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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x Re travelling once no longer high risk and never had a green notice issued - on that basis presumably the other country has no knowledge of the offence. Is that right, or is there more I should be thinking of?
We can very strongly presume that yes. Unless there are ad hoc / informal channels involved. Evidence: I entered the USA recently, off register, despite having been green noticed all over the place while on register. That’s really interesting. Are you able to comment on the US visa process? (I appreciate this is at least 9.5 years away for me!) I just said "no" on the "Esta" (Visa waiver online form), to the question about criminal history. This was the truth, as it said something about " ...arrested for a crime that led to injury or destruction of property". A funny qualifier, as a bank robbery may not even do that. You could say it's still a lie in spirit, but then again so is criminal record expiry generally, as it is a deliberate rugsweeping of historical fact. In fact, so is the withholding of green notices. I sailed through like nobody's business. 48 hours after dropping off the register. On the same passport known to the PPU. I went via Ireland, as they do the pre-clearance checks so if it all goes wrong, it goes wrong on Irish soil, and you don't get wrapped in tin foil and made to sleep in a cage with the bandidos. Another advantage is that i'm not Googlable within Europe (e.g. by border guards inside Europe), having invoked the Right to be Forgotten thingy. I also carried a blank criminal record check with me in among a heap of identity documents. (warning: speculation ahead)
I also tend to believe that I would have successfully entered the USA a week earlier while ON the register, IF I had made it an impromptu second port of call (i.e. if all tangible planning for the USA trip had happened while already abroad). But that's a pet theory on this forum, which depends on several factors, and a bit of a digression and speculation. I also half-believe that I would have successfully entered the USA travelling direct from UK while still medium risk on register. But the reason being the general disinterested attitude of the PPU - I just couldn't imagine them scrambling to alert anyone about me. It is not the PPU that make the decision to alert someone. That would be the NCA and unless you were considered high risk they had no reason to issue a green notice. Hello, This is my first post and I am currently trying to work out where I stand. I had a custodial sentence, released early and have recently finished my probation. I know I currently sit at 'medium' risk, this won't be going down anytime soon as, although I do acknowledge wrongdoing on my part my convictions are wrong (long story - don't get me started on that) and as I wont state that I am completely guilty of what is in the paperwork getting the score down is challenging. I would love to travel abroad in the near future (there is a long distance hiking trail somewhere sunny I've always wanted to do), and was interested in the statement that green notices are only issued to people who are 'high risk'. Do we know if this is fact, just experience or assumption? Thanks in advance The guidelines say they have to be issued for very high risk and high risk offenders. Those on medium risk and low risk are judged on a case by case basis. So it is possible you can get a green notice if you are medium risk although less likely. See more here https://www.college.police.uk/app/major-investigation-and-public-protection/managing-sexual-offenders-and-violent-offenders/travelling-abroad Thank you for this Richard. It's all really frustrating that all this is a clear as mud. The section regarding passport renewals is really interesting and may explain why my passport renewal is taking longer than expected. It also raises the very valid point regarding the purpose of reporting new passport details via a SOR declaration if they already know them. I was also aware of people who were returned to prison for not declaring new bank details to the police - it makes you think that the only reason the reporting procedures are there is to catch people out to lock them up - and not to 'keep people safe' as they claim.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x Re travelling once no longer high risk and never had a green notice issued - on that basis presumably the other country has no knowledge of the offence. Is that right, or is there more I should be thinking of?
We can very strongly presume that yes. Unless there are ad hoc / informal channels involved. Evidence: I entered the USA recently, off register, despite having been green noticed all over the place while on register. That’s really interesting. Are you able to comment on the US visa process? (I appreciate this is at least 9.5 years away for me!) I just said "no" on the "Esta" (Visa waiver online form), to the question about criminal history. This was the truth, as it said something about " ...arrested for a crime that led to injury or destruction of property". A funny qualifier, as a bank robbery may not even do that. You could say it's still a lie in spirit, but then again so is criminal record expiry generally, as it is a deliberate rugsweeping of historical fact. In fact, so is the withholding of green notices. I sailed through like nobody's business. 48 hours after dropping off the register. On the same passport known to the PPU. I went via Ireland, as they do the pre-clearance checks so if it all goes wrong, it goes wrong on Irish soil, and you don't get wrapped in tin foil and made to sleep in a cage with the bandidos. Another advantage is that i'm not Googlable within Europe (e.g. by border guards inside Europe), having invoked the Right to be Forgotten thingy. I also carried a blank criminal record check with me in among a heap of identity documents. (warning: speculation ahead)
I also tend to believe that I would have successfully entered the USA a week earlier while ON the register, IF I had made it an impromptu second port of call (i.e. if all tangible planning for the USA trip had happened while already abroad). But that's a pet theory on this forum, which depends on several factors, and a bit of a digression and speculation. I also half-believe that I would have successfully entered the USA travelling direct from UK while still medium risk on register. But the reason being the general disinterested attitude of the PPU - I just couldn't imagine them scrambling to alert anyone about me. It is not the PPU that make the decision to alert someone. That would be the NCA and unless you were considered high risk they had no reason to issue a green notice. Hello, This is my first post and I am currently trying to work out where I stand. I had a custodial sentence, released early and have recently finished my probation. I know I currently sit at 'medium' risk, this won't be going down anytime soon as, although I do acknowledge wrongdoing on my part my convictions are wrong (long story - don't get me started on that) and as I wont state that I am completely guilty of what is in the paperwork getting the score down is challenging. I would love to travel abroad in the near future (there is a long distance hiking trail somewhere sunny I've always wanted to do), and was interested in the statement that green notices are only issued to people who are 'high risk'. Do we know if this is fact, just experience or assumption? Thanks in advance The guidelines say they have to be issued for very high risk and high risk offenders. Those on medium risk and low risk are judged on a case by case basis. So it is possible you can get a green notice if you are medium risk although less likely. See more here https://www.college.police.uk/app/major-investigation-and-public-protection/managing-sexual-offenders-and-violent-offenders/travelling-abroad
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+x+x+x+x+x+x Re travelling once no longer high risk and never had a green notice issued - on that basis presumably the other country has no knowledge of the offence. Is that right, or is there more I should be thinking of?
We can very strongly presume that yes. Unless there are ad hoc / informal channels involved. Evidence: I entered the USA recently, off register, despite having been green noticed all over the place while on register. That’s really interesting. Are you able to comment on the US visa process? (I appreciate this is at least 9.5 years away for me!) I just said "no" on the "Esta" (Visa waiver online form), to the question about criminal history. This was the truth, as it said something about " ...arrested for a crime that led to injury or destruction of property". A funny qualifier, as a bank robbery may not even do that. You could say it's still a lie in spirit, but then again so is criminal record expiry generally, as it is a deliberate rugsweeping of historical fact. In fact, so is the withholding of green notices. I sailed through like nobody's business. 48 hours after dropping off the register. On the same passport known to the PPU. I went via Ireland, as they do the pre-clearance checks so if it all goes wrong, it goes wrong on Irish soil, and you don't get wrapped in tin foil and made to sleep in a cage with the bandidos. Another advantage is that i'm not Googlable within Europe (e.g. by border guards inside Europe), having invoked the Right to be Forgotten thingy. I also carried a blank criminal record check with me in among a heap of identity documents. (warning: speculation ahead)
I also tend to believe that I would have successfully entered the USA a week earlier while ON the register, IF I had made it an impromptu second port of call (i.e. if all tangible planning for the USA trip had happened while already abroad). But that's a pet theory on this forum, which depends on several factors, and a bit of a digression and speculation. I also half-believe that I would have successfully entered the USA travelling direct from UK while still medium risk on register. But the reason being the general disinterested attitude of the PPU - I just couldn't imagine them scrambling to alert anyone about me. It is not the PPU that make the decision to alert someone. That would be the NCA and unless you were considered high risk they had no reason to issue a green notice. Hello, This is my first post and I am currently trying to work out where I stand. I had a custodial sentence, released early and have recently finished my probation. I know I currently sit at 'medium' risk, this won't be going down anytime soon as, although I do acknowledge wrongdoing on my part my convictions are wrong (long story - don't get me started on that) and as I wont state that I am completely guilty of what is in the paperwork getting the score down is challenging. I would love to travel abroad in the near future (there is a long distance hiking trail somewhere sunny I've always wanted to do), and was interested in the statement that green notices are only issued to people who are 'high risk'. Do we know if this is fact, just experience or assumption? Thanks in advance Hi Others will answer in regard to the green notice I'm sure. I just wanted to say hi and your most welcome. However please do not think you are unique in various elements to your words. You have to try and remember that in the majority of convictions only 2 elements know the real truth; offender and victim. Everyone else is hearing second or third or whatever hand. Also it is the job of the system to be seen as wining ie getting a conviction. The media has a similar objective, but just like Politian's, they have their own agenda of gaining sales/votes. We have no control over their actions so try not to focus on what you cant control. We will talk again I'm sure but please try and focus on getting yourself in a good place first.
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+x+x+x+x+x Re travelling once no longer high risk and never had a green notice issued - on that basis presumably the other country has no knowledge of the offence. Is that right, or is there more I should be thinking of?
We can very strongly presume that yes. Unless there are ad hoc / informal channels involved. Evidence: I entered the USA recently, off register, despite having been green noticed all over the place while on register. That’s really interesting. Are you able to comment on the US visa process? (I appreciate this is at least 9.5 years away for me!) I just said "no" on the "Esta" (Visa waiver online form), to the question about criminal history. This was the truth, as it said something about " ...arrested for a crime that led to injury or destruction of property". A funny qualifier, as a bank robbery may not even do that. You could say it's still a lie in spirit, but then again so is criminal record expiry generally, as it is a deliberate rugsweeping of historical fact. In fact, so is the withholding of green notices. I sailed through like nobody's business. 48 hours after dropping off the register. On the same passport known to the PPU. I went via Ireland, as they do the pre-clearance checks so if it all goes wrong, it goes wrong on Irish soil, and you don't get wrapped in tin foil and made to sleep in a cage with the bandidos. Another advantage is that i'm not Googlable within Europe (e.g. by border guards inside Europe), having invoked the Right to be Forgotten thingy. I also carried a blank criminal record check with me in among a heap of identity documents. (warning: speculation ahead)
I also tend to believe that I would have successfully entered the USA a week earlier while ON the register, IF I had made it an impromptu second port of call (i.e. if all tangible planning for the USA trip had happened while already abroad). But that's a pet theory on this forum, which depends on several factors, and a bit of a digression and speculation. I also half-believe that I would have successfully entered the USA travelling direct from UK while still medium risk on register. But the reason being the general disinterested attitude of the PPU - I just couldn't imagine them scrambling to alert anyone about me. It is not the PPU that make the decision to alert someone. That would be the NCA and unless you were considered high risk they had no reason to issue a green notice. Hello, This is my first post and I am currently trying to work out where I stand. I had a custodial sentence, released early and have recently finished my probation. I know I currently sit at 'medium' risk, this won't be going down anytime soon as, although I do acknowledge wrongdoing on my part my convictions are wrong (long story - don't get me started on that) and as I wont state that I am completely guilty of what is in the paperwork getting the score down is challenging. I would love to travel abroad in the near future (there is a long distance hiking trail somewhere sunny I've always wanted to do), and was interested in the statement that green notices are only issued to people who are 'high risk'. Do we know if this is fact, just experience or assumption? Thanks in advance
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+x+x+x+x+x Re travelling once no longer high risk and never had a green notice issued - on that basis presumably the other country has no knowledge of the offence. Is that right, or is there more I should be thinking of?
We can very strongly presume that yes. Unless there are ad hoc / informal channels involved. Evidence: I entered the USA recently, off register, despite having been green noticed all over the place while on register. That’s really interesting. Are you able to comment on the US visa process? (I appreciate this is at least 9.5 years away for me!) I just said "no" on the "Esta" (Visa waiver online form), to the question about criminal history. This was the truth, as it said something about " ...arrested for a crime that led to injury or destruction of property". A funny qualifier, as a bank robbery may not even do that. You could say it's still a lie in spirit, but then again so is criminal record expiry generally, as it is a deliberate rugsweeping of historical fact. In fact, so is the withholding of green notices. I sailed through like nobody's business. 48 hours after dropping off the register. On the same passport known to the PPU. I went via Ireland, as they do the pre-clearance checks so if it all goes wrong, it goes wrong on Irish soil, and you don't get wrapped in tin foil and made to sleep in a cage with the bandidos. Another advantage is that i'm not Googlable within Europe (e.g. by border guards inside Europe), having invoked the Right to be Forgotten thingy. I also carried a blank criminal record check with me in among a heap of identity documents. (warning: speculation ahead)
I also tend to believe that I would have successfully entered the USA a week earlier while ON the register, IF I had made it an impromptu second port of call (i.e. if all tangible planning for the USA trip had happened while already abroad). But that's a pet theory on this forum, which depends on several factors, and a bit of a digression and speculation. I also half-believe that I would have successfully entered the USA travelling direct from UK while still medium risk on register. But the reason being the general disinterested attitude of the PPU - I just couldn't imagine them scrambling to alert anyone about me. "Do you get the right to be forgotten thing once you come off the shpo ? I'm going to try to get removed after 5 years. How did you get a clean criminal record check as doesn't this show up forever ?"Yes, the moment you have a clean Basic criminal record check (clean, that is, of the convictions and SHPOs resulting from the case mentioned in the media) this gives you a good standing to apply to have your negative press delisted from Google under the Right to be Forgotten (which is some sort of convention I think, which Google abides by in Europe, Bing not so much). Being on the Register does not appear on your Basic criminal record check. A SHPO does, but only until it is lifted. Convictions do appear (obviously) but only if they're not "spent" (they expire after a while on your Basic certificate, like points on a driving license) The Rehabilitation of Offenders Act (including now the Scottish version) ensures that a "basic" check doesn't show "spent" convictions. So my 18 month jail sentence from 2016 is now "spent" since 2022, and my Basic Certificate shows "no arrests or convictions". So I've had a clean criminal record certificate since 2022 even while still on the register. I've never had a SHPO, but I know that it appears on your Basic criminal record, and ceases to the moment it is lifted. Google's actual guidelines -- about whether to delist news stories about you -- probably say nothing about a SHPO -- it's American after all, and they don't assess the nuances of foreign systems. IF you tell them you still have a SHPO, that'll probably be a tiebreaker for them and they'll refuse to delist. So the answer is yes, if your criminal conviction has become spent, and you're off the SHPO also, and consequently have a clean Basic criminal record certificate, this gives you very good default standing to ask Google to delist negative press, in searches connected with your name.Even better news though : in most cases, Google are somewhat unlikely to even ask for evidence. You can just ping Google saying your conviction is spent and say nothing about a SHPO. If it's a plausible claim because the conviction is indeed old, they just ping you 10 hours later saying they took it down. I never sent Google a single photocopy of anything. If on the other hand you're a notorious case and the genie is out of the bottle, they won't bother to help you. So all very discretionary and ambiguous. Something has changed recently -- they used to say "no" by default and ask for evidence, e.g. a scan of documents. Now they tend to delist by default and not ask for evidence, unless there's something weird that gets their attention. I don't know how nasty your particular case may be, but it doesn't sound too bad considering you are expecting to have a clean Basic certificate at some point?
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+x+x+x+x Re travelling once no longer high risk and never had a green notice issued - on that basis presumably the other country has no knowledge of the offence. Is that right, or is there more I should be thinking of?
We can very strongly presume that yes. Unless there are ad hoc / informal channels involved. Evidence: I entered the USA recently, off register, despite having been green noticed all over the place while on register. That’s really interesting. Are you able to comment on the US visa process? (I appreciate this is at least 9.5 years away for me!) I just said "no" on the "Esta" (Visa waiver online form), to the question about criminal history. This was the truth, as it said something about " ...arrested for a crime that led to injury or destruction of property". A funny qualifier, as a bank robbery may not even do that. You could say it's still a lie in spirit, but then again so is criminal record expiry generally, as it is a deliberate rugsweeping of historical fact. In fact, so is the withholding of green notices. I sailed through like nobody's business. 48 hours after dropping off the register. On the same passport known to the PPU. I went via Ireland, as they do the pre-clearance checks so if it all goes wrong, it goes wrong on Irish soil, and you don't get wrapped in tin foil and made to sleep in a cage with the bandidos. Another advantage is that i'm not Googlable within Europe (e.g. by border guards inside Europe), having invoked the Right to be Forgotten thingy. I also carried a blank criminal record check with me in among a heap of identity documents. (warning: speculation ahead)
I also tend to believe that I would have successfully entered the USA a week earlier while ON the register, IF I had made it an impromptu second port of call (i.e. if all tangible planning for the USA trip had happened while already abroad). But that's a pet theory on this forum, which depends on several factors, and a bit of a digression and speculation. I also half-believe that I would have successfully entered the USA travelling direct from UK while still medium risk on register. But the reason being the general disinterested attitude of the PPU - I just couldn't imagine them scrambling to alert anyone about me. It is not the PPU that make the decision to alert someone. That would be the NCA and unless you were considered high risk they had no reason to issue a green notice.
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+x+x+x+x Re travelling once no longer high risk and never had a green notice issued - on that basis presumably the other country has no knowledge of the offence. Is that right, or is there more I should be thinking of?
We can very strongly presume that yes. Unless there are ad hoc / informal channels involved. Evidence: I entered the USA recently, off register, despite having been green noticed all over the place while on register. That’s really interesting. Are you able to comment on the US visa process? (I appreciate this is at least 9.5 years away for me!) I just said "no" on the "Esta" (Visa waiver online form), to the question about criminal history. This was the truth, as it said something about " ...arrested for a crime that led to injury or destruction of property". A funny qualifier, as a bank robbery may not even do that. You could say it's still a lie in spirit, but then again so is criminal record expiry generally, as it is a deliberate rugsweeping of historical fact. In fact, so is the withholding of green notices. I sailed through like nobody's business. 48 hours after dropping off the register. On the same passport known to the PPU. I went via Ireland, as they do the pre-clearance checks so if it all goes wrong, it goes wrong on Irish soil, and you don't get wrapped in tin foil and made to sleep in a cage with the bandidos. Another advantage is that i'm not Googlable within Europe (e.g. by border guards inside Europe), having invoked the Right to be Forgotten thingy. I also carried a blank criminal record check with me in among a heap of identity documents. (warning: speculation ahead)
I also tend to believe that I would have successfully entered the USA a week earlier while ON the register, IF I had made it an impromptu second port of call (i.e. if all tangible planning for the USA trip had happened while already abroad). But that's a pet theory on this forum, which depends on several factors, and a bit of a digression and speculation. I also half-believe that I would have successfully entered the USA travelling direct from UK while still medium risk on register. But the reason being the general disinterested attitude of the PPU - I just couldn't imagine them scrambling to alert anyone about me. Do you get the right to be forgotten thing once you come off the shpo ? I'm going to try to get removed after 5 years. How did you get a clean criminal record check as doesn't this show up forever ?
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+x+x+x Re travelling once no longer high risk and never had a green notice issued - on that basis presumably the other country has no knowledge of the offence. Is that right, or is there more I should be thinking of?
We can very strongly presume that yes. Unless there are ad hoc / informal channels involved. Evidence: I entered the USA recently, off register, despite having been green noticed all over the place while on register. That’s really interesting. Are you able to comment on the US visa process? (I appreciate this is at least 9.5 years away for me!) I just said "no" on the "Esta" (Visa waiver online form), to the question about criminal history. This was the truth, as it said something about " ...arrested for a crime that led to injury or destruction of property". A funny qualifier, as a bank robbery may not even do that. You could say it's still a lie in spirit, but then again so is criminal record expiry generally, as it is a deliberate rugsweeping of historical fact. In fact, so is the withholding of green notices. I sailed through like nobody's business. 48 hours after dropping off the register. On the same passport known to the PPU. I went via Ireland, as they do the pre-clearance checks so if it all goes wrong, it goes wrong on Irish soil, and you don't get wrapped in tin foil and made to sleep in a cage with the bandidos. Another advantage is that i'm not Googlable within Europe (e.g. by border guards inside Europe), having invoked the Right to be Forgotten thingy. I also carried a blank criminal record check with me in among a heap of identity documents. (warning: speculation ahead)
I also tend to believe that I would have successfully entered the USA a week earlier while ON the register, IF I had made it an impromptu second port of call (i.e. if all tangible planning for the USA trip had happened while already abroad). But that's a pet theory on this forum, which depends on several factors, and a bit of a digression and speculation. I also half-believe that I would have successfully entered the USA travelling direct from UK while still medium risk on register. But the reason being the general disinterested attitude of the PPU - I just couldn't imagine them scrambling to alert anyone about me.
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I think the whole point of the decision being made by someone who doesn't know you is that they don't know you, so they can't be swayed either way. Your local officer might be hostile, and might even hate everyone on the SOR as a matter of principle. Any officer who thinks that you're trustworthy might well be seen as having been manipulated. You can't win, so it's probably better to have someone else look at the paperwork and make their decision without any personal knowledge of you.
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The most up-to-date 'Section 172' country list that punter99 references above can be found here: List of countries under section 172 of the Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act 2022 (accessible) (June 2026) - GOV.UKOur understanding is that notification of travel to any country on the above list for anybody subject to notification requirements should result in an Interpol Green Notice being requested, regardless of the individual's risk level. However, anecdotally, we have heard from some individuals who have travelled to some of these countries without issue, having made the appropriate notification. Our advice however would remain that it would be very risky for anybody subject to notification requirements to travel to a Section 172 country. From our experience, if a S.172 country does receive an Interpol notification, they will generally refuse entry and you will be returned (at your own expense) to the UK. Our understanding is also that the police are expected to issue a Green Notice for anybody they consider to pose a High/Very High Risk of Serious Harm (ROSH) when they notify travel to any country. This could result in refusal of entry in other countries too, although our experience is that refusal of entry altogether is extremely rare in most European (aside from as previously mentioned, Cyprus) countries. This specific risk level (ROSH) does not always align with what individuals might think or have been previously told, or what a Judge might say in court, by the way, which is worth bearing in mind. Almost all people subject to notification requirements will, at some stage, be assessed as posing a High risk, but most will find that risk reduces over time. If an individual has a copy of their most recent 'OASys Assessment', they will be able to find their ROSH risk levels there. ROSH scores have different categories - Risk to Children, Risk to Public, Risk to Known Adult, Risk to CJS Staff, and for people in prison, Risk to other Prisoners. Decision-makers are instructed to consider notification on a case-by-case basis for offenders managed as Low/Medium ROSH. Again, as others have mentioned, the local officers only perform a risk assessment in relation to the travel arrangements and check the notification requirements have been complied with - they do not make the final determination about whether an Interpol Green Notice is in fact issued, although it might be fair to assume they probably make a 'recommendation'. The actual notification is done by a small team at HQ at the NCA in Manchester, who are 'Interpol Liaison Officers'. NCB Manchester is responsible for the international exchange of intelligence to and from the UK. This includes the notification of managed offender travel and the publication of INTERPOL circulations (notices and diffusions) on behalf of UK law enforcement.
Notification of offender travel When a subject reports international travel, a targeted notification via INTERPOL to the country/countries being visited should be completed for all very high and high risk managed offenders in advance of travel. Offender managers are to consider on a case by case basis whether notification of international travel is appropriate for offenders managed as medium or low risk with considerations such as destination country, likelihood for onward travel, and previous travel patterns.
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