theForum is run by the charity Unlock. We do not actively moderate, monitor or edit contributions but we may intervene and take any action as we think necessary. Further details can be found in our terms of use. If you have any concerns over the contents on our site, please either register those concerns using the report-a-post button or email us at forum@unlock.org.uk.


Get out of lockdown free pass (To see probation officer)


Get out of lockdown free pass (To see probation officer)

Author
Message
Mr W
Mr W
Supreme Being
Supreme Being (118K reputation)Supreme Being (118K reputation)Supreme Being (118K reputation)Supreme Being (118K reputation)Supreme Being (118K reputation)Supreme Being (118K reputation)Supreme Being (118K reputation)Supreme Being (118K reputation)Supreme Being (118K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 475, Visits: 5.7K
I don't know if this will have any answers or not but it could be interesting.

The impact of #COVID19 on the probation system will be put under the microscope by the Justice Committee.
We will hear from @Napo_News @HMIProbation  @uservoiceorg @Nacro before Lucy Fraser MP - Minister of State at the Ministry of Justice.
The session will be broadcast live Tuesday 14 April - 2.30pm parliamentlive.tv/Commons


=====
Fighting or Accepting - its difficult to know which is right and when.
punter99
punter99
Supreme Being
Supreme Being (207K reputation)Supreme Being (207K reputation)Supreme Being (207K reputation)Supreme Being (207K reputation)Supreme Being (207K reputation)Supreme Being (207K reputation)Supreme Being (207K reputation)Supreme Being (207K reputation)Supreme Being (207K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 859, Visits: 6.9K
Some other interesting ideas from probation, in response to the lockdown. They have been told to review every offender on their caseload. A massive task, as there are around 250k on probation at any one time. All of the 4k, due for early release soon, will be tagged, to ensure they stay at home, once out of jail. Swapping one prison cell for another?

It has also been suggested that OMs include complying with social distancing rules as a part of EVERY person's sentence plan. Just what offenders need, another reason for them to be breached/recalled. Wonder if that applies to illegal sunbathing?

But, in approved premises, staff will not now carry out room searches, do welfare checks or conduct drug tests. Plenty of scope for things to go wrong there. Anyone would think they wanted people to reoffend? Plus, their offices remain open to see offenders who are homeless, high risk, or who don't have a mobile and yet they still don't have any PPE. I know the govt doesn't particularly care if a few offenders die, but even so, when you have some people using their cough as a weapon, it hardly seems like a good idea.
Dean91
Dean91
Supreme Being
Supreme Being (17K reputation)Supreme Being (17K reputation)Supreme Being (17K reputation)Supreme Being (17K reputation)Supreme Being (17K reputation)Supreme Being (17K reputation)Supreme Being (17K reputation)Supreme Being (17K reputation)Supreme Being (17K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 51, Visits: 961
https://www.bgsw.probationservices.co.uk/2020/03/20/coronavirus-service-user-information/ 

If people use this area also - some helpful info. 
Simon1983
Simon1983
Supreme Being
Supreme Being (72K reputation)Supreme Being (72K reputation)Supreme Being (72K reputation)Supreme Being (72K reputation)Supreme Being (72K reputation)Supreme Being (72K reputation)Supreme Being (72K reputation)Supreme Being (72K reputation)Supreme Being (72K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 202, Visits: 6.4K
Just taking a look this seems to be what the probation service in London are doing 

https://www.mtcgroup.org.uk/2020/03/20/a-statement-regarding-covid-19-and-mtc/

Dean91
Dean91
Supreme Being
Supreme Being (17K reputation)Supreme Being (17K reputation)Supreme Being (17K reputation)Supreme Being (17K reputation)Supreme Being (17K reputation)Supreme Being (17K reputation)Supreme Being (17K reputation)Supreme Being (17K reputation)Supreme Being (17K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 51, Visits: 961
I spoke to my OM last week; and from what I can gather is they are moving towards more telephone contact, and some offenders will get Probation arrive at home but this was more a "Hello how are you? and are you safe?" type check and not going to be instrusive.
khafka
khafka
Supreme Being
Supreme Being (106K reputation)Supreme Being (106K reputation)Supreme Being (106K reputation)Supreme Being (106K reputation)Supreme Being (106K reputation)Supreme Being (106K reputation)Supreme Being (106K reputation)Supreme Being (106K reputation)Supreme Being (106K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 385, Visits: 20K
For what its worth here is my experience with it, perhaps worth noting this is in Scotland so your mileage may vary. I have police visits to change my browsing history (well, they say it is to check my browsing history but they in actual fact through my entire phone and PC, looking at all my emails, SMS/WhatsApp messages and so on). I also have social appointments and my Community Payback Order.

My payback order was halted 2 weeks ago until further notice which is a little annoying as I was more than halfway through it but hey ho. I was given 6 months to complete 120hrs with a court review in May (3 months in) to make sure I was doing it as the judge didn't believe I'd actually bother to do it, at the rate I was going I would've been done next week which would've been nice to turn up to court with but that obviously won't happen now.

My Social work appointments likewise have been cancelled however she does phone me once a week to see how I'm getting on in general, it's usually only 5 minutes or so which sure beats the 1hr+ journey across 2 buses every week for the same 5 minute face-to-face appointment, but I digress...

I was also due to start a social work program, Moving Forward Making Changes which has been put on hold too.

I've not see or heard from my PPU since the 13th of March. I make a note of marking i in my calendar whenever they visit so I have a record and I jot down anything that might be of interest later. My social worker did state they would still be doing visits to check up, initially stating it'd just be at my front door then went to change that stating they'd been told it'd be business as usual for them. I'm normally getting a visit roughly once every 2 weeks so I'm expecting maybe something this week.

punter99
punter99
Supreme Being
Supreme Being (207K reputation)Supreme Being (207K reputation)Supreme Being (207K reputation)Supreme Being (207K reputation)Supreme Being (207K reputation)Supreme Being (207K reputation)Supreme Being (207K reputation)Supreme Being (207K reputation)Supreme Being (207K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 859, Visits: 6.9K
Mr W - 5 Apr 20 1:43 PM
Taken from gov.uk:

Stay at home
  • Only go outside for food, health reasons or work (but only if you cannot work from home)
  • If you go out, stay 2 metres (6ft) away from other people at all times
  • Wash your hands as soon as you get home

Do not meet others, even friends or family. You can spread the virus even if you don’t have symptoms.



The advice clearly states 'do not meet others'. If people like probation start saying 'Yes, but...' it makes a mockery of the whole reason we're all doing this and they need to get a grip of how serious this global pandemic is. So I'd suggest gently reminding them of the advice on the government website about the information about how to save lives right now and suggest, in the meantime, using the phone.


I had a letter from them the other day. It stated very clearly that anyone who fails to keep in contact with them will be in breach. It didn't mention telephone contact or face to face. But they are well aware of the govt advice. They have been spending the last week discussing with the MoJ how they are going to work. Some offenders will be contacted by phone, but since phone contact is considered to be inferior to f2f, the amount of contact by phone will be double that of f2f. Certain offenders will still be seen f2f, like those just released from prison.

All the offenders due for early release shortly, will be heading for probation offices, where they will be seen, face to face, by staff with no PPE. Many will then be sent to approved premises where they will be in close proximity to other people on a daily basis. It's a recipe for disaster. If they didn't have the virus already, when they left prison, they will pick it up at probation or at the AP. The frontline probation staff are no more happy about this than offenders and are saying so on various blogs and forums, but they have been told if they don't do as they are told they (the OMs) will be disciplined. But I'll be sure to point that all out to them when I see my OM. Lol.



Mr W
Mr W
Supreme Being
Supreme Being (118K reputation)Supreme Being (118K reputation)Supreme Being (118K reputation)Supreme Being (118K reputation)Supreme Being (118K reputation)Supreme Being (118K reputation)Supreme Being (118K reputation)Supreme Being (118K reputation)Supreme Being (118K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 475, Visits: 5.7K
Taken from gov.uk:

Stay at home
  • Only go outside for food, health reasons or work (but only if you cannot work from home)
  • If you go out, stay 2 metres (6ft) away from other people at all times
  • Wash your hands as soon as you get home

Do not meet others, even friends or family. You can spread the virus even if you don’t have symptoms.



The advice clearly states 'do not meet others'. If people like probation start saying 'Yes, but...' it makes a mockery of the whole reason we're all doing this and they need to get a grip of how serious this global pandemic is. So I'd suggest gently reminding them of the advice on the government website about the information about how to save lives right now and suggest, in the meantime, using the phone.



=====
Fighting or Accepting - its difficult to know which is right and when.
Edited
5 Years Ago by Mr W
Simon1983
Simon1983
Supreme Being
Supreme Being (72K reputation)Supreme Being (72K reputation)Supreme Being (72K reputation)Supreme Being (72K reputation)Supreme Being (72K reputation)Supreme Being (72K reputation)Supreme Being (72K reputation)Supreme Being (72K reputation)Supreme Being (72K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 202, Visits: 6.4K
I think the terminology the right hand don’t know what the left hand is doing comes to mind at the moment 
Alan Watts
Alan Watts
Supreme Being
Supreme Being (20K reputation)Supreme Being (20K reputation)Supreme Being (20K reputation)Supreme Being (20K reputation)Supreme Being (20K reputation)Supreme Being (20K reputation)Supreme Being (20K reputation)Supreme Being (20K reputation)Supreme Being (20K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Posts: 44, Visits: 271
I used to only have them monthly or less but I moved area 2 months ago and have not had my first f2f probation appointment in this area yet. I had one which they cancelled less than half an hour before it and have been calling me twice a week. They said they wouldnt be doing f2f ones but then randomly decided that I should go to the office for one next week
GO


Similar Topics


As a small but national charity, we rely on charitable grants and individual donations to continue running theForum. We do not deliver government services. By being independent, we are able to respond to the needs of the people with convictions. Help us keep theForum going.

Donate Online

Login
Existing Account
Email Address:


Password:


Select a Forum....
























































































































































































theForum


Search