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Passwords and Facebook


Passwords and Facebook

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AB2014 - 30 May 22 12:06 PM

As you say, it is Facebook policy rather than law, but if the police tell them, then your account will be closed much faster than if you were an abusive troll.... As xDanx said, if it's not on your SHPO, it's not a breach. You are required to notify your account details, as social media usernames are considered aliases, but there's no requirement to supply passwords. After all, they probably have monitoring software or the right to check other devices, so they will know which sites you have visited and what apps you have on your devices.

If you have an SHPO in force, you are effectively on the SOR anyway (see under "Notification requirements"). As you probably all know, I'm quite a cynic in these matters, and for most offences you can be considered an ex-offender, but generally not for a sexual offence, regardless of the technicalities. As far as I'm concerned, anyone is an ex-offender as soon as they stop offending, just as an ex-smoker is someone who has stopped smoking. However, many people see it more along the lines of drug/alcohol addiction, where you can never be an ex-addict.

For me you have to be cynical when it comes down to the PPU, as they do have a habit of saying one thing, doing another or changing their minds entirely. 
I am fortunate that I have been open about my offences to my family and these are the people I live with, so just as PPU come in pairs, I don't deal with them on my own either; and acts kinda as a way of a witness when they say they did x y z when they never. 


I have met many people who believe just because you are an RSO automatically means you cannot control yourself with children and automatically want to do contact offences which is wrong and by a long stretch. 

I have to agree to the definition of ex offender though, and I think this is a good description. 

My SHPO says I have to disclose passwords to them if asked, but this is because when I got interviewed they wanted my passwords so I refused and pretty much told them to give me a section 49 notice 😂. 

Its worth noting though, if they ask for your passwords and you don't give them they can apply under RIPA to get a Section 49 notice to get them out of you or face up to 2 years inside. 

For me personally, The 2003 act is now becoming vast out of date unfortuantely, the law always plays catch up just like the computer misuse act. :/ 
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Another prime example of interpretation.

I’ve never been asked for online usernames, it’s also very evident from my history on my phone etc that I use forums. Etc.

I remember my very first chat with PPU when I was placed on the SOR and they said they didint want anything like that as they could see what I was doing from my history.

The legislation only says “name” no mention of online.

However the guidance PDF document does include “online”.

Again though, “name online” to me would mean for example I was called Adam and started using the name Ian.

A actual username to me is different to name.

So all PPU seem to interpret differently and that’s not just for this either. There’s loads of examples out there.
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xDanx - 28 May 22 8:34 PM
Mo22 - 28 May 22 6:23 PM
Hi guys. Are you allowed to use Facebook while on a shpo? Also do you have to give the ppu your passwords for like emails etc.

If you are registered as a Sex Offender then Facebook has a policy in place that states registered Sex Offenders may not use the platform and may be banned. This however, is not a crime and your PPU may report this to Facebook but it is not his job to police.
If you have a SHPO that does not prohibit you from using social media then using Facebook will not breach your SHPO, however. Your PPU may add Facebook use to his notes to determine the risk you pose, should you have contact restrictions with in the SHPO.
If you have a SHPO but are not on the SOR, then I believe your not classed as a Sex Offender (correct me if I am wrong) which means you can freely use Facebook. You just have to make devices available for inspection when they come to do their "checks"

When I was arrested I was told to give my passwords, which I did because I was not clued up with my rights. I have since changed my passwords for everything and no longer use Facebook. But as far as I am aware right now, A SHPO does not give powers to obtain passwords nor is it a requirement on the SOR. So no, do not give your passwords for anything to them.

As you say, it is Facebook policy rather than law, but if the police tell them, then your account will be closed much faster than if you were an abusive troll.... As xDanx said, if it's not on your SHPO, it's not a breach. You are required to notify your account details, as social media usernames are considered aliases, but there's no requirement to supply passwords. After all, they probably have monitoring software or the right to check other devices, so they will know which sites you have visited and what apps you have on your devices.

If you have an SHPO in force, you are effectively on the SOR anyway (see under "Notification requirements"). As you probably all know, I'm quite a cynic in these matters, and for most offences you can be considered an ex-offender, but generally not for a sexual offence, regardless of the technicalities. As far as I'm concerned, anyone is an ex-offender as soon as they stop offending, just as an ex-smoker is someone who has stopped smoking. However, many people see it more along the lines of drug/alcohol addiction, where you can never be an ex-addict.

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xDanx - 28 May 22 8:34 PM
Mo22 - 28 May 22 6:23 PM
Hi guys. Are you allowed to use Facebook while on a shpo? Also do you have to give the ppu your passwords for like emails etc.

If you are registered as a Sex Offender then Facebook has a policy in place that states registered Sex Offenders may not use the platform and may be banned. This however, is not a crime and your PPU may report this to Facebook but it is not his job to police.
If you have a SHPO that does not prohibit you from using social media then using Facebook will not breach your SHPO, however. Your PPU may add Facebook use to his notes to determine the risk you pose, should you have contact restrictions with in the SHPO.
If you have a SHPO but are not on the SOR, then I believe your not classed as a Sex Offender (correct me if I am wrong) which means you can freely use Facebook. You just have to make devices available for inspection when they come to do their "checks"

When I was arrested I was told to give my passwords, which I did because I was not clued up with my rights. I have since changed my passwords for everything and no longer use Facebook. But as far as I am aware right now, A SHPO does not give powers to obtain passwords nor is it a requirement on the SOR. So no, do not give your passwords for anything to them.

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Some PPU areas will have local procedures that means you will be asked and they believe it is under "risk assessment".
I simply replied asking why as I have no applicable conditions requiring me to and I change them regularly so they would be outdated when they leave.
So why? 

Be confident but polite and feel free to ask questions so you are safe.

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Mo22 - 28 May 22 6:23 PM
Hi guys. Are you allowed to use Facebook while on a shpo? Also do you have to give the ppu your passwords for like emails etc.

If you are registered as a Sex Offender then Facebook has a policy in place that states registered Sex Offenders may not use the platform and may be banned. This however, is not a crime and your PPU may report this to Facebook but it is not his job to police.
If you have a SHPO that does not prohibit you from using social media then using Facebook will not breach your SHPO, however. Your PPU may add Facebook use to his notes to determine the risk you pose, should you have contact restrictions with in the SHPO.
If you have a SHPO but are not on the SOR, then I believe your not classed as a Sex Offender (correct me if I am wrong) which means you can freely use Facebook. You just have to make devices available for inspection when they come to do their "checks"

When I was arrested I was told to give my passwords, which I did because I was not clued up with my rights. I have since changed my passwords for everything and no longer use Facebook. But as far as I am aware right now, A SHPO does not give powers to obtain passwords nor is it a requirement on the SOR. So no, do not give your passwords for anything to them.

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Hi guys. Are you allowed to use Facebook while on a shpo? Also do you have to give the ppu your passwords for like emails etc.
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