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Re travelling once no longer high risk and never had a green notice issued - on that basis presumably the other country has no knowledge of the offence. Is that right, or is there more I should be thinking of?
We can very strongly presume that yes. Unless there are ad hoc / informal channels involved. Evidence: I entered the USA recently, off register, despite having been green noticed all over the place while on register. That’s really interesting. Are you able to comment on the US visa process? (I appreciate this is at least 9.5 years away for me!)
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Re travelling once no longer high risk and never had a green notice issued - on that basis presumably the other country has no knowledge of the offence. Is that right, or is there more I should be thinking of?
We can very strongly presume that yes. Unless there are ad hoc / informal channels involved.
Evidence: I entered the USA recently, off register, despite having been green noticed all over the place while on register.
I can only speak from personal experience, but as a medium-risk offender with indefinite SOR and SHPO my overseas travel has been entirely trouble free.
I have travelled on Eurostar, BA, Jet2, Easyet, Wizz and Turkish and none of them raised an eyebrow.
I have gone through passport control into France, Germany, Poland, Romania, Turkey and back into UK with no more than a few questions and always a calm, professional attitude from the border agents.
My main PPU officer is pleasant and pragmatic, when I asked about Green Notices he said "we're not bothered about Europe or Turkey, you'll have no trouble") and be has been proved right.
We'll wait to see what ETIAS brings, but in the meantime I am currently swerving Europe and planning a month or so in the Balkans next summer.
Re travelling once no longer high risk and never had a green notice issued - on that basis presumably the other country has no knowledge of the offence. Is that right, or is there more I should be thinking of?
We can very strongly presume that yes. Unless there are ad hoc / informal channels involved.
Evidence: I entered the USA recently, off register, despite having been green noticed all over the place while on register.
I can only speak from personal experience, but as a medium-risk offender with indefinite SOR and SHPO my overseas travel has been entirely trouble free.
I have travelled on Eurostar, BA, Jet2, Easyet, Wizz and Turkish and none of them raised an eyebrow.
I have gone through passport control into France, Germany, Poland, Romania, Turkey and back into UK with no more than a few questions and always a calm, professional attitude from the border agents.
My main PPU officer is pleasant and pragmatic, when I asked about Green Notices he said "we're not bothered about Europe or Turkey, you'll have no trouble") and be has been proved right.
We wait to see what ETIAS brings, but in the meantime I am currently planning a month or so in the Balkans next summer.
By the way, I think @stersco83 is very bold to have lied his way into the US, the prisons there are horrific !
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Re travelling once no longer high risk and never had a green notice issued - on that basis presumably the other country has no knowledge of the offence. Is that right, or is there more I should be thinking of?
We can very strongly presume that yes. Unless there are ad hoc / informal channels involved. Evidence: I entered the USA recently, off register, despite having been green noticed all over the place while on register. That’s really interesting. Are you able to comment on the US visa process? (I appreciate this is at least 9.5 years away for me!) Sorry, I will try that again... :0 I can only speak from personal experience, but as a medium-risk offender with indefinite SOR and SHPO my overseas travel has been entirely trouble free. I have travelled on Eurostar, BA, Jet2, Easyet, Wizz and Turkish and none of them raised an eyebrow. I have gone through passport control into France, Germany, Poland, Romania, Turkey and back into UK with no more than a few questions and always a calm, professional attitude from the border agents. My main PPU officer is pleasant and pragmatic, when I asked about Green Notices he said "we're not bothered about Europe or Turkey, you'll have no trouble") and be has been proved right. We'll wait to see what ETIAS brings, but in the meantime I am currently swerving Europe and planning a month or so in the Balkans next summer. Re travelling once no longer high risk and never had a green notice issued - on that basis presumably the other country has no knowledge of the offence. Is that right, or is there more I should be thinking of? We can very strongly presume that yes. Unless there are ad hoc / informal channels involved. Evidence: I entered the USA recently, off register, despite having been green noticed all over the place while on register. I can only speak from personal experience, but as a medium-risk offender with indefinite SOR and SHPO my overseas travel has been entirely trouble free. I have travelled on Eurostar, BA, Jet2, Easyet, Wizz and Turkish and none of them raised an eyebrow. I have gone through passport control into France, Germany, Poland, Romania, Turkey and back into UK with no more than a few questions and always a calm, professional attitude from the border agents. My main PPU officer is pleasant and pragmatic, when I asked about Green Notices he said "we're not bothered about Europe or Turkey, you'll have no trouble") and be has been proved right. We wait to see what ETIAS brings, but in the meantime I am currently planning a month or so in the Balkans next summer. By the way, I think @stersco83 is very bold to have lied his way in
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Re travelling once no longer high risk and never had a green notice issued - on that basis presumably the other country has no knowledge of the offence. Is that right, or is there more I should be thinking of?
We can very strongly presume that yes. Unless there are ad hoc / informal channels involved. Evidence: I entered the USA recently, off register, despite having been green noticed all over the place while on register. Glad you got in ok mate!
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Re travelling once no longer high risk and never had a green notice issued - on that basis presumably the other country has no knowledge of the offence. Is that right, or is there more I should be thinking of?
We can very strongly presume that yes. Unless there are ad hoc / informal channels involved. Evidence: I entered the USA recently, off register, despite having been green noticed all over the place while on register. That’s really interesting. Are you able to comment on the US visa process? (I appreciate this is at least 9.5 years away for me!) Sorry, I will try that again... :0 I can only speak from personal experience, but as a medium-risk offender with indefinite SOR and SHPO my overseas travel has been entirely trouble free. I have travelled on Eurostar, BA, Jet2, Easyet, Wizz and Turkish and none of them raised an eyebrow. I have gone through passport control into France, Germany, Poland, Romania, Turkey and back into UK with no more than a few questions and always a calm, professional attitude from the border agents. My main PPU officer is pleasant and pragmatic, when I asked about Green Notices he said "we're not bothered about Europe or Turkey, you'll have no trouble") and be has been proved right. We'll wait to see what ETIAS brings, but in the meantime I am currently swerving Europe and planning a month or so in the Balkans next summer. Re travelling once no longer high risk and never had a green notice issued - on that basis presumably the other country has no knowledge of the offence. Is that right, or is there more I should be thinking of? We can very strongly presume that yes. Unless there are ad hoc / informal channels involved. Evidence: I entered the USA recently, off register, despite having been green noticed all over the place while on register. I can only speak from personal experience, but as a medium-risk offender with indefinite SOR and SHPO my overseas travel has been entirely trouble free. I have travelled on Eurostar, BA, Jet2, Easyet, Wizz and Turkish and none of them raised an eyebrow. I have gone through passport control into France, Germany, Poland, Romania, Turkey and back into UK with no more than a few questions and always a calm, professional attitude from the border agents. My main PPU officer is pleasant and pragmatic, when I asked about Green Notices he said "we're not bothered about Europe or Turkey, you'll have no trouble") and be has been proved right. We wait to see what ETIAS brings, but in the meantime I am currently planning a month or so in the Balkans next summer. By the way, I think @stersco83 is very bold to have lied his way in I'm medium risk on 10 year SOR & SHPO. Got into Norway & Italy with no problem but refused entry to Cyprus in July. I'm having trouble understanding why I'm being green noticed on medium risk but can't get any straight answers about proportionality. Now I have a documented refusal on Schengen I'm concerned I won't be allowed into Norway to visit my elderly father again.
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+xHi thanks for all the comments, really helpful.
We did ask for the assessment to be reconsidered, but had nothing back so we are going on holiday in the uk instead. We have found somewhere nice that was on my wife’s list and we are good with it. On balance I was uncomfortable with the idea of standing in the queue for passport control wondering if I’d be allowed in, and the risk others have highlighted of the notice sticking around in certain places/bans from some countries.
A couple of follow ups:
Re travelling once no longer high risk and never had a green notice issued - on that basis presumably the other country has no knowledge of the offence. Is that right, or is there more I should be thinking of?
Re finding out your assessment - people probably know but probation and police do their own assessments and don’t always agree. Also, I’ve been told that the assessment isn’t normally shared. Obviously I understand that the process isn’t shared but it seems reasonable to know what the outcome is. Even if it was an indirect ‘if I book a holiday to this place will a notice be issued?’ Has anybody found it difficult to find out what risk level the police have assessed them as?
Finally, am I right in thinking that ‘high risk’ assessments have to be reviewed at least every 16 weeks? I think I read that somewhere.
Cheers I am low risk and when i asked my PPU about green notices she said it was only to high risk countries that she would issue a green notice for. For EU countries she wouldn't ever think about a green notice. She also added that if they did issue a green notice she would tell me so I could be prepared for it. As with regards to your risk yes the police and probation do disagree on Risk Level but I believe they have to come to an agreement for MAPPA purposes . When I came off probation my probation officer advised my PPU she considered me high risk still but my PPU said she disagreed with this due to the courses I had done and the progress I had made and put me at medium risk then later down to low risk. You should be able to find out your risk level from your Offender Manager (PPU). You can also ask them about green notices as well but it does depend on how helpful and communicative they are.
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+x+xHi thanks for all the comments, really helpful.
We did ask for the assessment to be reconsidered, but had nothing back so we are going on holiday in the uk instead. We have found somewhere nice that was on my wife’s list and we are good with it. On balance I was uncomfortable with the idea of standing in the queue for passport control wondering if I’d be allowed in, and the risk others have highlighted of the notice sticking around in certain places/bans from some countries.
A couple of follow ups:
Re travelling once no longer high risk and never had a green notice issued - on that basis presumably the other country has no knowledge of the offence. Is that right, or is there more I should be thinking of?
Re finding out your assessment - people probably know but probation and police do their own assessments and don’t always agree. Also, I’ve been told that the assessment isn’t normally shared. Obviously I understand that the process isn’t shared but it seems reasonable to know what the outcome is. Even if it was an indirect ‘if I book a holiday to this place will a notice be issued?’ Has anybody found it difficult to find out what risk level the police have assessed them as?
Finally, am I right in thinking that ‘high risk’ assessments have to be reviewed at least every 16 weeks? I think I read that somewhere.
Cheers I am low risk and when i asked my PPU about green notices she said it was only to high risk countries that she would issue a green notice for. For EU countries she wouldn't ever think about a green notice. She also added that if they did issue a green notice she would tell me so I could be prepared for it. As with regards to your risk yes the police and probation do disagree on Risk Level but I believe they have to come to an agreement for MAPPA purposes . When I came off probation my probation officer advised my PPU she considered me high risk still but my PPU said she disagreed with this due to the courses I had done and the progress I had made and put me at medium risk then later down to low risk. You should be able to find out your risk level from your Offender Manager (PPU). You can also ask them about green notices as well but it does depend on how helpful and communicative they are. Maybe it varies by location, but my PPU told me that travel notifications go into a force central unit which assesses and issues Notices etc.
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+x+x+xHi thanks for all the comments, really helpful.
We did ask for the assessment to be reconsidered, but had nothing back so we are going on holiday in the uk instead. We have found somewhere nice that was on my wife’s list and we are good with it. On balance I was uncomfortable with the idea of standing in the queue for passport control wondering if I’d be allowed in, and the risk others have highlighted of the notice sticking around in certain places/bans from some countries.
A couple of follow ups:
Re travelling once no longer high risk and never had a green notice issued - on that basis presumably the other country has no knowledge of the offence. Is that right, or is there more I should be thinking of?
Re finding out your assessment - people probably know but probation and police do their own assessments and don’t always agree. Also, I’ve been told that the assessment isn’t normally shared. Obviously I understand that the process isn’t shared but it seems reasonable to know what the outcome is. Even if it was an indirect ‘if I book a holiday to this place will a notice be issued?’ Has anybody found it difficult to find out what risk level the police have assessed them as?
Finally, am I right in thinking that ‘high risk’ assessments have to be reviewed at least every 16 weeks? I think I read that somewhere.
Cheers I am low risk and when i asked my PPU about green notices she said it was only to high risk countries that she would issue a green notice for. For EU countries she wouldn't ever think about a green notice. She also added that if they did issue a green notice she would tell me so I could be prepared for it. As with regards to your risk yes the police and probation do disagree on Risk Level but I believe they have to come to an agreement for MAPPA purposes . When I came off probation my probation officer advised my PPU she considered me high risk still but my PPU said she disagreed with this due to the courses I had done and the progress I had made and put me at medium risk then later down to low risk. You should be able to find out your risk level from your Offender Manager (PPU). You can also ask them about green notices as well but it does depend on how helpful and communicative they are. Maybe it varies by location, but my PPU told me that travel notifications go into a force central unit which assesses and issues Notices etc. Each force has an international liaison unit that has read only access to the Interpol database. But the decision to issue green notices is made by the NCA.
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+x+x+x+xHi thanks for all the comments, really helpful.
We did ask for the assessment to be reconsidered, but had nothing back so we are going on holiday in the uk instead. We have found somewhere nice that was on my wife’s list and we are good with it. On balance I was uncomfortable with the idea of standing in the queue for passport control wondering if I’d be allowed in, and the risk others have highlighted of the notice sticking around in certain places/bans from some countries.
A couple of follow ups:
Re travelling once no longer high risk and never had a green notice issued - on that basis presumably the other country has no knowledge of the offence. Is that right, or is there more I should be thinking of?
Re finding out your assessment - people probably know but probation and police do their own assessments and don’t always agree. Also, I’ve been told that the assessment isn’t normally shared. Obviously I understand that the process isn’t shared but it seems reasonable to know what the outcome is. Even if it was an indirect ‘if I book a holiday to this place will a notice be issued?’ Has anybody found it difficult to find out what risk level the police have assessed them as?
Finally, am I right in thinking that ‘high risk’ assessments have to be reviewed at least every 16 weeks? I think I read that somewhere.
Cheers I am low risk and when i asked my PPU about green notices she said it was only to high risk countries that she would issue a green notice for. For EU countries she wouldn't ever think about a green notice. She also added that if they did issue a green notice she would tell me so I could be prepared for it. As with regards to your risk yes the police and probation do disagree on Risk Level but I believe they have to come to an agreement for MAPPA purposes . When I came off probation my probation officer advised my PPU she considered me high risk still but my PPU said she disagreed with this due to the courses I had done and the progress I had made and put me at medium risk then later down to low risk. You should be able to find out your risk level from your Offender Manager (PPU). You can also ask them about green notices as well but it does depend on how helpful and communicative they are. Maybe it varies by location, but my PPU told me that travel notifications go into a force central unit which assesses and issues Notices etc. Each force has an international liaison unit that has read only access to the Interpol database. But the decision to issue green notices is made by the NCA. Ah, my mistake. He said "goes to a central unit" and I took that to mean within my local force... NCA makes more sense tbh !
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+x+x+x+x+xHi thanks for all the comments, really helpful.
We did ask for the assessment to be reconsidered, but had nothing back so we are going on holiday in the uk instead. We have found somewhere nice that was on my wife’s list and we are good with it. On balance I was uncomfortable with the idea of standing in the queue for passport control wondering if I’d be allowed in, and the risk others have highlighted of the notice sticking around in certain places/bans from some countries.
A couple of follow ups:
Re travelling once no longer high risk and never had a green notice issued - on that basis presumably the other country has no knowledge of the offence. Is that right, or is there more I should be thinking of?
Re finding out your assessment - people probably know but probation and police do their own assessments and don’t always agree. Also, I’ve been told that the assessment isn’t normally shared. Obviously I understand that the process isn’t shared but it seems reasonable to know what the outcome is. Even if it was an indirect ‘if I book a holiday to this place will a notice be issued?’ Has anybody found it difficult to find out what risk level the police have assessed them as?
Finally, am I right in thinking that ‘high risk’ assessments have to be reviewed at least every 16 weeks? I think I read that somewhere.
Cheers I am low risk and when i asked my PPU about green notices she said it was only to high risk countries that she would issue a green notice for. For EU countries she wouldn't ever think about a green notice. She also added that if they did issue a green notice she would tell me so I could be prepared for it. As with regards to your risk yes the police and probation do disagree on Risk Level but I believe they have to come to an agreement for MAPPA purposes . When I came off probation my probation officer advised my PPU she considered me high risk still but my PPU said she disagreed with this due to the courses I had done and the progress I had made and put me at medium risk then later down to low risk. You should be able to find out your risk level from your Offender Manager (PPU). You can also ask them about green notices as well but it does depend on how helpful and communicative they are. Maybe it varies by location, but my PPU told me that travel notifications go into a force central unit which assesses and issues Notices etc. Each force has an international liaison unit that has read only access to the Interpol database. But the decision to issue green notices is made by the NCA. Ah, my mistake. He said "goes to a central unit" and I took that to mean within my local force... NCA makes more sense tbh ! The central unit probably is at the local force's HQ, where they make the decision. If they want a notice issued, they tell the NCA who then issue the notice. Local officers aren't involved in the decision-making process other than through their reports being used as part of the decision-making process.
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