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new job offer - not been asked about convictions... yet...


new job offer - not been asked about convictions... yet...

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Hi js and welcome,

Unless your role is working with vulnerable adults or children or is on the list of exempted professions you should only be asked about unspent convictions which is a basic check which does not involve the DBS but Disclosure Scotland. You'll be ok in April. So you can either lie if asked and hope they don't check (they need your signature to consent to a basic check so you'd know if they are going to) or drag it out until April. You could fill out a form with wrong information. If you conviction is discovered the offer is likely to be withdrawn. The usual excuse is risk (without asking about how the conviction happened). I have been rejected for a role 2.5 weeks before mine is spent as I knew they'd check.
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i know what i would do but i cannot advise you to do something you are not supposed to do. Smile
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oh no, you dont do you!

no wonder the general public hate us all.
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i dont really see the embarrassment side of it.

in the past i have filled out the forms kept quiet and seen it as their problem.

it is their decision and their problem.
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i often find the organisations who always want crbs tend to pay crap money anyway.

tony i am a contractor to the construction industry self employed though but i have survived a few returned crbs, i just explain to them that i was in the past and more often than not i have already started the contract by the time they find out so they actually know me fairly well by that point. plus they will lose time by sacking me and finding a replacement.

i have even had one of the managers laugh at my record once. they arent that bothered in my industry to be honest.
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but you do not have to declare spent convictions anyway so why would you?
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My convictions becomes spent march 10th after 26 years :-)

I have been working as a professional consultant in Investment banking, government (MOD/FCO) and the Media for nearly 20 years. I have only once supplied proof via a disclosure and this was ok. I NEVER ever declare an unspent conviction.

If you do you will 98% of the time NOT get the job..

this is how I have progressed in my career. Saying this Banking now require a basic disclosure and most other organisations do as well so this will help me. But in the past I have always steered clear of organisations who request this crap.
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I work in the private security industry. I have a SIA licence. During the application process for this you have to undergo a standard disclosure check. I have one minor conviction for which I got a fine, however as I live in Scotland I don't benefit from the recent changes. I always disclose because I like to be up front about everything when I apply for a job so that there are no surprises later on. I make a point of mentioning it on application forms at the first opportunity. I have only had one offer withdrawn after disclosing my conviction. I have worked for a number of security companies including a couple of large international companies and my unspent conviction has never been a problem. It's a matter of personal choice but I think you should be honest and explain the circumstances if asked.
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Also to remember any company running a dbs check everything will show up spent or unspent convictions, even conditional discharges and cautions will show up. When your time has become spent you do not need to disclose obviously.... but when that dbs check comes up everything pops right up.

So nothing really gets spent or deleted with a dbs standard or enhanced check, and sadly UK employees will continue to break the law and decline anyone with a criminal record due to fear and not "risking" it for the company in case its part of Great Britain's attitude to cover their backsides first.... course you can disclose and depending on your offence and crime and job your applying for you may just get passed it all. Otherwise its live the lie which is the only thing you can do to support yourself and put bread on the table.

Moving abroad where less illegal checks occur or going self employed or working for family/friends or sticking to low level jobs ie in tescos where such checks don't take place much are the only options.

Having said tescos they too ask for criminal convictions on the app form, not sure if they would check it though fully...

As for taking a job and then bailing on the company.... just do it I once did not bother to turn up the next day and sent a letter saying I found another job. Not like I am going to see or speak to them again and if they are asking for a dbs check which imo is an illegal act itself due to privacy invasion and more so if its for a job position that is not deemed suitable for a dbs check then why bother with that company!

Goodluck with the job and hopefully its a job role that does not require a dbs check or basic check...
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