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+x+x+x+xSadly that does not matter, if there is any suggestion that an item like a hard drive might contain illegal material they will not let you take the non illegal stuff, the whole drive or item will be destroyed.
One piece of my property was destroyed, I got the rest back (stuff that was 'clean' let's say), but after a number of conversations the police did give me back documents (Family stuff, work related stuff) eventually from the hard drive that was destroyed. I provided an external hard drive for them and they gave me it back with my documents on. I might have been lucky, I don't know if all forces are the same. Hi Mr W, Congratulates on your handling this issue and acceptance of the result. Take care Thanks, this happened last year, I just wanted to give hope to those in the same position who want their property back. That force I still have respect for, my current force however, now I've moved, different story as documented previously. Hi From personal experience of moving locations and the PPU reaction to this I find that one force will be happy (less workload) the other is suspicious - driven by their emotions from the additional workload lol From my arrest and through the whole process I have worked with them - but ensuring I am protecting myself - and eventually they appreciate I am not trying to hinder them. I have written to them explaining that after 10 years I am uncomfortable with their and societies "continual regressive attitude", especially as all the psychological evidence demonstrates I am not what the label "sex offender" inferrs. If that will be interpreted as "in denial" time will see. You take care.
Society suggests I must let go of all my expectations but I disagree, as whilst I have a voice, I have hope.
Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope is for tomorrow else what is left if you remove a mans hope. ------------------------------
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Mr W
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+x+x+xSadly that does not matter, if there is any suggestion that an item like a hard drive might contain illegal material they will not let you take the non illegal stuff, the whole drive or item will be destroyed.
One piece of my property was destroyed, I got the rest back (stuff that was 'clean' let's say), but after a number of conversations the police did give me back documents (Family stuff, work related stuff) eventually from the hard drive that was destroyed. I provided an external hard drive for them and they gave me it back with my documents on. I might have been lucky, I don't know if all forces are the same. Hi Mr W, Congratulates on your handling this issue and acceptance of the result. Take care Thanks, this happened last year, I just wanted to give hope to those in the same position who want their property back. That force I still have respect for, my current force however, now I've moved, different story as documented previously.
===== Fighting or Accepting - its difficult to know which is right and when.
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JASB
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+x+xSadly that does not matter, if there is any suggestion that an item like a hard drive might contain illegal material they will not let you take the non illegal stuff, the whole drive or item will be destroyed.
One piece of my property was destroyed, I got the rest back (stuff that was 'clean' let's say), but after a number of conversations the police did give me back documents (Family stuff, work related stuff) eventually from the hard drive that was destroyed. I provided an external hard drive for them and they gave me it back with my documents on. I might have been lucky, I don't know if all forces are the same. Hi Mr W, Congratulates on your handling this issue and acceptance of the result. Take care
Society suggests I must let go of all my expectations but I disagree, as whilst I have a voice, I have hope.
Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope is for tomorrow else what is left if you remove a mans hope. ------------------------------
This forum supports these words, thank you Unlock and your contributors.
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Mr W
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+xSadly that does not matter, if there is any suggestion that an item like a hard drive might contain illegal material they will not let you take the non illegal stuff, the whole drive or item will be destroyed.
One piece of my property was destroyed, I got the rest back (stuff that was 'clean' let's say), but after a number of conversations the police did give me back documents (Family stuff, work related stuff) eventually from the hard drive that was destroyed. I provided an external hard drive for them and they gave me it back with my documents on. I might have been lucky, I don't know if all forces are the same.
===== Fighting or Accepting - its difficult to know which is right and when.
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Simon1983
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Sadly that does not matter, if there is any suggestion that an item like a hard drive might contain illegal material they will not let you take the non illegal stuff, the whole drive or item will be destroyed.
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Alan Watts
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Also if they have your electronic equipment and they allowed to just destroy your data? You could have all sorts on it such as irrepleacable family photos, financial details, passwords etc
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Alan Watts
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I was in Scotland but I was convicted basically of online harassment and around 20 items (mostly electronic and some belonging to my family members were taken by the police for forensic examination)
I had about 10 TERABYTES of data that took them over 2 years to go through to prove I had sent the offending Facebook messages
After my sentencing I attempted to contact them (the police and prosecution) several times and was not getting anywhere as they were just blaming each other and breaking their own guidelines to return property within 3 months of the last day in court. Eventually I put in a written complaint to the central system of both public services expressing my concerns of personal data and how they had taken items irrelevant to the investigation, and items which did not belong to me. After the written complaint they eventually returned my property which by at this point they had for almost 3 years
So in your situation I would put a complaint about the police or CPS on their online complaints form, I would certainly not make it easy for them by signing for anything
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punter99
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If the police applied to the court for a destruction order and that was granted, they shouldn't need the owners permission to destroy it. If they are asking for permission from the owner, that suggests they don't have permission from the court to destroy. May be worth asking them for a copy of the destruction/forfeiture order first, to see what is says. It may specify certain things that were seized but not others.
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Thorswrath
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You can get some items back providing they have been forensically tested and are free of any incriminating evidence, for example if they took a PC monitor and it can't store data or in my case an external hard drive which had been tested and eliminated from their investigation. You have to have a good reason though, i had intellectual property on it that wasn't backed up in any other form. Any other equipment that forms part of the investigation that is pertinent to your case past or present, you wont be able to get back, for example you can't ask them to start taking out individual components out of a PC like a graphics card or sound card as they make the machine that was used to commit the offense operable, ie: it can be proved that the machine was usable so therefore if it worked at the time of investigation it can be proved that it was able to be used.
So if anything you want back is a component in the computer it will be nigh on impossible to get back...anything else is lawfully your property.
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Simon1983
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Hi ajones what was the offence and what property have they still got as if you read PACE in relation to property that’s taken even after a case has been completed, there are items that will not be given back like guns, knives etc, it your crime was computer based, then they will also destroy these items as well. Normally the police will as for a destruction order on day of sentence, I wonder the fact they have written to you this was forgotten about, I don’t know. But if your crime was computer related and the re is a risk that items of offence could be recovered from hard drives you will not get that property back.
as I said in my last post you are best off speaking to a solicitor
stay safe and all the best
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