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- No UK register obligations
- British-like culture, intertwined with British economy. London-linked work from home opportunities exist. Dublin is like an extremely chill version of London.
- Slightly diminished Google Effect (UK stories don't cling to the top of Google the same way , I find)
- Clean criminal record by default (ok if you say you're a British citizen they may ask for the British record but there's a chance they may not or may forget)
- Convenient port of call for spontaneous unnotified onward travel (e.g. USA), which after many months there is not narratively suspicious in the eyes of UK police, and if it is, who cares - you're in Ireland?.
- Can slip in and out the UK potentially without notification, although you'd be breaching the law if more than 3 days
- Within easy reach of all you hold dear. Even your own British family will not feel too abandoned by your move to Ireland.
- It's a comprehensive, civilised nation state, not a weird colony.
Moreover.... - Vote
- Draw benefits and pensions
- Live there indefinitely
Granted.. - They allegedly have their own SOR which they expect permanent foreign residents to sign up to, but do you really need to announce this? Just by hanging around Ireland longer than usual? Also it's a very threadbare thing, not like the British one.
It's what I'd be doing right now if I was on the SOR for life. A little cottage near the border. Whenever I read all these stories along the lines "oh well my work coach this or that, my PPU will eventually let me do this or that" -- I just keep thinking "good God please just get out from under it, do yourself a favour, go live with your uncle in Spain, anything". Of course we don't all have uncles in Spain, but we do have Ireland.
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punter99
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+x- No UK register obligations
- British-like culture, intertwined with British economy. London-linked work from home opportunities exist. Dublin is like an extremely chill version of London.
- Slightly diminished Google Effect (UK stories don't cling to the top of Google the same way , I find)
- Clean criminal record by default (ok if you say you're a British citizen they may ask for the British record but there's a chance they may not or may forget)
- Convenient port of call for spontaneous unnotified onward travel (e.g. USA), which after many months there is not narratively suspicious in the eyes of UK police, and if it is, who cares - you're in Ireland?.
- Can slip in and out the UK potentially without notification, although you'd be breaching the law if more than 3 days
- Within easy reach of all you hold dear. Even your own British family will not feel too abandoned by your move to Ireland.
- It's a comprehensive, civilised nation state, not a weird colony.
Moreover.... - Vote
- Draw benefits and pensions
- Live there indefinitely
Granted.. - They allegedly have their own SOR which they expect permanent foreign residents to sign up to, but do you really need to announce this? Just by hanging around Ireland longer than usual? Also it's a very threadbare thing, not like the British one.
It's what I'd be doing right now if I was on the SOR for life. A little cottage near the border. Whenever I read all these stories along the lines "oh well my work coach this or that, my PPU will eventually let me do this or that" -- I just keep thinking "good God please just get out from under it, do yourself a favour, go live with your uncle in Spain, anything". Of course we don't all have uncles in Spain, but we do have Ireland. There is a housing shortage in Ireland, but assuming you did buy a property, then the issue of residency would probably arise.
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Stersco83
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+x+x- No UK register obligations
- British-like culture, intertwined with British economy. London-linked work from home opportunities exist. Dublin is like an extremely chill version of London.
- Slightly diminished Google Effect (UK stories don't cling to the top of Google the same way , I find)
- Clean criminal record by default (ok if you say you're a British citizen they may ask for the British record but there's a chance they may not or may forget)
- Convenient port of call for spontaneous unnotified onward travel (e.g. USA), which after many months there is not narratively suspicious in the eyes of UK police, and if it is, who cares - you're in Ireland?.
- Can slip in and out the UK potentially without notification, although you'd be breaching the law if more than 3 days
- Within easy reach of all you hold dear. Even your own British family will not feel too abandoned by your move to Ireland.
- It's a comprehensive, civilised nation state, not a weird colony.
Moreover.... - Vote
- Draw benefits and pensions
- Live there indefinitely
Granted.. - They allegedly have their own SOR which they expect permanent foreign residents to sign up to, but do you really need to announce this? Just by hanging around Ireland longer than usual? Also it's a very threadbare thing, not like the British one.
It's what I'd be doing right now if I was on the SOR for life. A little cottage near the border. Whenever I read all these stories along the lines "oh well my work coach this or that, my PPU will eventually let me do this or that" -- I just keep thinking "good God please just get out from under it, do yourself a favour, go live with your uncle in Spain, anything". Of course we don't all have uncles in Spain, but we do have Ireland. There is a housing shortage in Ireland, but assuming you did buy a property, then the issue of residency would probably arise. Ok, but I fail to see what would prompt any kind of registration.
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Richard
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+x+x+x- No UK register obligations
- British-like culture, intertwined with British economy. London-linked work from home opportunities exist. Dublin is like an extremely chill version of London.
- Slightly diminished Google Effect (UK stories don't cling to the top of Google the same way , I find)
- Clean criminal record by default (ok if you say you're a British citizen they may ask for the British record but there's a chance they may not or may forget)
- Convenient port of call for spontaneous unnotified onward travel (e.g. USA), which after many months there is not narratively suspicious in the eyes of UK police, and if it is, who cares - you're in Ireland?.
- Can slip in and out the UK potentially without notification, although you'd be breaching the law if more than 3 days
- Within easy reach of all you hold dear. Even your own British family will not feel too abandoned by your move to Ireland.
- It's a comprehensive, civilised nation state, not a weird colony.
Moreover.... - Vote
- Draw benefits and pensions
- Live there indefinitely
Granted.. - They allegedly have their own SOR which they expect permanent foreign residents to sign up to, but do you really need to announce this? Just by hanging around Ireland longer than usual? Also it's a very threadbare thing, not like the British one.
It's what I'd be doing right now if I was on the SOR for life. A little cottage near the border. Whenever I read all these stories along the lines "oh well my work coach this or that, my PPU will eventually let me do this or that" -- I just keep thinking "good God please just get out from under it, do yourself a favour, go live with your uncle in Spain, anything". Of course we don't all have uncles in Spain, but we do have Ireland. There is a housing shortage in Ireland, but assuming you did buy a property, then the issue of residency would probably arise. Ok, but I fail to see what would prompt any kind of registration. Never considered Ireland to live but visited before and it is a lovely country. I have considered moving somewhere remote in the UK at one point after my conviction. A big part of me wanted to escape and start somewhere where no one knew me.
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AB2014
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+x+x- No UK register obligations
- British-like culture, intertwined with British economy. London-linked work from home opportunities exist. Dublin is like an extremely chill version of London.
- Slightly diminished Google Effect (UK stories don't cling to the top of Google the same way , I find)
- Clean criminal record by default (ok if you say you're a British citizen they may ask for the British record but there's a chance they may not or may forget)
- Convenient port of call for spontaneous unnotified onward travel (e.g. USA), which after many months there is not narratively suspicious in the eyes of UK police, and if it is, who cares - you're in Ireland?.
- Can slip in and out the UK potentially without notification, although you'd be breaching the law if more than 3 days
- Within easy reach of all you hold dear. Even your own British family will not feel too abandoned by your move to Ireland.
- It's a comprehensive, civilised nation state, not a weird colony.
Moreover.... - Vote
- Draw benefits and pensions
- Live there indefinitely
Granted.. - They allegedly have their own SOR which they expect permanent foreign residents to sign up to, but do you really need to announce this? Just by hanging around Ireland longer than usual? Also it's a very threadbare thing, not like the British one.
It's what I'd be doing right now if I was on the SOR for life. A little cottage near the border. Whenever I read all these stories along the lines "oh well my work coach this or that, my PPU will eventually let me do this or that" -- I just keep thinking "good God please just get out from under it, do yourself a favour, go live with your uncle in Spain, anything". Of course we don't all have uncles in Spain, but we do have Ireland. There is a housing shortage in Ireland, but assuming you did buy a property, then the issue of residency would probably arise. Under the Common Travel Area agreements, UK citizens have the right to travel freely to and within Ireland and live there for as long as they want.
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If you are to punish a man retributively you must injure him. If you are to reform him you must improve him. And men are not improved by injuries. (George Bernard Shaw)
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punter99
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Notwithstanding the right to move to Ireland if you are a UK citizen, you would still be required to register with their police within 3 days of arriving in the country. https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/criminal-law/criminal-trial/sex-offenders-register/
Do these notification requirements apply to someone convicted outside the State?Yes. If you are convicted of a sexual offence outside Ireland and that offence is a sexual offence in Ireland, you are subject to the same Garda notification requirements if you come to live in Ireland. If you fail to notify the Gardaí of your details, the Gardaí can prosecute you for non-compliance with the requirements.
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AB2014
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+xNotwithstanding the right to move to Ireland if you are a UK citizen, you would still be required to register with their police within 3 days of arriving in the country. https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/criminal-law/criminal-trial/sex-offenders-register/
Do these notification requirements apply to someone convicted outside the State?Yes. If you are convicted of a sexual offence outside Ireland and that offence is a sexual offence in Ireland, you are subject to the same Garda notification requirements if you come to live in Ireland. If you fail to notify the Gardaí of your details, the Gardaí can prosecute you for non-compliance with the requirements. I had a cellmate many years ago who just decided to move to Ireland while on the SOR, but didn't notify the police over here. It wasn't a problem in Ireland, even though he didn't tell the Gardai, as the police over here tracked him down to Ireland and asked the Gardai to find him and arrest him. They found his "hideout" by checking his website and looking him up in the phone book. The arresting officer said that if he'd just notified them, they wouldn't have bothered him. Even the judge in the extradition court said that if he opposed the application to deport him, he would reject it and that would be the end of it forever. That was in 2008, though, so things might have changed since then. Just not on the scale of hysteria we've seen over here.
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If you are to punish a man retributively you must injure him. If you are to reform him you must improve him. And men are not improved by injuries. (George Bernard Shaw)
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Stersco83
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+xNotwithstanding the right to move to Ireland if you are a UK citizen, you would still be required to register with their police within 3 days of arriving in the country. Probably not, no? I just came back from a week in Ireland having notified UK police beforehand, flight and all, and nobody had even informed me that Ireland even has a SOR! So either I didn't need to register, neither British or Irish authorities made me register or told me I must, and so I presume at least cannot be held accountable. So if indeed indeed I am supposed to be on the Ireland SOR, nobody has yet brought it to my attention. That's what prompted this post. I wondered "why don't I just stay here forever?" Yes I don't deny the literature you just showed me, but what I'm saying is, it looks as if the occasion never arises where you become forced to register in Ireland under threat of prosecution. In Britain they sit you down, tell you a Register exists, and that you must do such and such. That situation never arises in Ireland if you're just wandering in from the UK. You set foot in Ireland, be in Ireland, that's the whole process.
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Stersco83
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+x+xNotwithstanding the right to move to Ireland if you are a UK citizen, you would still be required to register with their police within 3 days of arriving in the country. https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/criminal-law/criminal-trial/sex-offenders-register/
Do these notification requirements apply to someone convicted outside the State?Yes. If you are convicted of a sexual offence outside Ireland and that offence is a sexual offence in Ireland, you are subject to the same Garda notification requirements if you come to live in Ireland. If you fail to notify the Gardaí of your details, the Gardaí can prosecute you for non-compliance with the requirements. I had a cellmate many years ago who just decided to move to Ireland while on the SOR, but didn't notify the police over here. It wasn't a problem in Ireland, even though he didn't tell the Gardai, as the police over here tracked him down to Ireland and asked the Gardai to find him and arrest him. They found his "hideout" by checking his website and looking him up in the phone book. The arresting officer said that if he'd just notified them, they wouldn't have bothered him. Even the judge in the extradition court said that if he opposed the application to deport him, he would reject it and that would be the end of it forever. That was in 2008, though, so things might have changed since then. Just not on the scale of hysteria we've seen over here. Ok but your story is about a man being tracked down by British police, having gone to Ireland and failed the British register. I'm talking about going to Ireland legit (notifying UK authorities), as if on holiday, no funny business. One key takeaway is, you notify British police that you're going to Ireland, without saying where or how long, this doesn't bring any Irish heat on you. They don't make you register in Ireland, unless you come to their attention somehow as an SO maybe. Go for a duly notified permanent vacation with your auntie in County Cork, live normally and freely. Mmmmaybe say it's open ended in terms of time span and don't announce the auntie's address, just initial hotels etc. Guys...if you don't believe me, try it. Book a full week in Ireland, notifying in advance, but say you don't know the return date, and use unplanned impromptu hotels etc that you don't notify in advance. Nobody will sit you down and tell you about any Irish register. And when you're there, ask yourself why the hell you can't just stay there.
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AB2014
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+x+x+xNotwithstanding the right to move to Ireland if you are a UK citizen, you would still be required to register with their police within 3 days of arriving in the country. https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/criminal-law/criminal-trial/sex-offenders-register/
Do these notification requirements apply to someone convicted outside the State?Yes. If you are convicted of a sexual offence outside Ireland and that offence is a sexual offence in Ireland, you are subject to the same Garda notification requirements if you come to live in Ireland. If you fail to notify the Gardaí of your details, the Gardaí can prosecute you for non-compliance with the requirements. I had a cellmate many years ago who just decided to move to Ireland while on the SOR, but didn't notify the police over here. It wasn't a problem in Ireland, even though he didn't tell the Gardai, as the police over here tracked him down to Ireland and asked the Gardai to find him and arrest him. They found his "hideout" by checking his website and looking him up in the phone book. The arresting officer said that if he'd just notified them, they wouldn't have bothered him. Even the judge in the extradition court said that if he opposed the application to deport him, he would reject it and that would be the end of it forever. That was in 2008, though, so things might have changed since then. Just not on the scale of hysteria we've seen over here. Ok but your story is about a man being tracked down by British police, having gone to Ireland and failed the British register. I'm talking about going to Ireland legit (notifying UK authorities), as if on holiday, no funny business. One key takeaway is, you notify British police that you're going to Ireland, without saying where or how long, this doesn't bring any Irish heat on you. They don't make you register in Ireland, unless you come to their attention somehow as an SO maybe. Go for a duly notified permanent vacation with your auntie in County Cork, live normally and freely. Mmmmaybe say it's open ended in terms of time span and don't announce the auntie's address, just initial hotels etc. Guys...if you don't believe me, try it. Book a full week in Ireland, notifying in advance, but say you don't know the return date, and use unplanned impromptu hotels etc that you don't notify in advance. Nobody will sit you down and tell you about any Irish register. And when you're there, ask yourself why the hell you can't just stay there. Yes, it was about someone who had breached his requirements and was living abroad. The main point, though, was that the arresting officer said that if he had just registered with them, they wouldn't have bothered him at all. It sounded like it was a formality so they could say they had Done Something, but they didn't go any further than taking details and just let people get on with their lives. He might still have been extradited for that breach of requirements, but if he'd turned up legally and just registered, there would have been no repercussions for him.
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If you are to punish a man retributively you must injure him. If you are to reform him you must improve him. And men are not improved by injuries. (George Bernard Shaw)
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