I received a reply saying that my offence would not stop me from applying, but that it would probably raise 'a few flags'. They acknowleged that every case is different and I already know there is going to be a risk assessment done for anybody who is successful. I probably will apply, like you say, to get the experience and then see what happens.

That's massively helpful, thanks. I can talk about stuff out loud but I usually end up missing out all the buzzwords and underselling myself on applications, so this link is helpful.
I think I will go for it for the experience if nothing else, I think it's too far out of my reach, but nothing to lose as such.
Are you not tempted? You seem to have your head screwed on better than I do haha.

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No reply so far. If you are thinking about applying, this will help with the questions.

https://www.interviewgold.com/advice/competency-based-interview-questions-and-answers/

Did you get a reply, punter?

Ten days left before deadline. I'd imagine coming in cold from the outside to take a lead role is probably a leap too far, it's tricky to have an 'excellent understanding of services' when you're not on the inside of that bubble. I've not given up on the idea yet but I'm fully aware I have more barriers than others with 'probation experience'.

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Hi

Not doubting your reply, my memory could be ajar on dates as even after my meeting stopped, I talked to my PO about getting his comments for roles I applied for just to be safe. I knew Brighton would speak to him hence another reason talking to him.
I agree on final suggestion though but only being part of reason though.

Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope is for tomorrow else what is left if you remove a mans hope.

Probation are quite clear that if you are reporting to probation, they will not employ you, or even let you attend meetings with them on behalf of another organisation. This happened to a guy I was chatting with in reception once while waiting for my appointment, and cost him a job. All this other stuff about whose fault it was sounds like people who don't know what happened trying to say why it wasn't their fault.

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If you are to punish a man retributively you must injure him. If you are to reform him you must improve him. And men are not improved by injuries. (George Bernard Shaw)

Hi

Whilst on probation I applied for a role in the Brighton PO, back office no client contact. They loved my CV, skills, experience and manner when I had a telephone interview and I even disclosed.

I was asked to attend an interview. When I contacted the day prior to the interview to ensure everything was still OK they told me it had been cancelled due to my have a SO. They even said they had spoke to my PO for his feedback. My PO said his feedback was positive so thought it was due to the clients attending that office. When I reminded him, that it was a non-client facing role he just said talk to them.
On talking to the Brighton office about was it the clients scenario that stop my progress they said it was my PO. When I said the role was non-facing, they just said the joint decision was the risk of meeting them outside the office. The fact attendees to that office would be adults I struggle to understand their real reasons without being syncial.

Good luck to anyone who applies though. 



Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope is for tomorrow else what is left if you remove a mans hope.

I've just followed a link to HMIP from Christopher Stacey's Twitter and ended up here. It has a link to the full job description, etc., and also has contact details if you want to talk about the post.

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If you are to punish a man retributively you must injure him. If you are to reform him you must improve him. And men are not improved by injuries. (George Bernard Shaw)

Hi

as of just now there are 2 jobs listed but listed in Apr and Nov 2019.
One is for an intern so that eliminates a lot of readers. 
I tired to call the SE office to ask if SO would be consider but they keep cutting the call off?

I called the Midlands number shown and told it is an incorrect number.
I haven't bothered with the rest as I would suggest as with the vacancies, the website is out of date



Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope is for tomorrow else what is left if you remove a mans hope.

One thing that might count against an application is still reporting to probation, as they would probably see that as a conflict of interest. Oh well, no job for me then.

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Cheers - i'm having a look at that....

There are other similar jobs for ex-offenders, here as well.

http://www.uservoice.org/get-involved/vacancies/

Agree. Odds are stacked against, but no harm in trying. If we can use our experience along with the skills we have, then why shouldn't we be given a shot?

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People on here will know, when an employer says they welcome applications from people with convictions, what they usually mean is, anyone with convictions for a non-sexual offence. So I don't blame others for their cynicism. But you cannot filter jobs when they don't give you enugh information.

Nowhere in this particular job description does it say sexual offenders cannot apply. What they say is that they want people with lived experience of being on probation and a criminal conviction won't stop you from being considered, but if successful, you will have to pass a specially designed risk assessment. It isn't clear whether or not sexual offenders, as a group, would be considered too risky and ruled out, or if the assessment would consider that person's risk, as an individual. But what is clear is that they want people with criminal records to apply, because those people have relevant experience.

Because of the way that the application process works, I would expect most offenders will fall at the first hurdle. They will lack the literacy skills required to make a convincing case for themselves, in writing. The job is most likely to go to someone well educated, with a professional background, who has committed a white collar crime, like fraud, rather than to your 'typical' (for want of a better word) offender, who has no academic qualifications, but who does have a lot of life experience, having been in trouble with the law, since their early teens.

Not to be too cynical about it myself, but you know who would make a perfect candidate for the job? It would be someone like US serial killer, Ted Bundy. The key skill required for this particular role, apart from a conviction, is that of communication and Bundy was a great communicator; charming, very engaging, persuasive and good at speaking to people from all levels. Too bad, he was also a psychopath.

"the other where the employer is aware that the applicants have a sex offence but willing to really i.e. truthly, consider them"

Don't hold your breath buddy

Good thinking, can you keep us posted on what they say to you, punter?

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Hi
Debs,

I fully support your commitment to helping EX offenders but even with all my years in HR I would not gain me an advantage for this role because of my 1 offence.

Could I possibly suggest that roles are filtered when advertising into a minimum of 2 categories; one for "non Sex offence" applicants and the other where the employer is aware that the applicants have a sex offence but willing to really i.e. truthly, consider them. This could enable you to maintain stats on the discriminatory action against EX sex offenders. 

As i often state 2000 applications including my being "headhunted" by agencies and employers directly, and on declaration rejection. 

I am not being pessimistic just realistic as someone with the SO label has to be.

Please do keep up the great work you and your colleagues do on behalf of us.



Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope is for tomorrow else what is left if you remove a mans hope.

It's a fascinating job role, considering that having a criminal record actually gives you an advantage in the selection process. I was interested to see them say that you have to give employment history for the last 3 years so they can do checks. Speaking as someone who lost their job, because of their conviction, I wonder what extra information those checks are supposed to reveal, given that they already know the candidate is a convicted criminal.

The other thing is that part of the job involves visiting Youth Services and so coming into contact with under 18s. I wonder if that precludes sex offenders from applying, when all other offenders would be acceptable?  Anyway, I've emailed them for clarification.

Hi All

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Service user engagement lead
£30,989 - £41,095
(Two year loan/secondment/fixed term contract)
Closing date - 21st August 2020

HM Inspectorate of Probation are looking for a Service User Engagement Lead who can help get the views of service users embedded into their work. Ideally they are looking for someone with personal experience of probation and/or youth justice as a service user.

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