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+x+xIt was quite a while ago for me, but when I was convicted the police told me I had to tell my employers or they would (even though the job I was in the product/service could only be given to adults and the company could only employ adults). I was lucky nothing ever got promoted but I would have lost my job. I just told the police that I had informed my employers and hoped they would be too lazy to check. Luckily for me they were too lazy to check. in my case (a while ago too) on my first home visit (few days after the sentence), they said to me that I didn't need to tell my employer. I never felt more relieved. Also, they never checked my devices Luckily I managed to get my indefinite Sopo removed 9 years ago next week. Before then they did all they could to trip me up, including costing me a different job and I believe trying to arrest me for something (I don't know what) made up an hour or so after my Sopo was removed by the judge. They didn't as I was on my way to the airport. But I don't think they ever really want rehabilitation, just to keep you in a box.
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+xIt was quite a while ago for me, but when I was convicted the police told me I had to tell my employers or they would (even though the job I was in the product/service could only be given to adults and the company could only employ adults). I was lucky nothing ever got promoted but I would have lost my job. I just told the police that I had informed my employers and hoped they would be too lazy to check. Luckily for me they were too lazy to check. in my case (a while ago too) on my first home visit (few days after the sentence), they said to me that I didn't need to tell my employer. I never felt more relieved. Also, they never checked my devices
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It was quite a while ago for me, but when I was convicted the police told me I had to tell my employers or they would (even though the job I was in the product/service could only be given to adults and the company could only employ adults).
I was lucky nothing ever got promoted but I would have lost my job. I just told the police that I had informed my employers and hoped they would be too lazy to check. Luckily for me they were too lazy to check.
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Evan Davis
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Images are (nowadays) quite often released of offenders, and to my knowledge the release of such images isn't limited only to sentences of 12 months or more. There is some guidance available to police officers via the college of policing website around the release of custody images, officer BWVC, etc: https://www.college.police.uk/app/engagement-and-communication/media-relationsGenerally, my feeling would be that if the media report on a case, they are likely to make a request to the Police for release of the custody image at least - should there be no media interest in the case, the police wouldn't be likely to "self-publish" - although with the prevalence of police forces having "social media teams" and running their own form of media nowadays, I wouldn't rule this out completely.
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kraken
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Ive just read that they can but its usualy reserved for murder, 12months or more custodial sentence or or public intrest safety/investigation.
Also looked on the local police FB and they seem to have only shown the above. This gives me a little hope in that respect now, just for the media if they are to post anything.
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Unless you are given a custodial sentence, I do not think Police are allowed to release mug shots.
Except for when someone is known and wanted for questioning.
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kraken
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To be honest i didnt even think about police giving out the mugshot, I thought they got them from when the police had posted the pic.
Regards Kraken
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+xSomething i have done myself. Removed all pics and social media, any pics left on FB are old on friends/family pages, Also removed my LinkedIn profile also. Mostly to try protect my family Regards Kraken Hi Re pictures quite often the obvious place but sometimes forgotten is the Court House and the Police (note they have given mug shots to the press). Whenever I went to the Court House I got there early and tried to see if I could spot a photo guy. I did and so approached from behind them therefore keeping my back to them. On leaving I did not rush out of the Court House but went for a cuppa. Then when leaving I again looked remembering if there is not a big case they don't hang about for long. Other small but important point, I went dressed in a suit and carried a case. this gave the impression I was not a shy offender. My photo has never appeared in the papers or media as the above worked and the Police did not provide a picture. Re work, I think your offence is "images" but whatever it is you have a hard decision. In my case I didn't tell anyone until I went for sentencing and so managed to work for an extra 2 years. Even to this date I only tell those that are required to know. However for work and having over 2000 applications unsuccessfully all I can say is be honest and selfish to yourself. By this I mean do what you feel is right by you as long as you do not hurt anyone else as your life and future prospects has changed and you must adjust. Good luck with your decision knowing that "the hardest decision is generally the right decision".
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kraken
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Something i have done myself. Removed all pics and social media, any pics left on FB are old on friends/family pages, Also removed my LinkedIn profile also.
Mostly to try protect my family
Regards Kraken
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Local journalists do not always go into the court. They can get their information from the court listings, so even if you do not see them, does not mean it will not show up in the local news.
The papers are not much problem, because they are only out for one day. It is the local news websites and possibly the local police website who might publish your details. Once its on those sites, it can hang around for weeks or even months, which increases the possibility that your work colleagues will find out.
Delete all your social media accounts as well.
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xDanx
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+xThanks folks I didn't have to do a DBS so that part isn't an issue. I work in a different town to where I live so it might not reach the local paper, but I have a public facing job so the company I think wouldn't want the risk I'm guessing. Will there only be publicity after the sentencing? Or at the first hearing? It's a fair low level of IIOC but it's possible it may make the paper. I'm torn between telling them and not, I think either way I'd lose my job. But do I try and get a few more weeks/months employment under my belt? It's hard not knowing what to do Knowing me I will probably tell them once the sentencing has happened There is just no way of knowing I'm afraid, First hearing is usually magistrates where they expect you to make your plea. Plead guilty, it goes straight to crown, not guilty it goes to trial. I some how managed to avoid any media attention at the time of my Magistrates hearing, but I do read some do get published at this stage. It just depends on who is around at that time. If you wish to try and avoid any media perhaps remain there for 30 minutes before leaving. The fact you work in a different town may benefit you, it ultimately depends how far that town is from home. I only told those who are closer to me before I had any court hearing, those I worked with I told closer to the time of being sentenced. Of course after the media attention they no longer wanted anything to do with me. But I had not known them that long to begin with, so it may be different for yourself depending how well you get with boss and other workmates. Perhaps for now, do not tell them until you have had a good think about it and how they might react. Or maybe explain you are due in court, but can not go into details about the case right now.
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Castiel
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Thanks folks I didn't have to do a DBS so that part isn't an issue. I work in a different town to where I live so it might not reach the local paper, but I have a public facing job so the company I think wouldn't want the risk I'm guessing. Will there only be publicity after the sentencing? Or at the first hearing? It's a fair low level of IIOC but it's possible it may make the paper. I'm torn between telling them and not, I think either way I'd lose my job. But do I try and get a few more weeks/months employment under my belt? It's hard not knowing what to do Knowing me I will probably tell them once the sentencing has happened
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Not to worry you, but the harsh reality is. Given how the media like to witch hunt particular kinds of cases, your employers will eventually find out should the media publish it. I applied for a training course local to me, denied me joining because they avoid doing DBS checks in favor of Googling names to find articles.
So the tormenting question is, do you tell employers before the hearing, or after? If you have a strong friendship, or workmanship with your employer and other workmates. It might be worth telling them your side of things before they potentially read about it from the media, where many of the media outlets can throw there own spin on things for the clicks. If there is a good ethic with them, they may respect the fact you told them first hand. But there is still always that worry they will end your employment, depending on how the media publish the case. Some employers will just terminate to avoid getting any bad publicity, but there are a rare few who will work around any conviction. It ultimately depends on what your role is with in the company and the offense.
The general rule with DBS checks still applies though, even after conviction. If you are not asked for convictions and do not have to under go any DBS checks, you do not have to disclose. Although Police still like to interfere and make you believe you do, or they may see fit to disclose themselves. Either way, it is a risk you will have to take which ever way you decide to do so.
Also on one other note, as it does also potentially involve disclosures. If you end up getting a SHPO, and if you attend a gym or wish to attend a gym in future. Make sure to question any restrictions you are given, Police also like to do there very best to limit everything you can do, including going to a gym and will enforce disclosure to gyms. So make sure while in court to question this and any other activities you engage in that do not ultimately breach the SHPO.
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+xHi Castiel. I believe telling your employer depends on the work you do and if it states in your contract that your to update on any convictions. I had stopitnow adviser say i should read mine to see if i need to let them know about the investigation, ive not read it nor am i going to say anything just yet as there is no conviction right now. After i will loose my job and i dont jnow what im going to do then. Would also depend if you ever had a DBS check done and if they renew them at all during your employment. All the best Kraken As kraken said, if either your contract or the employer's policy says that you must tell them if you get a conviction, then you should tell them. If neither says that, then you don't have to. Having said that, if you're sure you'd lose your job and the job would only have a basic DBS check, it's up to you whether you choose to disclose to them. If your job has a standard DBS check, they will find out when they do the next check. If it's an enhanced DBS check, the police would already have told them, so it looks like you wouldn't be having that level of check.
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Hi Castiel. I believe telling your employer depends on the work you do and if it states in your contract that your to update on any convictions. I had stopitnow adviser say i should read mine to see if i need to let them know about the investigation, ive not read it nor am i going to say anything just yet as there is no conviction right now. After i will loose my job and i dont jnow what im going to do then. Would also depend if you ever had a DBS check done and if they renew them at all during your employment. All the best Kraken
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Castiel
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Hi I've been wondering what to write for a while now, but I think the time is right. I got the knock in June last year and I have my first court appearance at the end of this month. My solicitor has said that after that hearing I will need to sign on to the register. My question is this, what should I do about my work. I am currently employed but do I tell my employer after this hearing, so I wait until after my sentence or do I not say anything and hope it doesn't come to light?
Thank you for reading and I hope to hear from some of you soon.
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