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+x+x+x+xI was just in my first year of my 10 SOR when i visited the Philippines to see my friend and family, which was great. A big birthday was planned 2 months later so I decided to go back to attend. Many arrangements were made for me by the family and I went to Manila.........only to get the shock of my life and was denied entry. I have posted on here before about this experience, and i do not wish it on anyone. I broke down in tears (yes men in their 60's do !!) and was put back on the plane to the UK. So as well as trying to explain to friends and family why I came back early, I do not want to repeat this experience. So what now? I am sponsoring a friend in Bohol (the island hit by the typhoon on 17th December 21) and am desperate to go there to help him rebuild the house we built together (my money, his design and his project management). Obviously with covid it is impossible anyway, but what for the future? My PPU officer knows how clean and honest i am and no Green notice should be issued for any of my trips, but what of the Philippines Immigration? Will they have me on their records and refuse me a second time? Anyone with experience of this? Hi Harry, I have a couple of questions about your last trip to the Philippines Did you have a conversation with your PPU, before leaving, and did you ask them, if they had any objections or concerns about you going there? You say no green notice "should" be issued. Is that because you have been told by the ppu that they have officially classified you as low risk, and that they would not issue a green notice, or is it because you regard yourself as being low risk, which is a very different thing. It is perfectly possible, for a low risk person to be issued with a green notice, if they are visiting a high risk country. But it would depend on the opinion of their ppu, who can choose whether to issue the notice or not. Hi and thanks for reply. My previous PPU officer was ok with me and I had no problem visiting my friend. I do not remember having a conversation with him or asking him, maybe as it was the beginning of my SOR I did not know how to deal with travel. So I was just one year into the 10 yr SOR and was nieve. When i said I thought it was wrong a green notice was probably issued against me, it is because from offending online to starting my suspended sentence, I had changed 100% and managed to deal with the porn addiction. In their mind maybe they thought differently, but no one asked why I was going back. My current PPU officer only visits once a year to check on me. As I said before, I have never been a risk to physically harming anyone, but pleaded guilty to to online actions. I fully understand despite how I may have changed and even if I had the full support of my PPU officer, that going to a country with high levels of child abuse could still result in a refusal. I do feel that those of us that view under 18 year old images are damned as it is considered that we will then hop over to an asian country and physically abuse children. I find that a really sick thing to imply. Hi I do feel that those of us that view under 18 year old images are damned as it is considered that we will then hop over to an Asian country and physically abuse children. I find that a really sick thing to imply.
It is not only image viewing that fall into this presumption. Unfortunately I am of the belief it is the perception that fuels the "distrust" against a SO. In my case I have been to SE Asia circa 8 times; even whilst on bail, no offences or accusations, but "society" have their own belief on every ex-SO is a SO no matter the offence, even if it is not proved. Ask a stranger why a man (or woman) goes to SE Asia. Well the reason I love Asia is I love the different cultures and the people are normally very kind. To say that sex is the main reason people go to Asia is simply grossly wrong. I went to China alone 8 and 10 years ago to explore the country and push myself into an area of travel that was alien for me. I made friends who I still have today. I think it is horrible that people relate to countries like Thailand, Philippines, Vietnam etc as a place to go for sex tourists. That, I might suggest is a minority. I am a traveller and have never taken that view and never will. It is important to respect everyone is this world.
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+xGiven that we already have a provision for foreign travel bans, as part of an SHPO, you would think that anyone who was considered at risk of offending abroad, would have that written into their SHPO. That would leave the rest of us free to travel, without being under constant suspicion and risk of harassment. The system of Interpol notices, would then act as a backup, to cover situations where a new risk was identified, that had not been picked up at the original trial. Instead, the PPU are free to imagine any risk they choose and to act disproportionately to address it, in contravention of the R v Smith proportionality rules. If I read this correctly Harry, then you went to the Philippines without discussing it with the PPU first. You would have told the sergeant at your local police station, where you were going and filled in the forms. That information was subsequently picked up by the PPU. They may have been aware that you had a friend there, but they did not attempt to contact you, to discuss why you were going there. They may have just seen the word 'Philippines' on the computer and issued a green notice automatically, without thinking any more about it. This really highlights the importance of keeping in contact with the PPU, particularly if they only visit once a year. The police are not under any obligation to reach out to you and discuss your reasons for going abroad. You cannot assume, that they are going to be ok with you travelling, you should always ask them first. If they don't respond, then do not go. Their silence should not be taken as tacit approval. Before going back there, you may want to check with Interpol first, to see if there are any notices outstanding. But you should still consult the PPU as well. https://www.interpol.int/en/Who-we-are/Commission-for-the-Control-of-INTERPOL-s-Files-CCF/How-to-submit-a-request Yes thank you for your thoughts. I think looking back, I may not have told him why I was going back and as it was within my first year, he really didn't know me. Now I have a good relationship with my PPU who trusts me 100% and knows my lifestyle and my contacts overseas, so I always discuss travel with him first. He likes the fact that I am totally honest with him. I have no reason to lie and I did too much of that while being married (thats another story !!), so now I am always honest and a better person - well I was never a bad person, I just had a gay porn addiction. It is a shame Interpol do not inform the person that a Notice will be issued though. It certainly would save a lot of stress and heartbreak for people. I would have simply cancelled the flight.
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+x+xGiven that we already have a provision for foreign travel bans, as part of an SHPO, you would think that anyone who was considered at risk of offending abroad, would have that written into their SHPO. That would leave the rest of us free to travel, without being under constant suspicion and risk of harassment. The system of Interpol notices, would then act as a backup, to cover situations where a new risk was identified, that had not been picked up at the original trial. Instead, the PPU are free to imagine any risk they choose and to act disproportionately to address it, in contravention of the R v Smith proportionality rules. If I read this correctly Harry, then you went to the Philippines without discussing it with the PPU first. You would have told the sergeant at your local police station, where you were going and filled in the forms. That information was subsequently picked up by the PPU. They may have been aware that you had a friend there, but they did not attempt to contact you, to discuss why you were going there. They may have just seen the word 'Philippines' on the computer and issued a green notice automatically, without thinking any more about it. This really highlights the importance of keeping in contact with the PPU, particularly if they only visit once a year. The police are not under any obligation to reach out to you and discuss your reasons for going abroad. You cannot assume, that they are going to be ok with you travelling, you should always ask them first. If they don't respond, then do not go. Their silence should not be taken as tacit approval. Before going back there, you may want to check with Interpol first, to see if there are any notices outstanding. But you should still consult the PPU as well. https://www.interpol.int/en/Who-we-are/Commission-for-the-Control-of-INTERPOL-s-Files-CCF/How-to-submit-a-request Yes thank you for your thoughts. I think looking back, I may not have told him why I was going back and as it was within my first year, he really didn't know me. Now I have a good relationship with my PPU who trusts me 100% and knows my lifestyle and my contacts overseas, so I always discuss travel with him first. He likes the fact that I am totally honest with him. I have no reason to lie and I did too much of that while being married (thats another story !!), so now I am always honest and a better person - well I was never a bad person, I just had a gay porn addiction. It is a shame Interpol do not inform the person that a Notice will be issued though. It certainly would save a lot of stress and heartbreak for people. I would have simply cancelled the flight. I think it's probably stretching things a bit far, to say that any PPU trusts someone 100%. They are trained to build rapport with people, in order to get those people to disclose potentially useful information. They are always wary of being manipulated by offenders, because they have been trained to believe, that all SO are compulsive liars. They tend to keep their true feelings to themselves, even if they appear friendly on the outside. But, none of that should stop you from asking them straightforward questions, such as: "If I were to travel to the Philippines, would you issue a green notice, yes or no?"
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+x+x+x+x+xI was just in my first year of my 10 SOR when i visited the Philippines to see my friend and family, which was great. A big birthday was planned 2 months later so I decided to go back to attend. Many arrangements were made for me by the family and I went to Manila.........only to get the shock of my life and was denied entry. I have posted on here before about this experience, and i do not wish it on anyone. I broke down in tears (yes men in their 60's do !!) and was put back on the plane to the UK. So as well as trying to explain to friends and family why I came back early, I do not want to repeat this experience. So what now? I am sponsoring a friend in Bohol (the island hit by the typhoon on 17th December 21) and am desperate to go there to help him rebuild the house we built together (my money, his design and his project management). Obviously with covid it is impossible anyway, but what for the future? My PPU officer knows how clean and honest i am and no Green notice should be issued for any of my trips, but what of the Philippines Immigration? Will they have me on their records and refuse me a second time? Anyone with experience of this? Hi Harry, I have a couple of questions about your last trip to the Philippines Did you have a conversation with your PPU, before leaving, and did you ask them, if they had any objections or concerns about you going there? You say no green notice "should" be issued. Is that because you have been told by the ppu that they have officially classified you as low risk, and that they would not issue a green notice, or is it because you regard yourself as being low risk, which is a very different thing. It is perfectly possible, for a low risk person to be issued with a green notice, if they are visiting a high risk country. But it would depend on the opinion of their ppu, who can choose whether to issue the notice or not. Hi and thanks for reply. My previous PPU officer was ok with me and I had no problem visiting my friend. I do not remember having a conversation with him or asking him, maybe as it was the beginning of my SOR I did not know how to deal with travel. So I was just one year into the 10 yr SOR and was nieve. When i said I thought it was wrong a green notice was probably issued against me, it is because from offending online to starting my suspended sentence, I had changed 100% and managed to deal with the porn addiction. In their mind maybe they thought differently, but no one asked why I was going back. My current PPU officer only visits once a year to check on me. As I said before, I have never been a risk to physically harming anyone, but pleaded guilty to to online actions. I fully understand despite how I may have changed and even if I had the full support of my PPU officer, that going to a country with high levels of child abuse could still result in a refusal. I do feel that those of us that view under 18 year old images are damned as it is considered that we will then hop over to an asian country and physically abuse children. I find that a really sick thing to imply. Hi I do feel that those of us that view under 18 year old images are damned as it is considered that we will then hop over to an Asian country and physically abuse children. I find that a really sick thing to imply.
It is not only image viewing that fall into this presumption. Unfortunately I am of the belief it is the perception that fuels the "distrust" against a SO. In my case I have been to SE Asia circa 8 times; even whilst on bail, no offences or accusations, but "society" have their own belief on every ex-SO is a SO no matter the offence, even if it is not proved. Ask a stranger why a man (or woman) goes to SE Asia. Well the reason I love Asia is I love the different cultures and the people are normally very kind. To say that sex is the main reason people go to Asia is simply grossly wrong. I went to China alone 8 and 10 years ago to explore the country and push myself into an area of travel that was alien for me. I made friends who I still have today. I think it is horrible that people relate to countries like Thailand, Philippines, Vietnam etc as a place to go for sex tourists. That, I might suggest is a minority. I am a traveller and have never taken that view and never will. It is important to respect everyone is this world. Hi During my stay in Hanoi, in the early evening I would go to the local park areas throughout the city where the locals of all ages would gather to talk, dance, exercise. The impression it gave as "age and sex" was not seen as a divisive elements, was one of respect and community wellbeing focused. It was ruined one night when I heard an American female telling / warning females of the "sex addictive and predatory western males". I listen for a while and then asked her "Not removing the faults of western men, but why are you dismissing the western females from this statement, and informed her that the Vietnam war did not create the go-go bar, it came from the Chinese and Japanese cultures centuries before." I received verbal abuse from the American and then spent many hours discussing and answering many questions from the same females on "our culture" and their perception of it gained from American TV shows. It was one of the most interesting evening I have ever spent. In short you can compare an ex-so wish to visit SE Asia in the same many as your PPU officer seeing you walk through a red light area; you must be there for sex, even though your route to the nearest Tesco takes you that way.
Society suggests I must let go of all my expectations but I disagree, as whilst I have a voice, I have hope.
Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope is for tomorrow else what is left if you remove a mans hope.
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+x+xGiven that we already have a provision for foreign travel bans, as part of an SHPO, you would think that anyone who was considered at risk of offending abroad, would have that written into their SHPO. That would leave the rest of us free to travel, without being under constant suspicion and risk of harassment. The system of Interpol notices, would then act as a backup, to cover situations where a new risk was identified, that had not been picked up at the original trial. Instead, the PPU are free to imagine any risk they choose and to act disproportionately to address it, in contravention of the R v Smith proportionality rules. If I read this correctly Harry, then you went to the Philippines without discussing it with the PPU first. You would have told the sergeant at your local police station, where you were going and filled in the forms. That information was subsequently picked up by the PPU. They may have been aware that you had a friend there, but they did not attempt to contact you, to discuss why you were going there. They may have just seen the word 'Philippines' on the computer and issued a green notice automatically, without thinking any more about it. This really highlights the importance of keeping in contact with the PPU, particularly if they only visit once a year. The police are not under any obligation to reach out to you and discuss your reasons for going abroad. You cannot assume, that they are going to be ok with you travelling, you should always ask them first. If they don't respond, then do not go. Their silence should not be taken as tacit approval. Before going back there, you may want to check with Interpol first, to see if there are any notices outstanding. But you should still consult the PPU as well. https://www.interpol.int/en/Who-we-are/Commission-for-the-Control-of-INTERPOL-s-Files-CCF/How-to-submit-a-request Yes thank you for your thoughts. I think looking back, I may not have told him why I was going back and as it was within my first year, he really didn't know me. Now I have a good relationship with my PPU who trusts me 100% and knows my lifestyle and my contacts overseas, so I always discuss travel with him first. He likes the fact that I am totally honest with him. I have no reason to lie and I did too much of that while being married (thats another story !!), so now I am always honest and a better person - well I was never a bad person, I just had a gay porn addiction. It is a shame Interpol do not inform the person that a Notice will be issued though. It certainly would save a lot of stress and heartbreak for people. I would have simply cancelled the flight. Harry, I say this with all respect to you and you PPU officer whom I hope is as you say. Unless it is in writing and can be used by you with their authority, be careful talking comments given in the manner you have described. I have, via documents provided by my current PPU, proved that a previous officer emailed me twice to confirm the status of my SOR initial registration date, and yet the Police record shows that in between the 2 emails he entered a record stating they have informed me of a different date and status. All I can say is that "some" individuals will provide comfort and bliss to you to try and have an easy life when meeting you, but as they know it is unlikely you will see the records, enter data that is more in line with the local policy for handling SO. To clarify I, by my approach of demonstrating I understand their role in society, and confirming and questioning responses in writing, try to have a mutual and respective relationship with my PPU.
Society suggests I must let go of all my expectations but I disagree, as whilst I have a voice, I have hope.
Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope is for tomorrow else what is left if you remove a mans hope.
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+x+x+xGiven that we already have a provision for foreign travel bans, as part of an SHPO, you would think that anyone who was considered at risk of offending abroad, would have that written into their SHPO. That would leave the rest of us free to travel, without being under constant suspicion and risk of harassment. The system of Interpol notices, would then act as a backup, to cover situations where a new risk was identified, that had not been picked up at the original trial. Instead, the PPU are free to imagine any risk they choose and to act disproportionately to address it, in contravention of the R v Smith proportionality rules. If I read this correctly Harry, then you went to the Philippines without discussing it with the PPU first. You would have told the sergeant at your local police station, where you were going and filled in the forms. That information was subsequently picked up by the PPU. They may have been aware that you had a friend there, but they did not attempt to contact you, to discuss why you were going there. They may have just seen the word 'Philippines' on the computer and issued a green notice automatically, without thinking any more about it. This really highlights the importance of keeping in contact with the PPU, particularly if they only visit once a year. The police are not under any obligation to reach out to you and discuss your reasons for going abroad. You cannot assume, that they are going to be ok with you travelling, you should always ask them first. If they don't respond, then do not go. Their silence should not be taken as tacit approval. Before going back there, you may want to check with Interpol first, to see if there are any notices outstanding. But you should still consult the PPU as well. https://www.interpol.int/en/Who-we-are/Commission-for-the-Control-of-INTERPOL-s-Files-CCF/How-to-submit-a-request Yes thank you for your thoughts. I think looking back, I may not have told him why I was going back and as it was within my first year, he really didn't know me. Now I have a good relationship with my PPU who trusts me 100% and knows my lifestyle and my contacts overseas, so I always discuss travel with him first. He likes the fact that I am totally honest with him. I have no reason to lie and I did too much of that while being married (thats another story !!), so now I am always honest and a better person - well I was never a bad person, I just had a gay porn addiction. It is a shame Interpol do not inform the person that a Notice will be issued though. It certainly would save a lot of stress and heartbreak for people. I would have simply cancelled the flight. Harry, I say this with all respect to you and you PPU officer whom I hope is as you say. Unless it is in writing and can be used by you with their authority, be careful talking comments given in the manner you have described. I have, via documents provided by my current PPU, proved that a previous officer emailed me twice to confirm the status of my SOR initial registration date, and yet the Police record shows that in between the 2 emails he entered a record stating they have informed me of a different date and status. All I can say is that "some" individuals will provide comfort and bliss to you to try and have an easy life when meeting you, but as they know it is unlikely you will see the records, enter data that is more in line with the local policy for handling SO. To clarify I, by my approach of demonstrating I understand their role in society, and confirming and questioning responses in writing, try to have a mutual and respective relationship with my PPU. You've hit the nail on the head there. The most important thing to remember is that for them there is no such thing as an ex-SO. They are trained to assume that any ex-SO is probably just waiting for a chance to re-offend. That is their attitude until you are off their books, and then suddenly it's like you never existed.
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+x+x+xGiven that we already have a provision for foreign travel bans, as part of an SHPO, you would think that anyone who was considered at risk of offending abroad, would have that written into their SHPO. That would leave the rest of us free to travel, without being under constant suspicion and risk of harassment. The system of Interpol notices, would then act as a backup, to cover situations where a new risk was identified, that had not been picked up at the original trial. Instead, the PPU are free to imagine any risk they choose and to act disproportionately to address it, in contravention of the R v Smith proportionality rules. If I read this correctly Harry, then you went to the Philippines without discussing it with the PPU first. You would have told the sergeant at your local police station, where you were going and filled in the forms. That information was subsequently picked up by the PPU. They may have been aware that you had a friend there, but they did not attempt to contact you, to discuss why you were going there. They may have just seen the word 'Philippines' on the computer and issued a green notice automatically, without thinking any more about it. This really highlights the importance of keeping in contact with the PPU, particularly if they only visit once a year. The police are not under any obligation to reach out to you and discuss your reasons for going abroad. You cannot assume, that they are going to be ok with you travelling, you should always ask them first. If they don't respond, then do not go. Their silence should not be taken as tacit approval. Before going back there, you may want to check with Interpol first, to see if there are any notices outstanding. But you should still consult the PPU as well. https://www.interpol.int/en/Who-we-are/Commission-for-the-Control-of-INTERPOL-s-Files-CCF/How-to-submit-a-request Yes thank you for your thoughts. I think looking back, I may not have told him why I was going back and as it was within my first year, he really didn't know me. Now I have a good relationship with my PPU who trusts me 100% and knows my lifestyle and my contacts overseas, so I always discuss travel with him first. He likes the fact that I am totally honest with him. I have no reason to lie and I did too much of that while being married (thats another story !!), so now I am always honest and a better person - well I was never a bad person, I just had a gay porn addiction. It is a shame Interpol do not inform the person that a Notice will be issued though. It certainly would save a lot of stress and heartbreak for people. I would have simply cancelled the flight. I think it's probably stretching things a bit far, to say that any PPU trusts someone 100%. They are trained to build rapport with people, in order to get those people to disclose potentially useful information. They are always wary of being manipulated by offenders, because they have been trained to believe, that all SO are compulsive liars. They tend to keep their true feelings to themselves, even if they appear friendly on the outside. But, none of that should stop you from asking them straightforward questions, such as: "If I were to travel to the Philippines, would you issue a green notice, yes or no?" When I have discussed Interpol and notices he says he has no connection with them. Thanks for denting my image of the total trust (LOL), but I guess you are right.
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+x+x+x+xGiven that we already have a provision for foreign travel bans, as part of an SHPO, you would think that anyone who was considered at risk of offending abroad, would have that written into their SHPO. That would leave the rest of us free to travel, without being under constant suspicion and risk of harassment. The system of Interpol notices, would then act as a backup, to cover situations where a new risk was identified, that had not been picked up at the original trial. Instead, the PPU are free to imagine any risk they choose and to act disproportionately to address it, in contravention of the R v Smith proportionality rules. If I read this correctly Harry, then you went to the Philippines without discussing it with the PPU first. You would have told the sergeant at your local police station, where you were going and filled in the forms. That information was subsequently picked up by the PPU. They may have been aware that you had a friend there, but they did not attempt to contact you, to discuss why you were going there. They may have just seen the word 'Philippines' on the computer and issued a green notice automatically, without thinking any more about it. This really highlights the importance of keeping in contact with the PPU, particularly if they only visit once a year. The police are not under any obligation to reach out to you and discuss your reasons for going abroad. You cannot assume, that they are going to be ok with you travelling, you should always ask them first. If they don't respond, then do not go. Their silence should not be taken as tacit approval. Before going back there, you may want to check with Interpol first, to see if there are any notices outstanding. But you should still consult the PPU as well. https://www.interpol.int/en/Who-we-are/Commission-for-the-Control-of-INTERPOL-s-Files-CCF/How-to-submit-a-request Yes thank you for your thoughts. I think looking back, I may not have told him why I was going back and as it was within my first year, he really didn't know me. Now I have a good relationship with my PPU who trusts me 100% and knows my lifestyle and my contacts overseas, so I always discuss travel with him first. He likes the fact that I am totally honest with him. I have no reason to lie and I did too much of that while being married (thats another story !!), so now I am always honest and a better person - well I was never a bad person, I just had a gay porn addiction. It is a shame Interpol do not inform the person that a Notice will be issued though. It certainly would save a lot of stress and heartbreak for people. I would have simply cancelled the flight. I think it's probably stretching things a bit far, to say that any PPU trusts someone 100%. They are trained to build rapport with people, in order to get those people to disclose potentially useful information. They are always wary of being manipulated by offenders, because they have been trained to believe, that all SO are compulsive liars. They tend to keep their true feelings to themselves, even if they appear friendly on the outside. But, none of that should stop you from asking them straightforward questions, such as: "If I were to travel to the Philippines, would you issue a green notice, yes or no?" When I have discussed Interpol and notices he says he has no connection with them. Thanks for denting my image of the total trust (LOL), but I guess you are right. Depending on your local force's policy, it might be that your PPU officer doesn't make the decision. It might be someone at HQ, who takes his reports and assessments into account.
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+x+x+x+xGiven that we already have a provision for foreign travel bans, as part of an SHPO, you would think that anyone who was considered at risk of offending abroad, would have that written into their SHPO. That would leave the rest of us free to travel, without being under constant suspicion and risk of harassment. The system of Interpol notices, would then act as a backup, to cover situations where a new risk was identified, that had not been picked up at the original trial. Instead, the PPU are free to imagine any risk they choose and to act disproportionately to address it, in contravention of the R v Smith proportionality rules. If I read this correctly Harry, then you went to the Philippines without discussing it with the PPU first. You would have told the sergeant at your local police station, where you were going and filled in the forms. That information was subsequently picked up by the PPU. They may have been aware that you had a friend there, but they did not attempt to contact you, to discuss why you were going there. They may have just seen the word 'Philippines' on the computer and issued a green notice automatically, without thinking any more about it. This really highlights the importance of keeping in contact with the PPU, particularly if they only visit once a year. The police are not under any obligation to reach out to you and discuss your reasons for going abroad. You cannot assume, that they are going to be ok with you travelling, you should always ask them first. If they don't respond, then do not go. Their silence should not be taken as tacit approval. Before going back there, you may want to check with Interpol first, to see if there are any notices outstanding. But you should still consult the PPU as well. https://www.interpol.int/en/Who-we-are/Commission-for-the-Control-of-INTERPOL-s-Files-CCF/How-to-submit-a-request Yes thank you for your thoughts. I think looking back, I may not have told him why I was going back and as it was within my first year, he really didn't know me. Now I have a good relationship with my PPU who trusts me 100% and knows my lifestyle and my contacts overseas, so I always discuss travel with him first. He likes the fact that I am totally honest with him. I have no reason to lie and I did too much of that while being married (thats another story !!), so now I am always honest and a better person - well I was never a bad person, I just had a gay porn addiction. It is a shame Interpol do not inform the person that a Notice will be issued though. It certainly would save a lot of stress and heartbreak for people. I would have simply cancelled the flight. I think it's probably stretching things a bit far, to say that any PPU trusts someone 100%. They are trained to build rapport with people, in order to get those people to disclose potentially useful information. They are always wary of being manipulated by offenders, because they have been trained to believe, that all SO are compulsive liars. They tend to keep their true feelings to themselves, even if they appear friendly on the outside. But, none of that should stop you from asking them straightforward questions, such as: "If I were to travel to the Philippines, would you issue a green notice, yes or no?" When I have discussed Interpol and notices he says he has no connection with them. Thanks for denting my image of the total trust (LOL), but I guess you are right. remember feedback is not to make you depressed. It is just when a person is punished they by default want to please the punisher etc to try and show they are sorry or wont do it again. We all hope to just become better individuals but can leave ourselves open if we are not also self protective . I'm sure you will see yourself through this period.
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+x+x+x+x+xGiven that we already have a provision for foreign travel bans, as part of an SHPO, you would think that anyone who was considered at risk of offending abroad, would have that written into their SHPO. That would leave the rest of us free to travel, without being under constant suspicion and risk of harassment. The system of Interpol notices, would then act as a backup, to cover situations where a new risk was identified, that had not been picked up at the original trial. Instead, the PPU are free to imagine any risk they choose and to act disproportionately to address it, in contravention of the R v Smith proportionality rules. If I read this correctly Harry, then you went to the Philippines without discussing it with the PPU first. You would have told the sergeant at your local police station, where you were going and filled in the forms. That information was subsequently picked up by the PPU. They may have been aware that you had a friend there, but they did not attempt to contact you, to discuss why you were going there. They may have just seen the word 'Philippines' on the computer and issued a green notice automatically, without thinking any more about it. This really highlights the importance of keeping in contact with the PPU, particularly if they only visit once a year. The police are not under any obligation to reach out to you and discuss your reasons for going abroad. You cannot assume, that they are going to be ok with you travelling, you should always ask them first. If they don't respond, then do not go. Their silence should not be taken as tacit approval. Before going back there, you may want to check with Interpol first, to see if there are any notices outstanding. But you should still consult the PPU as well. https://www.interpol.int/en/Who-we-are/Commission-for-the-Control-of-INTERPOL-s-Files-CCF/How-to-submit-a-request Yes thank you for your thoughts. I think looking back, I may not have told him why I was going back and as it was within my first year, he really didn't know me. Now I have a good relationship with my PPU who trusts me 100% and knows my lifestyle and my contacts overseas, so I always discuss travel with him first. He likes the fact that I am totally honest with him. I have no reason to lie and I did too much of that while being married (thats another story !!), so now I am always honest and a better person - well I was never a bad person, I just had a gay porn addiction. It is a shame Interpol do not inform the person that a Notice will be issued though. It certainly would save a lot of stress and heartbreak for people. I would have simply cancelled the flight. I think it's probably stretching things a bit far, to say that any PPU trusts someone 100%. They are trained to build rapport with people, in order to get those people to disclose potentially useful information. They are always wary of being manipulated by offenders, because they have been trained to believe, that all SO are compulsive liars. They tend to keep their true feelings to themselves, even if they appear friendly on the outside. But, none of that should stop you from asking them straightforward questions, such as: "If I were to travel to the Philippines, would you issue a green notice, yes or no?" When I have discussed Interpol and notices he says he has no connection with them. Thanks for denting my image of the total trust (LOL), but I guess you are right. Depending on your local force's policy, it might be that your PPU officer doesn't make the decision. It might be someone at HQ, who takes his reports and assessments into account. That's correct. Each police force has an international liaison officer (ILO), who deals with foreign travel. The information will be passed to them and they then contact the National Crime Agency (NCA), who in turn, will contact Interpol. So the PPU is right, to say they have no direct connection with Interpol. But they do have an input into the decision, to issue a green notice, or a diffusion. The guidance says; "The final decision in relation to circulating INTERPOL diffusions or colour notices sits with the NCA which, in liaison with the subject’s offender manager and the force’s ILO, consider which notification should be used on a case-by-case basis.” This is an opportunity, to test the nature of that relationship with the PPU. The more they trust you, the more they are likely to tell you about how the process works. If you want to know whether a green notice, or a diffusion, will be issued, or whether one already exists, then the PPU should be able to find out for you, by them asking the ILO, who can then ask the NCA. If the PPU really trusts you 100%, they should make the effort to do this for you, but if they try to fob you off with excuses, it means they want to keep you in the dark, about what they intend to do.
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