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+x+x+xWhen our convictions are Spent, do we have to disclose our conviction on applying for a visa? They often ask " Have you ever been convicted of....?" In the Uk we can say no, but when applying for visas, how do other countries view our "pardon"? The new Shenghen visa application which comes into force in 2024 will not ask about convictions over 10 years old. Is this correct? Convictions from UK courts are only spent under the law in the various parts of the UK. That law doesn't apply anywhere else. Having said that, many countries would only want to see a police certificate for a full visa. For a travel authorisation, they would probably just ask the disclosure question(s) and rely on your honesty. The exception would be the USA from 2027, as the Enhanced Border Security Partnership agreement means they should have access to the UK's biometric information database. If your fingerprints generate a hit on their system, they will probably assume that you had been arrested at some point and will require a visa or proof of no criminal record. In terms of the EU system, ETIAS, that is another travel authorisation system, so they will ask you politely to disclose, but if you don't disclose, then if they have nothing on their databases they will issue an authorisation. All Schengen system alerts added by the UK were deleted by the time UK left the EU. Disclosure would only be required for a full Schengen visa for convictions in specified categories of offence in the previous 15 years. After 15 years, you wouldn't have to disclose. Credit to tedstriker for finding so much of this information and posting it on this forum. So when I am ready to visit a Shenghen country, I really should be honest, as they would surely have links to the UK database? Thank you for giving this some clarity. I am sure it will be asked many times, and maybe UNLOCK can have a comprehensive guide for all ? As far as I'm aware, they have lost those links, so they have to make a formal application for any information they want. I think Unlock's guidance is comprehensive for the countries they include, but I doubt they will ever include every country in the world.
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If you are to punish a man retributively you must injure him. If you are to reform him you must improve him. And men are not improved by injuries. (George Bernard Shaw)
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Harry
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+x+xWhen our convictions are Spent, do we have to disclose our conviction on applying for a visa? They often ask " Have you ever been convicted of....?" In the Uk we can say no, but when applying for visas, how do other countries view our "pardon"? The new Shenghen visa application which comes into force in 2024 will not ask about convictions over 10 years old. Is this correct? Convictions from UK courts are only spent under the law in the various parts of the UK. That law doesn't apply anywhere else. Having said that, many countries would only want to see a police certificate for a full visa. For a travel authorisation, they would probably just ask the disclosure question(s) and rely on your honesty. The exception would be the USA from 2027, as the Enhanced Border Security Partnership agreement means they should have access to the UK's biometric information database. If your fingerprints generate a hit on their system, they will probably assume that you had been arrested at some point and will require a visa or proof of no criminal record. In terms of the EU system, ETIAS, that is another travel authorisation system, so they will ask you politely to disclose, but if you don't disclose, then if they have nothing on their databases they will issue an authorisation. All Schengen system alerts added by the UK were deleted by the time UK left the EU. Disclosure would only be required for a full Schengen visa for convictions in specified categories of offence in the previous 15 years. After 15 years, you wouldn't have to disclose. Credit to tedstriker for finding so much of this information and posting it on this forum. So when I am ready to visit a Shenghen country, I really should be honest, as they would surely have links to the UK database? Thank you for giving this some clarity. I am sure it will be asked many times, and maybe UNLOCK can have a comprehensive guide for all ?
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+xWhen our convictions are Spent, do we have to disclose our conviction on applying for a visa? They often ask " Have you ever been convicted of....?" In the Uk we can say no, but when applying for visas, how do other countries view our "pardon"? The new Shenghen visa application which comes into force in 2024 will not ask about convictions over 10 years old. Is this correct? Convictions from UK courts are only spent under the law in the various parts of the UK. That law doesn't apply anywhere else. Having said that, many countries would only want to see a police certificate for a full visa. For a travel authorisation, they would probably just ask the disclosure question(s) and rely on your honesty. The exception would be the USA from 2027, as the Enhanced Border Security Partnership agreement means they should have access to the UK's biometric information database. If your fingerprints generate a hit on their system, they will probably assume that you had been arrested at some point and will require a visa or proof of no criminal record. In terms of the EU system, ETIAS, that is another travel authorisation system, so they will ask you politely to disclose, but if you don't disclose, then if they have nothing on their databases they will issue an authorisation. All Schengen system alerts added by the UK were deleted by the time UK left the EU. Disclosure would only be required for a full Schengen visa for convictions in specified categories of offence in the previous 15 years. After 15 years, you wouldn't have to disclose. Credit to tedstriker for finding so much of this information and posting it on this forum.
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If you are to punish a man retributively you must injure him. If you are to reform him you must improve him. And men are not improved by injuries. (George Bernard Shaw)
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Harry
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When our convictions are Spent, do we have to disclose our conviction on applying for a visa? They often ask " Have you ever been convicted of....?" In the Uk we can say no, but when applying for visas, how do other countries view our "pardon"?
The new Shenghen visa application which comes into force in 2024 will not ask about convictions over 10 years old. Is this correct?
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+x+xI have just been to Greece and I was stopped on entry at passport control and told to stand to one side. After about 5 minutes the officer came out of his booth and asked in front of and within earshot of other travellers if I had "had some trouble with the Police". I asked to be able to talk somewhere more discreetly and told him I was on SOR (at least I soon won' t be anymore thankfully). I felt very uncomfortable telling him anything not knowing what he knew about me and why I was being asked this and what the effect my answer would have. I was subsequently asked to provide evidence of all my booking details, boarding pass, where I was staying etc and this was taken away, photocopied and returned to me. All this took 30 -40 minutes and I was warned I would be stopped again when I left the country, and worrying about that certainly made me enjoy my holiday less. He also explained that since April 6th this was a new procedure in Greece applying Schengen area rules. I missed my transfer to the hotel and had to get a 20 euro taxi and make up an excuse to the travel rep as to why I was late. On leaving Greece I was stopped again at passport control holding up a lot of people in the queue behind me while the officer got on the phone to someone for about 5 minutes and then photographed my passport and boarding pass without saying or explaining anything to me while I just waited nervously and embarrassed. God know what the ppl behind me thought. I intend to travel elsewhere in Schengen area this year so I am anxious as to what it is going to be like when I arrive and depart and how I can be better prepared / informed. For starters I'll be taking copies of all holiday documents to give them so I don't have to wait for them to be photocopied. I gather from reading the part of the forum that I can access that there might be something called a Schengen notice or green flag / notice on my passport, but I am not clear what this means in terms of who put this on my passport and what info it gives. I'm worried how the information will be used in future, if it'll be stored, shared among Schengen countries etc, I'm also worried they could create their own 'flag' on me after my time on SOR ends. BTW will the flag/notice automatically be removed when my term on the SOR ends or do I have to take some action myself to get it removed? I went to Athens last year and also got taken away the the police office. I waited ages as they got on the phone to try and establish what they should do with me. Luckily all was well and my taxi driver waited. Not a comfortable experience though. 2 years ago I got stopped at malaga whilst travelling with my best lady friend, who knows nothing about my past. It was stressful and I told her I had no idea why they delayed my entry. On leaving Spain (alone) I again got held up with lots of questions. I have 3 years to go on my SOR and cannot wait. As I mainly travel to Asia I am ok travelling as I avoid Europe, but in the future I might holiday in non EU countries. There are quite a few, if things get tricky. From what you have said previously, about going to the Phillipines and then New Zealand and being turned away, I wonder if you have an interpol green notice against your name? The Schengen system hasn't changed and if anything it has become easier for UK citizens to travel to Europe because there are no Schengen alerts anymore.
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+xI have just been to Greece and I was stopped on entry at passport control and told to stand to one side. After about 5 minutes the officer came out of his booth and asked in front of and within earshot of other travellers if I had "had some trouble with the Police". I asked to be able to talk somewhere more discreetly and told him I was on SOR (at least I soon won' t be anymore thankfully). I felt very uncomfortable telling him anything not knowing what he knew about me and why I was being asked this and what the effect my answer would have. I was subsequently asked to provide evidence of all my booking details, boarding pass, where I was staying etc and this was taken away, photocopied and returned to me. All this took 30 -40 minutes and I was warned I would be stopped again when I left the country, and worrying about that certainly made me enjoy my holiday less. He also explained that since April 6th this was a new procedure in Greece applying Schengen area rules. I missed my transfer to the hotel and had to get a 20 euro taxi and make up an excuse to the travel rep as to why I was late. On leaving Greece I was stopped again at passport control holding up a lot of people in the queue behind me while the officer got on the phone to someone for about 5 minutes and then photographed my passport and boarding pass without saying or explaining anything to me while I just waited nervously and embarrassed. God know what the ppl behind me thought. I intend to travel elsewhere in Schengen area this year so I am anxious as to what it is going to be like when I arrive and depart and how I can be better prepared / informed. For starters I'll be taking copies of all holiday documents to give them so I don't have to wait for them to be photocopied. I gather from reading the part of the forum that I can access that there might be something called a Schengen notice or green flag / notice on my passport, but I am not clear what this means in terms of who put this on my passport and what info it gives. I'm worried how the information will be used in future, if it'll be stored, shared among Schengen countries etc, I'm also worried they could create their own 'flag' on me after my time on SOR ends. BTW will the flag/notice automatically be removed when my term on the SOR ends or do I have to take some action myself to get it removed? I went to Athens last year and also got taken away the the police office. I waited ages as they got on the phone to try and establish what they should do with me. Luckily all was well and my taxi driver waited. Not a comfortable experience though. 2 years ago I got stopped at malaga whilst travelling with my best lady friend, who knows nothing about my past. It was stressful and I told her I had no idea why they delayed my entry. On leaving Spain (alone) I again got held up with lots of questions. I have 3 years to go on my SOR and cannot wait. As I mainly travel to Asia I am ok travelling as I avoid Europe, but in the future I might holiday in non EU countries. There are quite a few, if things get tricky.
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I read recently that the new visa we have to buy for Schengen countries will be asking about criminal records. Does Unlock have more information about this recent announcement?
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+x+xI have just been to Greece and I was stopped on entry at passport control and told to stand to one side. After about 5 minutes the officer came out of his booth and asked in front of and within earshot of other travellers if I had "had some trouble with the Police". I asked to be able to talk somewhere more discreetly and told him I was on SOR (at least I soon won' t be anymore thankfully). I felt very uncomfortable telling him anything not knowing what he knew about me and why I was being asked this and what the effect my answer would have. I was subsequently asked to provide evidence of all my booking details, boarding pass, where I was staying etc and this was taken away, photocopied and returned to me. All this took 30 -40 minutes and I was warned I would be stopped again when I left the country, and worrying about that certainly made me enjoy my holiday less. He also explained that since April 6th this was a new procedure in Greece applying Schengen area rules. I missed my transfer to the hotel and had to get a 20 euro taxi and make up an excuse to the travel rep as to why I was late. On leaving Greece I was stopped again at passport control holding up a lot of people in the queue behind me while the officer got on the phone to someone for about 5 minutes and then photographed my passport and boarding pass without saying or explaining anything to me while I just waited nervously and embarrassed. God know what the ppl behind me thought. I intend to travel elsewhere in Schengen area this year so I am anxious as to what it is going to be like when I arrive and depart and how I can be better prepared / informed. For starters I'll be taking copies of all holiday documents to give them so I don't have to wait for them to be photocopied. I gather from reading the part of the forum that I can access that there might be something called a Schengen notice or green flag / notice on my passport, but I am not clear what this means in terms of who put this on my passport and what info it gives. I'm worried how the information will be used in future, if it'll be stored, shared among Schengen countries etc, I'm also worried they could create their own 'flag' on me after my time on SOR ends. BTW will the flag/notice automatically be removed when my term on the SOR ends or do I have to take some action myself to get it removed? Don't worry too much about this. The Schengen system has not changed. When you notify and travel, an alert is placed against your name/passport on the Schengen information system (SISII). When you enter a schengen zone country and they swipe your passport, it does an online check and will flag up to the border guard. If the border guard has seen a similar alert. he/she will take a couple of minutes to check where you are going and who you are travelling with. If he/she hasn't seen such an alert, they will take a few more minutes reading all the instructions on their screen. Note that this is an alert for a 'Discreet Check'. It does not deny you entry and it does not have any details about your offence. In many of the southern European countries, especially during busy holiday periods, passports are often given a cursory glance and not scanned. Even when they are scanned, the don't always have the full online checks 'turned on'. I suspect what has happened in Greece is that their immigration authorities have now made it mandatory for their border to run the full SISII checks. Of course, many of the guards are now seeing these for the first time - they are meant to discretely check where you are travelling to/from and with whom. Taking photocopies happens sometimes, but not usually. The alert can be seen by all schengen countries but, as I said, it is an alert for a 'discreet check' and has no other information about you or your offence. It's a joke of a system as it is never discreet! These alerts are time stamped and expire. Once you are off the SOR, they will not be visible on SISII any more - you do not need to do anything, although can always ask your PPU to confirm they have removed them all. SISII will have the alert information in its archived records for x years, but they cannot be accessed online during normal immigration work and there are tight controls about access to historical records. I am happy to see your reply about once my 10 SOR finishes it will not sauce a problem, only on a visa elsewhere when they ask "Have you ever had a conviction or been refused entry?". That is a big problem. Do you admit to it or say nothing hoping they have no means of checking? I want to go back to China and India, but I would be scared to lie.
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+x+x+xdoes anyone know if border controls in the EU have direct access to the uk police database? I am talking about minor offences in this case. They don't. We are not in the EU, so if they want information they have to request it on the proper paperwork. It's holiday season! Has anyone with recent experience of border checks to European destinations or elsewhere to share? With particular reference to current or former individuals subject to SO notification? I emphasise 'recent' and 'experience ' rather than opinion. Thanks all Since you've replied to my post, I can only think that you see it as opinion rather than fact. No, I haven't travelled to the EU since I was convicted, as I'm still on the SOR. However, I pay close attention to threads like this one, and the only problem I've seen appeared to be caused by the police failing to get an alert deleted. Beyond that, it is a fact that the EU does not have access to the PNC since Brexit. They have to request information through the proper channels and they have to justify that request, just like any other foreign jurisdiction would have to do.
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If you are to punish a man retributively you must injure him. If you are to reform him you must improve him. And men are not improved by injuries. (George Bernard Shaw)
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+x+xdoes anyone know if border controls in the EU have direct access to the uk police database? I am talking about minor offences in this case. They don't. We are not in the EU, so if they want information they have to request it on the proper paperwork. It's holiday season! Has anyone with recent experience of border checks to European destinations or elsewhere to share? With particular reference to current or former individuals subject to SO notification? I emphasise 'recent' and 'experience ' rather than opinion. Thanks all
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