requirements if I use the wifi in a Spanish bar... if so, I will have to carry a notebook and pen around with me to keep track !! I'm sure I read somewhere that SOR and SHPO requirements do not apply while out of the UK, but for all my googling I can't find hard and firm info. Any help much appreciated Hi As other have mentioned the authorities have no "authority" when you are not within "UK" jurisdiction. One point I will ask if to anyone else who has an indef SOR requirement. As those on the indef SOR requirement are aware you have a 15 year countdown until your can apply to have it discharged. Due to my various discussions with various areas of the "Authorities", I read that time spent outside of the UK jurisdiction does not count or rather is added on to the 15 years in the same manner time spent incarcerated is not counted in the reduction of the 15 year countdown. Therefore has anyone become a victim of this? If so was you out of the country for days, weeks, months or years. It would be interesting to know as I have found their records are not fully accurate and this element would have to be or at least "we would have to maintain our own records. As always keep safe and lawful but be happy I've just checked the law about notification periods, and it says that any period spent outside the UK before first notifying at a police station doesn't count towards the fifteen years. In the bit about calculating the qualifying period, time spent abroad isn't mentioned. I'm guessing that was set up to cover people who go abroad and are convicted in their absence, but whatever the reason, that's how it stands. Being abroad you're not subject at all. When I applied to have my sopo removed as it was to further notice so it meant my SOR was never ending the police barrister actually said me not notifying or following sopo restrictions abroad showed I was of bad character but also admitted that I had done nothing wrong by not doing. At a guestimate I spent 85% or 90% of my SOR period abroad, until I had it removed, and nothing was mentioned about the wait time not being met. If you don't mind me asking, where did you spend your time abroad ? I'd be interested to know which countries don't take much account of convictions, SHPO & SOR... Spain and Asia mainly. Spain initially. Hi Be interesting in how "Asia" allowed you entry and if your OM was aware before hand. Mind you I should assume you went there from Spain so did not tell them of the trip?
Society suggests I must let go of all my expectations but I disagree, as whilst I have a voice, I have hope.
Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope is for tomorrow else what is left if you remove a mans hope.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWasn't too sure where to post this, hopefully here is OK. I'm looking forward (with crossed fingers) to heading off on holiday once I'm off licence next year. I have indefinite SOR and SHPO so need to pay careful attention to the rules. I have made myself familiar with the travel notification process and this seems quite straightforward. I understand that I have to notify my travel details at least 7 days in advance, and if any of these should change while I'm away e.g. canceled flight, I have to notifiy again within 3 days of my return to the UK. However I can't find a definitive statement on the extent to which the SOR and/or SHPO requirements apply abroad.For example, if I access the internet from the UK using my own devices no notification is required, but if I were to use the wifi at e.g. Birmingham New St, I would have to notifiy within 3 days of doing so. With one eye on the cost of mobile data overseas, I want to know whether I am still subject to the reporting requirements if I use the wifi in a Spanish bar... if so, I will have to carry a notebook and pen around with me to keep track !! I'm sure I read somewhere that SOR and SHPO requirements do not apply while out of the UK, but for all my googling I can't find hard and firm info. Any help much appreciated Hi As other have mentioned the authorities have no "authority" when you are not within "UK" jurisdiction. One point I will ask if to anyone else who has an indef SOR requirement. As those on the indef SOR requirement are aware you have a 15 year countdown until your can apply to have it discharged. Due to my various discussions with various areas of the "Authorities", I read that time spent outside of the UK jurisdiction does not count or rather is added on to the 15 years in the same manner time spent incarcerated is not counted in the reduction of the 15 year countdown. Therefore has anyone become a victim of this? If so was you out of the country for days, weeks, months or years. It would be interesting to know as I have found their records are not fully accurate and this element would have to be or at least "we would have to maintain our own records. As always keep safe and lawful but be happy I've just checked the law about notification periods, and it says that any period spent outside the UK before first notifying at a police station doesn't count towards the fifteen years. In the bit about calculating the qualifying period, time spent abroad isn't mentioned. I'm guessing that was set up to cover people who go abroad and are convicted in their absence, but whatever the reason, that's how it stands. Being abroad you're not subject at all. When I applied to have my sopo removed as it was to further notice so it meant my SOR was never ending the police barrister actually said me not notifying or following sopo restrictions abroad showed I was of bad character but also admitted that I had done nothing wrong by not doing. At a guestimate I spent 85% or 90% of my SOR period abroad, until I had it removed, and nothing was mentioned about the wait time not being met. If you don't mind me asking, where did you spend your time abroad ? I'd be interested to know which countries don't take much account of convictions, SHPO & SOR... Spain and Asia mainly. Spain initially. Hi Be interesting in how "Asia" allowed you entry and if your OM was aware before hand. Mind you I should assume you went there from Spain so did not tell them of the trip? Hi, Yeah I moved back to Spain (moved there originally after my conviction but went back to the UK after 3 years). Then after a week in Spain I moved to Asia. It may have changed but at the time you only had to notify of your first point of call if you didn't have anything else already planned. Technically I didn't, if anyone asked.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWasn't too sure where to post this, hopefully here is OK. I'm looking forward (with crossed fingers) to heading off on holiday once I'm off licence next year. I have indefinite SOR and SHPO so need to pay careful attention to the rules. I have made myself familiar with the travel notification process and this seems quite straightforward. I understand that I have to notify my travel details at least 7 days in advance, and if any of these should change while I'm away e.g. canceled flight, I have to notifiy again within 3 days of my return to the UK. However I can't find a definitive statement on the extent to which the SOR and/or SHPO requirements apply abroad.For example, if I access the internet from the UK using my own devices no notification is required, but if I were to use the wifi at e.g. Birmingham New St, I would have to notifiy within 3 days of doing so. With one eye on the cost of mobile data overseas, I want to know whether I am still subject to the reporting requirements if I use the wifi in a Spanish bar... if so, I will have to carry a notebook and pen around with me to keep track !! I'm sure I read somewhere that SOR and SHPO requirements do not apply while out of the UK, but for all my googling I can't find hard and firm info. Any help much appreciated Hi As other have mentioned the authorities have no "authority" when you are not within "UK" jurisdiction. One point I will ask if to anyone else who has an indef SOR requirement. As those on the indef SOR requirement are aware you have a 15 year countdown until your can apply to have it discharged. Due to my various discussions with various areas of the "Authorities", I read that time spent outside of the UK jurisdiction does not count or rather is added on to the 15 years in the same manner time spent incarcerated is not counted in the reduction of the 15 year countdown. Therefore has anyone become a victim of this? If so was you out of the country for days, weeks, months or years. It would be interesting to know as I have found their records are not fully accurate and this element would have to be or at least "we would have to maintain our own records. As always keep safe and lawful but be happy I've just checked the law about notification periods, and it says that any period spent outside the UK before first notifying at a police station doesn't count towards the fifteen years. In the bit about calculating the qualifying period, time spent abroad isn't mentioned. I'm guessing that was set up to cover people who go abroad and are convicted in their absence, but whatever the reason, that's how it stands. Being abroad you're not subject at all. When I applied to have my sopo removed as it was to further notice so it meant my SOR was never ending the police barrister actually said me not notifying or following sopo restrictions abroad showed I was of bad character but also admitted that I had done nothing wrong by not doing. At a guestimate I spent 85% or 90% of my SOR period abroad, until I had it removed, and nothing was mentioned about the wait time not being met. If you don't mind me asking, where did you spend your time abroad ? I'd be interested to know which countries don't take much account of convictions, SHPO & SOR... Spain and Asia mainly. Spain initially. Hi Be interesting in how "Asia" allowed you entry and if your OM was aware before hand. Mind you I should assume you went there from Spain so did not tell them of the trip? Hi, Yeah I moved back to Spain (moved there originally after my conviction but went back to the UK after 3 years). Then after a week in Spain I moved to Asia. It may have changed but at the time you only had to notify of your first point of call if you didn't have anything else already planned. Technically I didn't, if anyone asked. It is exactly so.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWasn't too sure where to post this, hopefully here is OK. I'm looking forward (with crossed fingers) to heading off on holiday once I'm off licence next year. I have indefinite SOR and SHPO so need to pay careful attention to the rules. I have made myself familiar with the travel notification process and this seems quite straightforward. I understand that I have to notify my travel details at least 7 days in advance, and if any of these should change while I'm away e.g. canceled flight, I have to notifiy again within 3 days of my return to the UK. However I can't find a definitive statement on the extent to which the SOR and/or SHPO requirements apply abroad.For example, if I access the internet from the UK using my own devices no notification is required, but if I were to use the wifi at e.g. Birmingham New St, I would have to notifiy within 3 days of doing so. With one eye on the cost of mobile data overseas, I want to know whether I am still subject to the reporting requirements if I use the wifi in a Spanish bar... if so, I will have to carry a notebook and pen around with me to keep track !! I'm sure I read somewhere that SOR and SHPO requirements do not apply while out of the UK, but for all my googling I can't find hard and firm info. Any help much appreciated Hi As other have mentioned the authorities have no "authority" when you are not within "UK" jurisdiction. One point I will ask if to anyone else who has an indef SOR requirement. As those on the indef SOR requirement are aware you have a 15 year countdown until your can apply to have it discharged. Due to my various discussions with various areas of the "Authorities", I read that time spent outside of the UK jurisdiction does not count or rather is added on to the 15 years in the same manner time spent incarcerated is not counted in the reduction of the 15 year countdown. Therefore has anyone become a victim of this? If so was you out of the country for days, weeks, months or years. It would be interesting to know as I have found their records are not fully accurate and this element would have to be or at least "we would have to maintain our own records. As always keep safe and lawful but be happy I've just checked the law about notification periods, and it says that any period spent outside the UK before first notifying at a police station doesn't count towards the fifteen years. In the bit about calculating the qualifying period, time spent abroad isn't mentioned. I'm guessing that was set up to cover people who go abroad and are convicted in their absence, but whatever the reason, that's how it stands. Being abroad you're not subject at all. When I applied to have my sopo removed as it was to further notice so it meant my SOR was never ending the police barrister actually said me not notifying or following sopo restrictions abroad showed I was of bad character but also admitted that I had done nothing wrong by not doing. At a guestimate I spent 85% or 90% of my SOR period abroad, until I had it removed, and nothing was mentioned about the wait time not being met. If you don't mind me asking, where did you spend your time abroad ? I'd be interested to know which countries don't take much account of convictions, SHPO & SOR... Spain and Asia mainly. Spain initially. Hi Be interesting in how "Asia" allowed you entry and if your OM was aware before hand. Mind you I should assume you went there from Spain so did not tell them of the trip? Hi, Yeah I moved back to Spain (moved there originally after my conviction but went back to the UK after 3 years). Then after a week in Spain I moved to Asia. It may have changed but at the time you only had to notify of your first point of call if you didn't have anything else already planned. Technically I didn't, if anyone asked. Hi My father used to live there and I visited (98 onwards) often prior to my offence. Whilst I was on bail I went for 4 months and no one cared. Mind you after my guilty plea the Probation Office went to town on my visits. Whilst awaiting sentencing (for 2 years) I was going back to visit family. However the police took me to Court saying I was doing a runner. The Judge dismissed their case but did allow them to keep my passport as Asia is deemed a high risk place. this was back in 2012 The Passport control especially Thailand and Vietnam were very strict on the questions about convictions hence my question, as even now i cannot go back else I would to see extended family
Society suggests I must let go of all my expectations but I disagree, as whilst I have a voice, I have hope.
Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope is for tomorrow else what is left if you remove a mans hope.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWasn't too sure where to post this, hopefully here is OK. I'm looking forward (with crossed fingers) to heading off on holiday once I'm off licence next year. I have indefinite SOR and SHPO so need to pay careful attention to the rules. I have made myself familiar with the travel notification process and this seems quite straightforward. I understand that I have to notify my travel details at least 7 days in advance, and if any of these should change while I'm away e.g. canceled flight, I have to notifiy again within 3 days of my return to the UK. However I can't find a definitive statement on the extent to which the SOR and/or SHPO requirements apply abroad.For example, if I access the internet from the UK using my own devices no notification is required, but if I were to use the wifi at e.g. Birmingham New St, I would have to notifiy within 3 days of doing so. With one eye on the cost of mobile data overseas, I want to know whether I am still subject to the reporting requirements if I use the wifi in a Spanish bar... if so, I will have to carry a notebook and pen around with me to keep track !! I'm sure I read somewhere that SOR and SHPO requirements do not apply while out of the UK, but for all my googling I can't find hard and firm info. Any help much appreciated Hi As other have mentioned the authorities have no "authority" when you are not within "UK" jurisdiction. One point I will ask if to anyone else who has an indef SOR requirement. As those on the indef SOR requirement are aware you have a 15 year countdown until your can apply to have it discharged. Due to my various discussions with various areas of the "Authorities", I read that time spent outside of the UK jurisdiction does not count or rather is added on to the 15 years in the same manner time spent incarcerated is not counted in the reduction of the 15 year countdown. Therefore has anyone become a victim of this? If so was you out of the country for days, weeks, months or years. It would be interesting to know as I have found their records are not fully accurate and this element would have to be or at least "we would have to maintain our own records. As always keep safe and lawful but be happy I've just checked the law about notification periods, and it says that any period spent outside the UK before first notifying at a police station doesn't count towards the fifteen years. In the bit about calculating the qualifying period, time spent abroad isn't mentioned. I'm guessing that was set up to cover people who go abroad and are convicted in their absence, but whatever the reason, that's how it stands. Being abroad you're not subject at all. When I applied to have my sopo removed as it was to further notice so it meant my SOR was never ending the police barrister actually said me not notifying or following sopo restrictions abroad showed I was of bad character but also admitted that I had done nothing wrong by not doing. At a guestimate I spent 85% or 90% of my SOR period abroad, until I had it removed, and nothing was mentioned about the wait time not being met. If you don't mind me asking, where did you spend your time abroad ? I'd be interested to know which countries don't take much account of convictions, SHPO & SOR... Spain and Asia mainly. Spain initially. Hi Be interesting in how "Asia" allowed you entry and if your OM was aware before hand. Mind you I should assume you went there from Spain so did not tell them of the trip? Hi, Yeah I moved back to Spain (moved there originally after my conviction but went back to the UK after 3 years). Then after a week in Spain I moved to Asia. It may have changed but at the time you only had to notify of your first point of call if you didn't have anything else already planned. Technically I didn't, if anyone asked. Hi My father used to live there and I visited (98 onwards) often prior to my offence. Whilst I was on bail I went for 4 months and no one cared. Mind you after my guilty plea the Probation Office went to town on my visits. Whilst awaiting sentencing (for 2 years) I was going back to visit family. However the police took me to Court saying I was doing a runner. The Judge dismissed their case but did allow them to keep my passport as Asia is deemed a high risk place. this was back in 2012 The Passport control especially Thailand and Vietnam were very strict on the questions about convictions hence my question, as even now i cannot go back else I would to see extended family Hi Expatoff and JASB seem to be giving differing accounts of their foreign visits. One of you is untroubled by travel to Asia and the other is wary of returning. Can either of you clarify the conflicting posts? Thanks
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