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They will look through your gallery, videos, pictures saved (likely not all of them but just a glance)
Text messages, whatsapp messages, check to see what other apps you have (snapchat for example which you should avoid if given a SHPO)
Depending how good the PPU is with tech, might check more settings parts of your phone, data usage for example, accounts logged into the phone
Will check your internet browsing history, ask which browsers you use as some apps do not save history (duckduckgo)

It really all comes down to the PPU and if they actually know what they are doing, which is rare.
I would recommend before you are given any SHPO or get told to sign the SOR, back up all your important stuff, factory reset the phone and use the bare minimum, make sure all accounts for apps (if they require a name) are in your real name as some PPU can be uptight depending on how a SHPO is worded.
Any name that is not your name make a list and give it when you sign the SOR, if given a SHPO it MAY include a phrase "not to use aliases online" which might cause some issue if not using real name but again, it depends on how uptight the PPU are.
My first PPU had a list of names I used online and he had no problem with me using them, because I had already given them. my second PPU was ok with them at first, but after applying to discharge my SHPO he became adamant to restrict me further to try and set me up to fail forcing me to change my names on google, restricting me from using playstion as I could not change my name on there.
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Castiel - 24 Apr 25 8:37 AM
Thank you folks 

With regards to them coming to check my phone etc, what kind of things do they look for? Also will it be plain clothes police? And how often do they visit?

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The official guidance says plain clothes officers in an unmarked car. What they look for is up to them, but I'd guess images, videos, chat messages and also browsing history if you don't have monitoring software on a device.

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Thank you folks 

With regards to them coming to check my phone etc, what kind of things do they look for? Also will it be plain clothes police? And how often do they visit?

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punter99 - 19 Apr 25 10:41 AM
Smaller employers tend to be a better bet than larger ones, because they do not have an HR department. We have seen a lot of examples of people who get through the interview, only to be blocked by HR.

You could also try the list of Ban the Box employers, as a few of those are clear that they don't ask at all.

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Smaller employers tend to be a better bet than larger ones, because they do not have an HR department. We have seen a lot of examples of people who get through the interview, only to be blocked by HR.
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Having a conviction does make looking for work much much harder, limiting what you can apply for but not impossible. My previous work coach at the job center would tell me many stories, he spoke of one individual with an indefinite SOPO / SOR. 20 years in to his conviction he was able to remain in work, I do not recall fully if he mentioned he had the same job for that length of time or if it was a job he got more recently. But he was able to get the SOPO discharged and I believe he is taking steps to get taken off the SOR. And his employer has been a massive support.

It is not uncommon that most employers will (and do) wash hands of those with any kind of conviction. Sometimes it is required depending on the conviction and job role. But on rare occasions there are employers out there who will see past the conviction and only focus on your skills / experience if you can legally work there. (Does not breach the SHPO / SOR)
Remember, despite what police, probation may tell you. If you are not asked about convictions (verbally or in application forms), if the job does not require a DBS check, you do not have to disclose convictions even if unspent.

However, being open and honest might have some benefits as well. It really all comes down to the employer and how understanding they are and willingness to give people chance.

One thing I have been told to consider given my time off work is self employment, I have considered it but I do not feel I have enough experience or skills to go down this path. But perhaps in time, maybe you could?



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Im the same, i have no idea what im going to do for work once i have a conviction 

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Thank you for the replies folks

For those of you that did lose your jobs,what did you do? I've never not worked and the thought scares me. Did you manage to find work? Is there any roles to specifically look at?

This next bit seems so daunting and bleak :/ 

How do you cope?
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It was quite a while ago for me, but when I was convicted the police told me I had to tell my employers or they would (even though the job I was in the product/service could only be given to adults and the company could only employ adults).

I was lucky nothing ever got promoted but I would have lost my job. I just told the police that I had informed my employers and hoped they would be too lazy to check. Luckily for me they were too lazy to check.

in my case (a while ago too) on my first home visit (few days after the sentence), they said to me that I didn't need to tell my employer. I never felt more relieved. Also, they never checked my devices

Luckily I managed to get my indefinite Sopo removed 9 years ago next week. Before then they did all they could to trip me up, including costing me a different job and I believe trying to arrest me for something (I don't know what) made up an hour or so after my Sopo was removed by the judge.

They didn't as I was on my way to the airport. But I don't think they ever really want rehabilitation, just to keep you in a box.
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expatofff - 16 Apr 25 9:01 AM
It was quite a while ago for me, but when I was convicted the police told me I had to tell my employers or they would (even though the job I was in the product/service could only be given to adults and the company could only employ adults).

I was lucky nothing ever got promoted but I would have lost my job. I just told the police that I had informed my employers and hoped they would be too lazy to check. Luckily for me they were too lazy to check.

in my case (a while ago too) on my first home visit (few days after the sentence), they said to me that I didn't need to tell my employer. I never felt more relieved. Also, they never checked my devices
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It was quite a while ago for me, but when I was convicted the police told me I had to tell my employers or they would (even though the job I was in the product/service could only be given to adults and the company could only employ adults).

I was lucky nothing ever got promoted but I would have lost my job. I just told the police that I had informed my employers and hoped they would be too lazy to check. Luckily for me they were too lazy to check.

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Images are (nowadays) quite often released of offenders, and to my knowledge the release of such images isn't limited only to sentences of 12 months or more.

There is some guidance available to police officers via the college of policing website around the release of custody images, officer BWVC, etc: https://www.college.police.uk/app/engagement-and-communication/media-relations

Generally, my feeling would be that if the media report on a case, they are likely to make a request to the Police for release of the custody image at least - should there be no media interest in the case, the police wouldn't be likely to "self-publish" - although with the prevalence of police forces having "social media teams" and running their own form of media nowadays, I wouldn't rule this out completely.
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Ive just read that they can but its usualy reserved for murder, 12months or more custodial sentence or or public intrest safety/investigation. 

Also looked on the local police FB and they seem to have only shown the above. 
This gives me a little hope in that respect now, just for the media if they are to post anything.

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Unless you are given a custodial sentence, I do not think Police are allowed to release mug shots.

Except for when someone is known and wanted for questioning.
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To be honest i didnt even think about police giving out the mugshot,
I thought they got them from when the police had posted the pic.

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kraken - 12 Apr 25 12:14 PM

Something i have done myself.
Removed all pics and social media, any pics left on FB are old on friends/family pages,
Also removed my LinkedIn profile also.

Mostly to try protect my family 

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Re pictures quite often the obvious place but sometimes forgotten is the Court House and the Police (note they have given mug shots to the press).

Whenever I went to the Court House I got there early and tried to see if I could spot a photo guy. I did and so approached from behind them therefore keeping my back to them. On leaving I did not rush out of the Court House but went for a cuppa. Then when leaving I again looked remembering if there is not a big case they don't hang about for long.

Other small but important point, I went dressed in a suit and carried a case. this gave the impression I was not a shy offender. 

My photo has never appeared in the papers or media as the above worked and the Police did not provide a picture.

Re work, I think your offence is "images" but whatever it is you have a hard decision.
In my case I didn't tell anyone until I went for sentencing and so managed to work for an extra 2 years.  Even to this date I only tell those that are required to know. However for work and having over 2000 applications unsuccessfully all I can say is be honest and selfish to yourself.

By this I mean do what you feel is right by you as long as you do not hurt anyone else as your life and future prospects has changed and you must adjust.

Good luck with your decision knowing that "the hardest decision is generally the right decision".

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Something i have done myself.
Removed all pics and social media, any pics left on FB are old on friends/family pages,
Also removed my LinkedIn profile also.

Mostly to try protect my family 

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Local journalists do not always go into the court. They can get their information from the court listings, so even if you do not see them, does not mean it will not show up in the local news. 

The papers are not much problem, because they are only out for one day. It is the local news websites and possibly the local police website who might publish your details. Once its on those sites, it can hang around for weeks or even months, which increases the possibility that your work colleagues will find out.

Delete all your social media accounts as well.
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Castiel - 12 Apr 25 6:47 AM
Thanks folks

I didn't have to do a DBS so that part isn't an issue. I work in a different town to where I live so it might not reach the local paper, but I have a public facing job so the company I think wouldn't want the risk I'm guessing.

Will there only be publicity after the sentencing? Or at the first hearing? It's a fair low level of IIOC but it's possible it may make the paper. I'm torn between telling them and not, I think either way I'd lose my job. But do I try and get a few more weeks/months employment under my belt?

It's hard not knowing what to do Sad 
Knowing me I will probably tell them once the sentencing has happened 

There is just no way of knowing I'm afraid, First hearing is usually magistrates where they expect you to make your plea. Plead guilty, it goes straight to crown, not guilty it goes to trial.
I some how managed to avoid any media attention at the time of my Magistrates hearing, but I do read some do get published at this stage. It just depends on who is around at that time. If you wish to try and avoid any media perhaps remain there for 30 minutes before leaving.

The fact you work in a different town may benefit you, it ultimately depends how far that town is from home. I only told those who are closer to me before I had any court hearing, those I worked with I told closer to the time of being sentenced. Of course after the media attention they no longer wanted anything to do with me. But I had not known them that long to begin with, so it may be different for yourself depending how well you get with boss and other workmates.

Perhaps for now, do not tell them until you have had a good think about it and how they might react. Or maybe explain you are due in court, but can not go into details about the case right now.



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Thanks folks

I didn't have to do a DBS so that part isn't an issue. I work in a different town to where I live so it might not reach the local paper, but I have a public facing job so the company I think wouldn't want the risk I'm guessing.

Will there only be publicity after the sentencing? Or at the first hearing? It's a fair low level of IIOC but it's possible it may make the paper. I'm torn between telling them and not, I think either way I'd lose my job. But do I try and get a few more weeks/months employment under my belt?

It's hard not knowing what to do Sad 
Knowing me I will probably tell them once the sentencing has happened 
 
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