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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI'm a registered sex offender, and nearing the end of my tether I just feel like the last 4 and a bit years have been crazy my original conviction was for 17 deleted images and i've been hounded and profiled non stop by greater manchester police and west yorkshire police. At no point can anyone explain to my how such a draconian and onerous order was imposed, no one can tell me about why RvSmith and RvMortimer was ignored. Nor can anyone explain to me why when I travel green notices are issued by forces. It has got to the point where I feel i've been completely mistreated, misrepresented. I just don't know what to do or where to go to progress, I dont know how to move on and find work, I dont to how I can even start work. Last year I approached west yorkshire police I was offered 2 jobs at starbucks and home bargains. I was told that I couldn't start them on the basis that Children would be ordering. or buying sweets etc. This year i'm told, hey you can go for those jobs. Who do I believe or who do I trust when one year they say one thing, and the next another. I just dont know what to do This is from my indictment PROSECUTION ALLEGATIONS AND ISSUES:The police executed a warrant at the defendant's address on 8/8/15. A number of electrical items were removed.Examination of a laptop revealed inaccessible indecent images of children at Categories A, Band C.Admissions have been made by the defendant to his partner who has provided a statement. Every image found statesThis image has been recovered from a 'Thum bs.db' file on the Windows user profile of '********''.Thumbs.db files are generated by the Windows operating system to enable a user of the OS to see athumbnail representation of a number of graphic files in a single location. These 'system' files are notreadily accessible without specialist knowledge. This is from my certificate of convictionaking indecent photographs of children x 18 making indecent photographs of children x 18 SHPO Bearing in mind my offence was for 18 deleted images, how does that translate into a SHPO like this???? 1. Having contact either directly or indirectly with any child under 16 years except: (a) Normal, incidental and not reasonably avoidable in the course of lawful day to day life (b) Contact with the express written approval of Social Services for the area where the defendant is residing (c) Contact with any child to whom the defendant is the biological father and a court order pursuant to the Children's Act 1989 has been granted authorising contact. 2. Residing at any address without prior approval of his Police Offender Manager (SOMU). 3. Possessing or using any computer or device capable of accessing the internet including mobile phones unless: (a)The make model and serial number of the device have been notified to a Police Offender Manager for the area where he resides AND b) It has installed and maintained, monitoring software that is approved and monitored by Greater Manchester Police or any other police force in the area in which he lives. AND c) He does not tamper interfere remove bypass disable alter or attempt to do any of those things to the components or settings relating to the installed risk management software. d) With exception of a device owned and used within a public library -0r internet cafe the details of which he has provided details to his Police Offender Manager. OR The device is used solely for the purposes of work or employment (other than self-employment), is not removed by or on behalf of the Defendant from the employer's premises, internet use of the device is subject to security measures monitored by the employer which are deemed suitable by the Public protection Unit of the Police Force in which he lives .. 4. Taking up employment paid/unpaid (includes elf employment/voluntary work) that will bring him into regular contact with children under 16yrs. 5. Possessing any still or moving image of a child under 16 years old (excluding family members who must have their genitals, buttocks and torso covered) except for televised programmes, commercially produced videos or DVD's and lawful publications such as magazines and catalogues. 6. Taking any visual image of a child under 16yrs except with knowledge and permission of that child's parent or guardian who is aware of his conviction. 7. Possessing any device capable of storing digital images unless he provides the details, make and model of such an item to his Police Offender Manager for the area where he resides and make such a device available for inspection on request. Hi James I feel the same as you do, and agree those orders that have been placed on your SHPO are an absolute joke. If you are willing, I would be interested to know how your solicitor dealt with your case. Did you ever make complaints or take it to legal ombudsman? Did you pay them yourself or was "defense" provided for free? As difficult and frustrating our situations are, you have to remain strong. Do not let them win. The solicitor was a nightmare to be honest, at the time I was in a relationship with a woman who had a 10 year old child. I asked my solicitor (in writing) if I needed to inform police (pre sentencing). he said no and the QC agreed. The woman by the way was fully aware of the charges and was kept updated. Post sentencing I wrote to my solicitor "1-Does this now mean that I can have no contact with ****** youngest without involving the SS (Social Services)?"
My solicitor replied "No - **QC [My QC] explained this at the last hearing. Such contact would be caught within the "normal and incidental" definition"The police found out and I ended up with a caution for following the solicitors advice.... Funny how Solicitors are suppose to give you legal advice yet Police can ignore that advice and simply impose what ever they wish on anyone because they are "the law". What steps have you taken so far since then? Have you filed a complaint? Asked for a subject access request? Asked police to justify their reasons for the caution and not taking legal advice in to account? Did your solicitor not help back up their advice? I really can understand your frustration but as I said in my last post, you have to stay strong and collect as much information as you can. Oh the police were classic - in a recorded interview the Offender Manager verbally stated she know about a smartphone I had. Yet the following year she states in a written statement to the court she doesn't know about it....  Smartphone AdmissionIn a complaint, their supervising officer quoted the human rights act, and the fact it had been a while since the initial recording...... You've piqued my interest with these screen grabs, what's the process to get hold of these? Hi On your pc keyboard generally you select the control key and PrtSc function key at the same time. open paint and paste and save. Some key boards use the Alt or FM key and slightly different text but the concept is the same. Any questions just ask. ahh - are you talking about the process? I use the snipping tool... 1 - in the search box type snipping 2 - Choose open The tool allows you to select creas, senser and a few other things  Hi james Thanks and yes used it but old habits (win 1.1) are hard to lose lol
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+x+xI'm a registered sex offender, and nearing the end of my tether I just feel like the last 4 and a bit years have been crazy my original conviction was for 17 deleted images and i've been hounded and profiled non stop by greater manchester police and west yorkshire police. At no point can anyone explain to my how such a draconian and onerous order was imposed, no one can tell me about why RvSmith and RvMortimer was ignored. Nor can anyone explain to me why when I travel green notices are issued by forces. It has got to the point where I feel i've been completely mistreated, misrepresented. I just don't know what to do or where to go to progress, I dont know how to move on and find work, I dont to how I can even start work. Last year I approached west yorkshire police I was offered 2 jobs at starbucks and home bargains. I was told that I couldn't start them on the basis that Children would be ordering. or buying sweets etc. This year i'm told, hey you can go for those jobs. Who do I believe or who do I trust when one year they say one thing, and the next another. I just dont know what to do This is from my indictment PROSECUTION ALLEGATIONS AND ISSUES:The police executed a warrant at the defendant's address on 8/8/15. A number of electrical items were removed.Examination of a laptop revealed inaccessible indecent images of children at Categories A, Band C.Admissions have been made by the defendant to his partner who has provided a statement. Every image found statesThis image has been recovered from a 'Thum bs.db' file on the Windows user profile of '********''.Thumbs.db files are generated by the Windows operating system to enable a user of the OS to see athumbnail representation of a number of graphic files in a single location. These 'system' files are notreadily accessible without specialist knowledge. This is from my certificate of convictionaking indecent photographs of children x 18 making indecent photographs of children x 18 SHPO Bearing in mind my offence was for 18 deleted images, how does that translate into a SHPO like this???? 1. Having contact either directly or indirectly with any child under 16 years except: (a) Normal, incidental and not reasonably avoidable in the course of lawful day to day life (b) Contact with the express written approval of Social Services for the area where the defendant is residing (c) Contact with any child to whom the defendant is the biological father and a court order pursuant to the Children's Act 1989 has been granted authorising contact. 2. Residing at any address without prior approval of his Police Offender Manager (SOMU). 3. Possessing or using any computer or device capable of accessing the internet including mobile phones unless: (a)The make model and serial number of the device have been notified to a Police Offender Manager for the area where he resides AND b) It has installed and maintained, monitoring software that is approved and monitored by Greater Manchester Police or any other police force in the area in which he lives. AND c) He does not tamper interfere remove bypass disable alter or attempt to do any of those things to the components or settings relating to the installed risk management software. d) With exception of a device owned and used within a public library -0r internet cafe the details of which he has provided details to his Police Offender Manager. OR The device is used solely for the purposes of work or employment (other than self-employment), is not removed by or on behalf of the Defendant from the employer's premises, internet use of the device is subject to security measures monitored by the employer which are deemed suitable by the Public protection Unit of the Police Force in which he lives .. 4. Taking up employment paid/unpaid (includes elf employment/voluntary work) that will bring him into regular contact with children under 16yrs. 5. Possessing any still or moving image of a child under 16 years old (excluding family members who must have their genitals, buttocks and torso covered) except for televised programmes, commercially produced videos or DVD's and lawful publications such as magazines and catalogues. 6. Taking any visual image of a child under 16yrs except with knowledge and permission of that child's parent or guardian who is aware of his conviction. 7. Possessing any device capable of storing digital images unless he provides the details, make and model of such an item to his Police Offender Manager for the area where he resides and make such a device available for inspection on request. Hi James I feel the same as you do, and agree those orders that have been placed on your SHPO are an absolute joke. If you are willing, I would be interested to know how your solicitor dealt with your case. Did you ever make complaints or take it to legal ombudsman? Did you pay them yourself or was "defense" provided for free? As difficult and frustrating our situations are, you have to remain strong. Do not let them win. Hi By my own experience I doubt if you would get much from the solicitors as now you are not paying them. I had to go to the legal Ombudsman and challenged 5 occurrences of their failure and managed to win all because their processes were not to standard. Two financial awards but written apologies on all. They resulted in outsourcing their complaints process after that. It is all down to ensuring you have the documents: theirs and yours, and looking deeply at them to compare to reality
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI'm a registered sex offender, and nearing the end of my tether I just feel like the last 4 and a bit years have been crazy my original conviction was for 17 deleted images and i've been hounded and profiled non stop by greater manchester police and west yorkshire police. At no point can anyone explain to my how such a draconian and onerous order was imposed, no one can tell me about why RvSmith and RvMortimer was ignored. Nor can anyone explain to me why when I travel green notices are issued by forces. It has got to the point where I feel i've been completely mistreated, misrepresented. I just don't know what to do or where to go to progress, I dont know how to move on and find work, I dont to how I can even start work. Last year I approached west yorkshire police I was offered 2 jobs at starbucks and home bargains. I was told that I couldn't start them on the basis that Children would be ordering. or buying sweets etc. This year i'm told, hey you can go for those jobs. Who do I believe or who do I trust when one year they say one thing, and the next another. I just dont know what to do This is from my indictment PROSECUTION ALLEGATIONS AND ISSUES:The police executed a warrant at the defendant's address on 8/8/15. A number of electrical items were removed.Examination of a laptop revealed inaccessible indecent images of children at Categories A, Band C.Admissions have been made by the defendant to his partner who has provided a statement. Every image found statesThis image has been recovered from a 'Thum bs.db' file on the Windows user profile of '********''.Thumbs.db files are generated by the Windows operating system to enable a user of the OS to see athumbnail representation of a number of graphic files in a single location. These 'system' files are notreadily accessible without specialist knowledge. This is from my certificate of convictionaking indecent photographs of children x 18 making indecent photographs of children x 18 SHPO Bearing in mind my offence was for 18 deleted images, how does that translate into a SHPO like this???? 1. Having contact either directly or indirectly with any child under 16 years except: (a) Normal, incidental and not reasonably avoidable in the course of lawful day to day life (b) Contact with the express written approval of Social Services for the area where the defendant is residing (c) Contact with any child to whom the defendant is the biological father and a court order pursuant to the Children's Act 1989 has been granted authorising contact. 2. Residing at any address without prior approval of his Police Offender Manager (SOMU). 3. Possessing or using any computer or device capable of accessing the internet including mobile phones unless: (a)The make model and serial number of the device have been notified to a Police Offender Manager for the area where he resides AND b) It has installed and maintained, monitoring software that is approved and monitored by Greater Manchester Police or any other police force in the area in which he lives. AND c) He does not tamper interfere remove bypass disable alter or attempt to do any of those things to the components or settings relating to the installed risk management software. d) With exception of a device owned and used within a public library -0r internet cafe the details of which he has provided details to his Police Offender Manager. OR The device is used solely for the purposes of work or employment (other than self-employment), is not removed by or on behalf of the Defendant from the employer's premises, internet use of the device is subject to security measures monitored by the employer which are deemed suitable by the Public protection Unit of the Police Force in which he lives .. 4. Taking up employment paid/unpaid (includes elf employment/voluntary work) that will bring him into regular contact with children under 16yrs. 5. Possessing any still or moving image of a child under 16 years old (excluding family members who must have their genitals, buttocks and torso covered) except for televised programmes, commercially produced videos or DVD's and lawful publications such as magazines and catalogues. 6. Taking any visual image of a child under 16yrs except with knowledge and permission of that child's parent or guardian who is aware of his conviction. 7. Possessing any device capable of storing digital images unless he provides the details, make and model of such an item to his Police Offender Manager for the area where he resides and make such a device available for inspection on request. Hi James I feel the same as you do, and agree those orders that have been placed on your SHPO are an absolute joke. If you are willing, I would be interested to know how your solicitor dealt with your case. Did you ever make complaints or take it to legal ombudsman? Did you pay them yourself or was "defense" provided for free? As difficult and frustrating our situations are, you have to remain strong. Do not let them win. The solicitor was a nightmare to be honest, at the time I was in a relationship with a woman who had a 10 year old child. I asked my solicitor (in writing) if I needed to inform police (pre sentencing). he said no and the QC agreed. The woman by the way was fully aware of the charges and was kept updated. Post sentencing I wrote to my solicitor "1-Does this now mean that I can have no contact with ****** youngest without involving the SS (Social Services)?"
My solicitor replied "No - **QC [My QC] explained this at the last hearing. Such contact would be caught within the "normal and incidental" definition"The police found out and I ended up with a caution for following the solicitors advice.... Funny how Solicitors are suppose to give you legal advice yet Police can ignore that advice and simply impose what ever they wish on anyone because they are "the law". What steps have you taken so far since then? Have you filed a complaint? Asked for a subject access request? Asked police to justify their reasons for the caution and not taking legal advice in to account? Did your solicitor not help back up their advice? I really can understand your frustration but as I said in my last post, you have to stay strong and collect as much information as you can. Oh the police were classic - in a recorded interview the Offender Manager verbally stated she know about a smartphone I had. Yet the following year she states in a written statement to the court she doesn't know about it.... Smartphone AdmissionIn a complaint, their supervising officer quoted the human rights act, and the fact it had been a while since the initial recording...... You've piqued my interest with these screen grabs, what's the process to get hold of these? Hi On your pc keyboard generally you select the control key and PrtSc function key at the same time. open paint and paste and save. Some key boards use the Alt or FM key and slightly different text but the concept is the same. Any questions just ask. ahh - are you talking about the process? I use the snipping tool... 1 - in the search box type snipping 2 - Choose open The tool allows you to select creas, senser and a few other things
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+x"...I was told that I couldn't start them on the basis that Children would be ordering. or buying sweets etc..."
Stuff like this really gets my goat up at times. Similar to when you see folk online when someone is outed in media. "Oh Karen, this guy lives on your street! Make sure little Timmy is safe" as they're just going around abducting children left, right, and centre. If they even bothered to look into the facts and statistics it shows quite clearly physical harm to children is overwhelmingly carried out by someone close to the family, typically a father. So if anything they'd need to be keeping an eye on their husband more than some random in their street... The police are obviously aware (or at least should be!) of this fact too. I'm not sure how old you are, I'm in my 30s and I have zero record of ever doing anything to a child. With that in mind and what I mentioned above as well as also being arrested and monitored by the police this seems like a ludicrous stipulation to place on a someone who has never committed a contact offence. It's all based on an imagined risk on feelings. I'm sorry, but facts don't care about feelings. And in regards to the initial issue with Home Bargains and Starbucks. Both are multi-million pound companies. I'm fairly certain they all have CCTV as well as a pretty steady customer base throughout the day. Do they honestly think you're going to be at the till and just snatching up children as they come through or something? The stupidity angers me, it really does. I also have no idea how everyone knows what stipulations they have on their SOPO. I have never been given a list, I honestly couldn't tell you what I'm allowed or not allowed to do. The only thing remotely related I got was one sheet of paper which said what offence I'd been charged with along with the court dates and information and that I need to go to the police station within 3 days to hand over my details. I'm in Scotland so not sure if that changes anything. Hi Write to the CC where your hearing was, provide as much info as possible and they will send a copy to you. Suggestion you keep all copies for future reference. By that I mean if you apply for an amendment and succeed you retain the old and new versions as I had to provide my PPU with the amended version lol
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI'm a registered sex offender, and nearing the end of my tether I just feel like the last 4 and a bit years have been crazy my original conviction was for 17 deleted images and i've been hounded and profiled non stop by greater manchester police and west yorkshire police. At no point can anyone explain to my how such a draconian and onerous order was imposed, no one can tell me about why RvSmith and RvMortimer was ignored. Nor can anyone explain to me why when I travel green notices are issued by forces. It has got to the point where I feel i've been completely mistreated, misrepresented. I just don't know what to do or where to go to progress, I dont know how to move on and find work, I dont to how I can even start work. Last year I approached west yorkshire police I was offered 2 jobs at starbucks and home bargains. I was told that I couldn't start them on the basis that Children would be ordering. or buying sweets etc. This year i'm told, hey you can go for those jobs. Who do I believe or who do I trust when one year they say one thing, and the next another. I just dont know what to do This is from my indictment PROSECUTION ALLEGATIONS AND ISSUES:The police executed a warrant at the defendant's address on 8/8/15. A number of electrical items were removed.Examination of a laptop revealed inaccessible indecent images of children at Categories A, Band C.Admissions have been made by the defendant to his partner who has provided a statement. Every image found statesThis image has been recovered from a 'Thum bs.db' file on the Windows user profile of '********''.Thumbs.db files are generated by the Windows operating system to enable a user of the OS to see athumbnail representation of a number of graphic files in a single location. These 'system' files are notreadily accessible without specialist knowledge. This is from my certificate of convictionaking indecent photographs of children x 18 making indecent photographs of children x 18 SHPO Bearing in mind my offence was for 18 deleted images, how does that translate into a SHPO like this???? 1. Having contact either directly or indirectly with any child under 16 years except: (a) Normal, incidental and not reasonably avoidable in the course of lawful day to day life (b) Contact with the express written approval of Social Services for the area where the defendant is residing (c) Contact with any child to whom the defendant is the biological father and a court order pursuant to the Children's Act 1989 has been granted authorising contact. 2. Residing at any address without prior approval of his Police Offender Manager (SOMU). 3. Possessing or using any computer or device capable of accessing the internet including mobile phones unless: (a)The make model and serial number of the device have been notified to a Police Offender Manager for the area where he resides AND b) It has installed and maintained, monitoring software that is approved and monitored by Greater Manchester Police or any other police force in the area in which he lives. AND c) He does not tamper interfere remove bypass disable alter or attempt to do any of those things to the components or settings relating to the installed risk management software. d) With exception of a device owned and used within a public library -0r internet cafe the details of which he has provided details to his Police Offender Manager. OR The device is used solely for the purposes of work or employment (other than self-employment), is not removed by or on behalf of the Defendant from the employer's premises, internet use of the device is subject to security measures monitored by the employer which are deemed suitable by the Public protection Unit of the Police Force in which he lives .. 4. Taking up employment paid/unpaid (includes elf employment/voluntary work) that will bring him into regular contact with children under 16yrs. 5. Possessing any still or moving image of a child under 16 years old (excluding family members who must have their genitals, buttocks and torso covered) except for televised programmes, commercially produced videos or DVD's and lawful publications such as magazines and catalogues. 6. Taking any visual image of a child under 16yrs except with knowledge and permission of that child's parent or guardian who is aware of his conviction. 7. Possessing any device capable of storing digital images unless he provides the details, make and model of such an item to his Police Offender Manager for the area where he resides and make such a device available for inspection on request. Hi James I feel the same as you do, and agree those orders that have been placed on your SHPO are an absolute joke. If you are willing, I would be interested to know how your solicitor dealt with your case. Did you ever make complaints or take it to legal ombudsman? Did you pay them yourself or was "defense" provided for free? As difficult and frustrating our situations are, you have to remain strong. Do not let them win. The solicitor was a nightmare to be honest, at the time I was in a relationship with a woman who had a 10 year old child. I asked my solicitor (in writing) if I needed to inform police (pre sentencing). he said no and the QC agreed. The woman by the way was fully aware of the charges and was kept updated. Post sentencing I wrote to my solicitor "1-Does this now mean that I can have no contact with ****** youngest without involving the SS (Social Services)?"
My solicitor replied "No - **QC [My QC] explained this at the last hearing. Such contact would be caught within the "normal and incidental" definition"The police found out and I ended up with a caution for following the solicitors advice.... Funny how Solicitors are suppose to give you legal advice yet Police can ignore that advice and simply impose what ever they wish on anyone because they are "the law". What steps have you taken so far since then? Have you filed a complaint? Asked for a subject access request? Asked police to justify their reasons for the caution and not taking legal advice in to account? Did your solicitor not help back up their advice? I really can understand your frustration but as I said in my last post, you have to stay strong and collect as much information as you can. Oh the police were classic - in a recorded interview the Offender Manager verbally stated she know about a smartphone I had. Yet the following year she states in a written statement to the court she doesn't know about it.... Smartphone AdmissionIn a complaint, their supervising officer quoted the human rights act, and the fact it had been a while since the initial recording...... You've piqued my interest with these screen grabs, what's the process to get hold of these? Hi On your pc keyboard generally you select the control key and PrtSc function key at the same time. open paint and paste and save. Some key boards use the Alt or FM key and slightly different text but the concept is the same. Any questions just ask.
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+x+x+x[quote]I also have no idea how everyone knows what stipulations they have on their SOPO. I have never been given a list, I honestly couldn't tell you what I'm allowed or not allowed to do.
I was handled a copy by the clerk of the court at the end of the hearing and my solicitor also sent me a copy in their wrap-up letter. May be worth going back to them to see if they have it still on file. Yeah - same thing happened to me. I was sat outside with my QC and solicitor, the clerk came up with the order and that was it. The QC and Solicitor said the orders are standard and there's no point in questioning it. Hi Never take this as fact, at my actual hearing I had one that implied I could not stop at a commercial residence without informing every parent or guardian with a child of under 16 residing there of my offence. The Judge dismissed it.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI'm a registered sex offender, and nearing the end of my tether I just feel like the last 4 and a bit years have been crazy my original conviction was for 17 deleted images and i've been hounded and profiled non stop by greater manchester police and west yorkshire police. At no point can anyone explain to my how such a draconian and onerous order was imposed, no one can tell me about why RvSmith and RvMortimer was ignored. Nor can anyone explain to me why when I travel green notices are issued by forces. It has got to the point where I feel i've been completely mistreated, misrepresented. I just don't know what to do or where to go to progress, I dont know how to move on and find work, I dont to how I can even start work. Last year I approached west yorkshire police I was offered 2 jobs at starbucks and home bargains. I was told that I couldn't start them on the basis that Children would be ordering. or buying sweets etc. This year i'm told, hey you can go for those jobs. Who do I believe or who do I trust when one year they say one thing, and the next another. I just dont know what to do This is from my indictment PROSECUTION ALLEGATIONS AND ISSUES:The police executed a warrant at the defendant's address on 8/8/15. A number of electrical items were removed.Examination of a laptop revealed inaccessible indecent images of children at Categories A, Band C.Admissions have been made by the defendant to his partner who has provided a statement. Every image found statesThis image has been recovered from a 'Thum bs.db' file on the Windows user profile of '********''.Thumbs.db files are generated by the Windows operating system to enable a user of the OS to see athumbnail representation of a number of graphic files in a single location. These 'system' files are notreadily accessible without specialist knowledge. This is from my certificate of convictionaking indecent photographs of children x 18 making indecent photographs of children x 18 SHPO Bearing in mind my offence was for 18 deleted images, how does that translate into a SHPO like this???? 1. Having contact either directly or indirectly with any child under 16 years except: (a) Normal, incidental and not reasonably avoidable in the course of lawful day to day life (b) Contact with the express written approval of Social Services for the area where the defendant is residing (c) Contact with any child to whom the defendant is the biological father and a court order pursuant to the Children's Act 1989 has been granted authorising contact. 2. Residing at any address without prior approval of his Police Offender Manager (SOMU). 3. Possessing or using any computer or device capable of accessing the internet including mobile phones unless: (a)The make model and serial number of the device have been notified to a Police Offender Manager for the area where he resides AND b) It has installed and maintained, monitoring software that is approved and monitored by Greater Manchester Police or any other police force in the area in which he lives. AND c) He does not tamper interfere remove bypass disable alter or attempt to do any of those things to the components or settings relating to the installed risk management software. d) With exception of a device owned and used within a public library -0r internet cafe the details of which he has provided details to his Police Offender Manager. OR The device is used solely for the purposes of work or employment (other than self-employment), is not removed by or on behalf of the Defendant from the employer's premises, internet use of the device is subject to security measures monitored by the employer which are deemed suitable by the Public protection Unit of the Police Force in which he lives .. 4. Taking up employment paid/unpaid (includes elf employment/voluntary work) that will bring him into regular contact with children under 16yrs. 5. Possessing any still or moving image of a child under 16 years old (excluding family members who must have their genitals, buttocks and torso covered) except for televised programmes, commercially produced videos or DVD's and lawful publications such as magazines and catalogues. 6. Taking any visual image of a child under 16yrs except with knowledge and permission of that child's parent or guardian who is aware of his conviction. 7. Possessing any device capable of storing digital images unless he provides the details, make and model of such an item to his Police Offender Manager for the area where he resides and make such a device available for inspection on request. Hi James I feel the same as you do, and agree those orders that have been placed on your SHPO are an absolute joke. If you are willing, I would be interested to know how your solicitor dealt with your case. Did you ever make complaints or take it to legal ombudsman? Did you pay them yourself or was "defense" provided for free? As difficult and frustrating our situations are, you have to remain strong. Do not let them win. The solicitor was a nightmare to be honest, at the time I was in a relationship with a woman who had a 10 year old child. I asked my solicitor (in writing) if I needed to inform police (pre sentencing). he said no and the QC agreed. The woman by the way was fully aware of the charges and was kept updated. Post sentencing I wrote to my solicitor "1-Does this now mean that I can have no contact with ****** youngest without involving the SS (Social Services)?"
My solicitor replied "No - **QC [My QC] explained this at the last hearing. Such contact would be caught within the "normal and incidental" definition"The police found out and I ended up with a caution for following the solicitors advice.... Funny how Solicitors are suppose to give you legal advice yet Police can ignore that advice and simply impose what ever they wish on anyone because they are "the law". What steps have you taken so far since then? Have you filed a complaint? Asked for a subject access request? Asked police to justify their reasons for the caution and not taking legal advice in to account? Did your solicitor not help back up their advice? I really can understand your frustration but as I said in my last post, you have to stay strong and collect as much information as you can. Oh the police were classic - in a recorded interview the Offender Manager verbally stated she know about a smartphone I had. Yet the following year she states in a written statement to the court she doesn't know about it.... Smartphone AdmissionIn a complaint, their supervising officer quoted the human rights act, and the fact it had been a while since the initial recording...... You've piqued my interest with these screen grabs, what's the process to get hold of these? Write in to the MoJ under data protection. I'll try and dig out the relevant paperwork and details
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+x+x+x+x+xI'm a registered sex offender, and nearing the end of my tether I just feel like the last 4 and a bit years have been crazy my original conviction was for 17 deleted images and i've been hounded and profiled non stop by greater manchester police and west yorkshire police. At no point can anyone explain to my how such a draconian and onerous order was imposed, no one can tell me about why RvSmith and RvMortimer was ignored. Nor can anyone explain to me why when I travel green notices are issued by forces. It has got to the point where I feel i've been completely mistreated, misrepresented. I just don't know what to do or where to go to progress, I dont know how to move on and find work, I dont to how I can even start work. Last year I approached west yorkshire police I was offered 2 jobs at starbucks and home bargains. I was told that I couldn't start them on the basis that Children would be ordering. or buying sweets etc. This year i'm told, hey you can go for those jobs. Who do I believe or who do I trust when one year they say one thing, and the next another. I just dont know what to do This is from my indictment PROSECUTION ALLEGATIONS AND ISSUES:The police executed a warrant at the defendant's address on 8/8/15. A number of electrical items were removed.Examination of a laptop revealed inaccessible indecent images of children at Categories A, Band C.Admissions have been made by the defendant to his partner who has provided a statement. Every image found statesThis image has been recovered from a 'Thum bs.db' file on the Windows user profile of '********''.Thumbs.db files are generated by the Windows operating system to enable a user of the OS to see athumbnail representation of a number of graphic files in a single location. These 'system' files are notreadily accessible without specialist knowledge. This is from my certificate of convictionaking indecent photographs of children x 18 making indecent photographs of children x 18 SHPO Bearing in mind my offence was for 18 deleted images, how does that translate into a SHPO like this???? 1. Having contact either directly or indirectly with any child under 16 years except: (a) Normal, incidental and not reasonably avoidable in the course of lawful day to day life (b) Contact with the express written approval of Social Services for the area where the defendant is residing (c) Contact with any child to whom the defendant is the biological father and a court order pursuant to the Children's Act 1989 has been granted authorising contact. 2. Residing at any address without prior approval of his Police Offender Manager (SOMU). 3. Possessing or using any computer or device capable of accessing the internet including mobile phones unless: (a)The make model and serial number of the device have been notified to a Police Offender Manager for the area where he resides AND b) It has installed and maintained, monitoring software that is approved and monitored by Greater Manchester Police or any other police force in the area in which he lives. AND c) He does not tamper interfere remove bypass disable alter or attempt to do any of those things to the components or settings relating to the installed risk management software. d) With exception of a device owned and used within a public library -0r internet cafe the details of which he has provided details to his Police Offender Manager. OR The device is used solely for the purposes of work or employment (other than self-employment), is not removed by or on behalf of the Defendant from the employer's premises, internet use of the device is subject to security measures monitored by the employer which are deemed suitable by the Public protection Unit of the Police Force in which he lives .. 4. Taking up employment paid/unpaid (includes elf employment/voluntary work) that will bring him into regular contact with children under 16yrs. 5. Possessing any still or moving image of a child under 16 years old (excluding family members who must have their genitals, buttocks and torso covered) except for televised programmes, commercially produced videos or DVD's and lawful publications such as magazines and catalogues. 6. Taking any visual image of a child under 16yrs except with knowledge and permission of that child's parent or guardian who is aware of his conviction. 7. Possessing any device capable of storing digital images unless he provides the details, make and model of such an item to his Police Offender Manager for the area where he resides and make such a device available for inspection on request. Hi James I feel the same as you do, and agree those orders that have been placed on your SHPO are an absolute joke. If you are willing, I would be interested to know how your solicitor dealt with your case. Did you ever make complaints or take it to legal ombudsman? Did you pay them yourself or was "defense" provided for free? As difficult and frustrating our situations are, you have to remain strong. Do not let them win. The solicitor was a nightmare to be honest, at the time I was in a relationship with a woman who had a 10 year old child. I asked my solicitor (in writing) if I needed to inform police (pre sentencing). he said no and the QC agreed. The woman by the way was fully aware of the charges and was kept updated. Post sentencing I wrote to my solicitor "1-Does this now mean that I can have no contact with ****** youngest without involving the SS (Social Services)?"
My solicitor replied "No - **QC [My QC] explained this at the last hearing. Such contact would be caught within the "normal and incidental" definition"The police found out and I ended up with a caution for following the solicitors advice.... Funny how Solicitors are suppose to give you legal advice yet Police can ignore that advice and simply impose what ever they wish on anyone because they are "the law". What steps have you taken so far since then? Have you filed a complaint? Asked for a subject access request? Asked police to justify their reasons for the caution and not taking legal advice in to account? Did your solicitor not help back up their advice? I really can understand your frustration but as I said in my last post, you have to stay strong and collect as much information as you can. Oh the police were classic - in a recorded interview the Offender Manager verbally stated she know about a smartphone I had. Yet the following year she states in a written statement to the court she doesn't know about it.... Smartphone AdmissionIn a complaint, their supervising officer quoted the human rights act, and the fact it had been a while since the initial recording...... So basically its people talking about you behind your back? They tell you one thing in person yet do a complete 180 in reports like that? How do you go about collecting this kind of information? I would be really interested to know what things are being said behind my back
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+x+x+x+x+xI'm a registered sex offender, and nearing the end of my tether I just feel like the last 4 and a bit years have been crazy my original conviction was for 17 deleted images and i've been hounded and profiled non stop by greater manchester police and west yorkshire police. At no point can anyone explain to my how such a draconian and onerous order was imposed, no one can tell me about why RvSmith and RvMortimer was ignored. Nor can anyone explain to me why when I travel green notices are issued by forces. It has got to the point where I feel i've been completely mistreated, misrepresented. I just don't know what to do or where to go to progress, I dont know how to move on and find work, I dont to how I can even start work. Last year I approached west yorkshire police I was offered 2 jobs at starbucks and home bargains. I was told that I couldn't start them on the basis that Children would be ordering. or buying sweets etc. This year i'm told, hey you can go for those jobs. Who do I believe or who do I trust when one year they say one thing, and the next another. I just dont know what to do This is from my indictment PROSECUTION ALLEGATIONS AND ISSUES:The police executed a warrant at the defendant's address on 8/8/15. A number of electrical items were removed.Examination of a laptop revealed inaccessible indecent images of children at Categories A, Band C.Admissions have been made by the defendant to his partner who has provided a statement. Every image found statesThis image has been recovered from a 'Thum bs.db' file on the Windows user profile of '********''.Thumbs.db files are generated by the Windows operating system to enable a user of the OS to see athumbnail representation of a number of graphic files in a single location. These 'system' files are notreadily accessible without specialist knowledge. This is from my certificate of convictionaking indecent photographs of children x 18 making indecent photographs of children x 18 SHPO Bearing in mind my offence was for 18 deleted images, how does that translate into a SHPO like this???? 1. Having contact either directly or indirectly with any child under 16 years except: (a) Normal, incidental and not reasonably avoidable in the course of lawful day to day life (b) Contact with the express written approval of Social Services for the area where the defendant is residing (c) Contact with any child to whom the defendant is the biological father and a court order pursuant to the Children's Act 1989 has been granted authorising contact. 2. Residing at any address without prior approval of his Police Offender Manager (SOMU). 3. Possessing or using any computer or device capable of accessing the internet including mobile phones unless: (a)The make model and serial number of the device have been notified to a Police Offender Manager for the area where he resides AND b) It has installed and maintained, monitoring software that is approved and monitored by Greater Manchester Police or any other police force in the area in which he lives. AND c) He does not tamper interfere remove bypass disable alter or attempt to do any of those things to the components or settings relating to the installed risk management software. d) With exception of a device owned and used within a public library -0r internet cafe the details of which he has provided details to his Police Offender Manager. OR The device is used solely for the purposes of work or employment (other than self-employment), is not removed by or on behalf of the Defendant from the employer's premises, internet use of the device is subject to security measures monitored by the employer which are deemed suitable by the Public protection Unit of the Police Force in which he lives .. 4. Taking up employment paid/unpaid (includes elf employment/voluntary work) that will bring him into regular contact with children under 16yrs. 5. Possessing any still or moving image of a child under 16 years old (excluding family members who must have their genitals, buttocks and torso covered) except for televised programmes, commercially produced videos or DVD's and lawful publications such as magazines and catalogues. 6. Taking any visual image of a child under 16yrs except with knowledge and permission of that child's parent or guardian who is aware of his conviction. 7. Possessing any device capable of storing digital images unless he provides the details, make and model of such an item to his Police Offender Manager for the area where he resides and make such a device available for inspection on request. Hi James I feel the same as you do, and agree those orders that have been placed on your SHPO are an absolute joke. If you are willing, I would be interested to know how your solicitor dealt with your case. Did you ever make complaints or take it to legal ombudsman? Did you pay them yourself or was "defense" provided for free? As difficult and frustrating our situations are, you have to remain strong. Do not let them win. The solicitor was a nightmare to be honest, at the time I was in a relationship with a woman who had a 10 year old child. I asked my solicitor (in writing) if I needed to inform police (pre sentencing). he said no and the QC agreed. The woman by the way was fully aware of the charges and was kept updated. Post sentencing I wrote to my solicitor "1-Does this now mean that I can have no contact with ****** youngest without involving the SS (Social Services)?"
My solicitor replied "No - **QC [My QC] explained this at the last hearing. Such contact would be caught within the "normal and incidental" definition"The police found out and I ended up with a caution for following the solicitors advice.... Funny how Solicitors are suppose to give you legal advice yet Police can ignore that advice and simply impose what ever they wish on anyone because they are "the law". What steps have you taken so far since then? Have you filed a complaint? Asked for a subject access request? Asked police to justify their reasons for the caution and not taking legal advice in to account? Did your solicitor not help back up their advice? I really can understand your frustration but as I said in my last post, you have to stay strong and collect as much information as you can. Oh the police were classic - in a recorded interview the Offender Manager verbally stated she know about a smartphone I had. Yet the following year she states in a written statement to the court she doesn't know about it.... Smartphone AdmissionIn a complaint, their supervising officer quoted the human rights act, and the fact it had been a while since the initial recording...... You've piqued my interest with these screen grabs, what's the process to get hold of these?
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+x+x+x+xI'm a registered sex offender, and nearing the end of my tether I just feel like the last 4 and a bit years have been crazy my original conviction was for 17 deleted images and i've been hounded and profiled non stop by greater manchester police and west yorkshire police. At no point can anyone explain to my how such a draconian and onerous order was imposed, no one can tell me about why RvSmith and RvMortimer was ignored. Nor can anyone explain to me why when I travel green notices are issued by forces. It has got to the point where I feel i've been completely mistreated, misrepresented. I just don't know what to do or where to go to progress, I dont know how to move on and find work, I dont to how I can even start work. Last year I approached west yorkshire police I was offered 2 jobs at starbucks and home bargains. I was told that I couldn't start them on the basis that Children would be ordering. or buying sweets etc. This year i'm told, hey you can go for those jobs. Who do I believe or who do I trust when one year they say one thing, and the next another. I just dont know what to do This is from my indictment PROSECUTION ALLEGATIONS AND ISSUES:The police executed a warrant at the defendant's address on 8/8/15. A number of electrical items were removed.Examination of a laptop revealed inaccessible indecent images of children at Categories A, Band C.Admissions have been made by the defendant to his partner who has provided a statement. Every image found statesThis image has been recovered from a 'Thum bs.db' file on the Windows user profile of '********''.Thumbs.db files are generated by the Windows operating system to enable a user of the OS to see athumbnail representation of a number of graphic files in a single location. These 'system' files are notreadily accessible without specialist knowledge. This is from my certificate of convictionaking indecent photographs of children x 18 making indecent photographs of children x 18 SHPO Bearing in mind my offence was for 18 deleted images, how does that translate into a SHPO like this???? 1. Having contact either directly or indirectly with any child under 16 years except: (a) Normal, incidental and not reasonably avoidable in the course of lawful day to day life (b) Contact with the express written approval of Social Services for the area where the defendant is residing (c) Contact with any child to whom the defendant is the biological father and a court order pursuant to the Children's Act 1989 has been granted authorising contact. 2. Residing at any address without prior approval of his Police Offender Manager (SOMU). 3. Possessing or using any computer or device capable of accessing the internet including mobile phones unless: (a)The make model and serial number of the device have been notified to a Police Offender Manager for the area where he resides AND b) It has installed and maintained, monitoring software that is approved and monitored by Greater Manchester Police or any other police force in the area in which he lives. AND c) He does not tamper interfere remove bypass disable alter or attempt to do any of those things to the components or settings relating to the installed risk management software. d) With exception of a device owned and used within a public library -0r internet cafe the details of which he has provided details to his Police Offender Manager. OR The device is used solely for the purposes of work or employment (other than self-employment), is not removed by or on behalf of the Defendant from the employer's premises, internet use of the device is subject to security measures monitored by the employer which are deemed suitable by the Public protection Unit of the Police Force in which he lives .. 4. Taking up employment paid/unpaid (includes elf employment/voluntary work) that will bring him into regular contact with children under 16yrs. 5. Possessing any still or moving image of a child under 16 years old (excluding family members who must have their genitals, buttocks and torso covered) except for televised programmes, commercially produced videos or DVD's and lawful publications such as magazines and catalogues. 6. Taking any visual image of a child under 16yrs except with knowledge and permission of that child's parent or guardian who is aware of his conviction. 7. Possessing any device capable of storing digital images unless he provides the details, make and model of such an item to his Police Offender Manager for the area where he resides and make such a device available for inspection on request. Hi James I feel the same as you do, and agree those orders that have been placed on your SHPO are an absolute joke. If you are willing, I would be interested to know how your solicitor dealt with your case. Did you ever make complaints or take it to legal ombudsman? Did you pay them yourself or was "defense" provided for free? As difficult and frustrating our situations are, you have to remain strong. Do not let them win. The solicitor was a nightmare to be honest, at the time I was in a relationship with a woman who had a 10 year old child. I asked my solicitor (in writing) if I needed to inform police (pre sentencing). he said no and the QC agreed. The woman by the way was fully aware of the charges and was kept updated. Post sentencing I wrote to my solicitor "1-Does this now mean that I can have no contact with ****** youngest without involving the SS (Social Services)?"
My solicitor replied "No - **QC [My QC] explained this at the last hearing. Such contact would be caught within the "normal and incidental" definition"The police found out and I ended up with a caution for following the solicitors advice.... Funny how Solicitors are suppose to give you legal advice yet Police can ignore that advice and simply impose what ever they wish on anyone because they are "the law". What steps have you taken so far since then? Have you filed a complaint? Asked for a subject access request? Asked police to justify their reasons for the caution and not taking legal advice in to account? Did your solicitor not help back up their advice? I really can understand your frustration but as I said in my last post, you have to stay strong and collect as much information as you can. Oh the police were classic - in a recorded interview the Offender Manager verbally stated she know about a smartphone I had. Yet the following year she states in a written statement to the court she doesn't know about it.... Smartphone AdmissionIn a complaint, their supervising officer quoted the human rights act, and the fact it had been a while since the initial recording......
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