punter99
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+x+xWe may have a very interesting 21st Century problem. Could 'ChatGPT Effect' become the new 'Google Effect'? ChatGPT - https://chat.openai.com/chatKhafka, you might be a good test subject. (Or anyone who is still Google-able now to see if it is the case.) I've just ChatGPT'd my name and it's come up with a response and linking to newspapers. Now that you've been successful in De-Googling, if you ChatGPT yourself, so to speak, do you still come up? Everyone else, do you come up in results? If you type: 'Who is NAME from LOCATION' You can allow it web access (button at the bottom). This could then also be the case with each of the ChatGPT-type models, especially if people move away from Googling, such as Elon Musk's Grok and Google's Gemini. I gave it a wee go although I couldn't seem to see the web access button at the bottom so this might not be accurate. I tried two variations and got nothing back for either. Click To Enlarge When I tried to be a bit more specific and initially just added 'sex' at the end it freaked out and said they're not allowed to do stuff like that - So changed it to 'sex offender' and it doesn't really give much. It scrapes the net, but only from a fixed point in the past, so presumably if a conviction were still Googleable in Jan 2022, then it would show up, even if the details were removed from Google searches after 2022.
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khafka
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+x+x+xWe may have a very interesting 21st Century problem. Could 'ChatGPT Effect' become the new 'Google Effect'? ChatGPT - https://chat.openai.com/chatKhafka, you might be a good test subject. (Or anyone who is still Google-able now to see if it is the case.) I've just ChatGPT'd my name and it's come up with a response and linking to newspapers. Now that you've been successful in De-Googling, if you ChatGPT yourself, so to speak, do you still come up? Everyone else, do you come up in results? If you type: 'Who is NAME from LOCATION' You can allow it web access (button at the bottom). This could then also be the case with each of the ChatGPT-type models, especially if people move away from Googling, such as Elon Musk's Grok and Google's Gemini. I gave it a wee go although I couldn't seem to see the web access button at the bottom so this might not be accurate. I tried two variations and got nothing back for either. Click To Enlarge When I tried to be a bit more specific and initially just added 'sex' at the end it freaked out and said they're not allowed to do stuff like that - So changed it to 'sex offender' and it doesn't really give much. It scrapes the net, but only from a fixed point in the past, so presumably if a conviction were still Googleable in Jan 2022, then it would show up, even if the details were removed from Google searches after 2022. Ah okay, cool. Well there's the outcome for me anyway. I'm more than happy to try these wee experiments in the hopes that they can hopefully help or inform people.
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Mr W
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+x+x+xWe may have a very interesting 21st Century problem. Could 'ChatGPT Effect' become the new 'Google Effect'? ChatGPT - https://chat.openai.com/chatKhafka, you might be a good test subject. (Or anyone who is still Google-able now to see if it is the case.) I've just ChatGPT'd my name and it's come up with a response and linking to newspapers. Now that you've been successful in De-Googling, if you ChatGPT yourself, so to speak, do you still come up? Everyone else, do you come up in results? If you type: 'Who is NAME from LOCATION' You can allow it web access (button at the bottom). This could then also be the case with each of the ChatGPT-type models, especially if people move away from Googling, such as Elon Musk's Grok and Google's Gemini. I gave it a wee go although I couldn't seem to see the web access button at the bottom so this might not be accurate. I tried two variations and got nothing back for either. Click To Enlarge When I tried to be a bit more specific and initially just added 'sex' at the end it freaked out and said they're not allowed to do stuff like that - So changed it to 'sex offender' and it doesn't really give much. It scrapes the net, but only from a fixed point in the past, so presumably if a conviction were still Googleable in Jan 2022, then it would show up, even if the details were removed from Google searches after 2022. That's why the "web access" option is interesting because it does have access to the live internet. To test, I just asked it about a share price in Feb 2024 and it was correct.
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Mr W
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+x+x+x+xWe may have a very interesting 21st Century problem. Could 'ChatGPT Effect' become the new 'Google Effect'? ChatGPT - https://chat.openai.com/chatKhafka, you might be a good test subject. (Or anyone who is still Google-able now to see if it is the case.) I've just ChatGPT'd my name and it's come up with a response and linking to newspapers. Now that you've been successful in De-Googling, if you ChatGPT yourself, so to speak, do you still come up? Everyone else, do you come up in results? If you type: 'Who is NAME from LOCATION' You can allow it web access (button at the bottom). This could then also be the case with each of the ChatGPT-type models, especially if people move away from Googling, such as Elon Musk's Grok and Google's Gemini. I gave it a wee go although I couldn't seem to see the web access button at the bottom so this might not be accurate. I tried two variations and got nothing back for either. Click To Enlarge When I tried to be a bit more specific and initially just added 'sex' at the end it freaked out and said they're not allowed to do stuff like that - So changed it to 'sex offender' and it doesn't really give much. It scrapes the net, but only from a fixed point in the past, so presumably if a conviction were still Googleable in Jan 2022, then it would show up, even if the details were removed from Google searches after 2022. Ah okay, cool. Well there's the outcome for me anyway. I'm more than happy to try these wee experiments in the hopes that they can hopefully help or inform people. Thanks for doing this. It'll be interesting to know how many it does affect, because I wonder if this affects the 'right to be forgotten'.
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tedstriker
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After successfully applying to have links about me removed I have searched and noticed one news story has changed it's URL and so still appears after I applied and was approved. Anyone with any experience of this?
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+xAfter successfully applying to have links about me removed I have searched and noticed one news story has changed it's URL and so still appears after I applied and was approved. Anyone with any experience of this? Not directly, but as you already have a decision in your favour, you should be able to quote your reference and ask them to add the new URL.
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If you are to punish a man retributively you must injure him. If you are to reform him you must improve him. And men are not improved by injuries. (George Bernard Shaw)
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+xAfter successfully applying to have links about me removed I have searched and noticed one news story has changed it's URL and so still appears after I applied and was approved. Anyone with any experience of this? I don't have experience specifically with this, but being somewhat of a techie, I can say that it's not completely uncommon for URLs to change slightly during software/website updates. So this may not be a "malicious" targetting of you as such, and in fact is rather unlikely to be such. Much more likely that it's a changed URL that's been relisted by the search engine as it didn't meet the exact URLs submitted in your request. Submitting another RTBF request with the new link should be sufficient to have it delisted, although I appreciate will mean going through the semi-lengthy process again. I'd include any reference number or such you might have made a note of from the previous request too, just to potentially speed things up.
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khafka
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+xAfter successfully applying to have links about me removed I have searched and noticed one news story has changed it's URL and so still appears after I applied and was approved. Anyone with any experience of this? I had a couple pop up every now and then but they're no hassle to get removed. Just reply to the removal confirmation email from Google saying "I have found the following URL(s) that need to be removed" and then just paste the URLs. They're fairly quick at getting back to you and you don't have to fill out the form or anything again. I've had a 100% success rate with this so out of about 5 or 6 links and they're gone within about 2 days of emailing.
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tedstriker
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Thanks. My concern was whether Google were back to notifying those whose links were removed and so they’d just changed the url to be awkward. This url didn’t appear at first and it’s only been a couple of days since my request. What I think is probably more likely is there were 2 urls for the story originally (the original page still exists) and Google had disregarded the new one. Once the irl had been removed the new one then appeared in search results.
I replied to the email with the new url and it was gone within an hour or two.
Its a bit of a crazy feeling putting your name into google and nothing appearing after 15 years of worry.
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khafka
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+xThanks. My concern was whether Google were back to notifying those whose links were removed and so they’d just changed the url to be awkward. This url didn’t appear at first and it’s only been a couple of days since my request. What I think is probably more likely is there were 2 urls for the story originally (the original page still exists) and Google had disregarded the new one. Once the irl had been removed the new one then appeared in search results. I replied to the email with the new url and it was gone within an hour or two.Its a bit of a crazy feeling putting your name into google and nothing appearing after 15 years of worry. No problem! Happy it worked for you too! I just keep that email chain so there is a clear of removals being accepted for when I reply. Thankfully I wasn't as long as yourself, I was only about 4 years I was showing up on Google. Gives a weird peace of mind now though.
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