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+x+x+x+xI saw on an earlier thread similar to this one, that when entering a country our passports (SOR) flag says no details, but does indicate an offence and possibly a SO has been done . I did not know that a flag actually told any details about the person, so to read that it would tell immigration you could have a SO is alarming. Is this true? When I got refused on my 2nd visit to the Philippines (in 2months) a few years back, I blamed a Green Notice being issued, but I had no confirmation that this was done. having entered to visit friends on the 1st visit, I did get rather a shock, which was distressing. (Understatement!!) Also is it a legal requirement for us to be informed if a Green Notice has been issued? I don't think that will happen to me, but just curious. Hi Harry Before getting into the rabbit warren around green notices and SO travel. Were you not given a reason for the refusal to enter and were you even allowed to visit twice within a two month period in any case, regardless of your SO status? Hi there. The Philippines immigration gave me no information why I was refused entry; the police said nothing, so do only So get a mark on my passport, and without revealing details, the country's immigration know it is possibly that ? I have always been honest and open with the CPO but this refusal happened with my first CPO who did not really get to know me. Did he issue a Green Notice >? Who knows From a previous PPU my understanding was that passports are marked but all this means is use you can't your passport at a UK E-Gate and you must go through a manned station. It also gives an electronic message back to your police offender manager to say you have entered the country and they then check to make sure you have registered the trip with the police. When I asked her if I did travel abroad and was I likely to be stopped she just replied that people get stopped all the time...tried to push her but got nothing further! Obviously if a Green Notice has been issued then this will likely flag up when you arrive abroad and this could lead to problems. If the actual passport was marked, it would mean there was something in the biometric chip, which could be detected by every immigration computer system, in every country. Since no SO is required to hand their passport in to the police, to have the chip amended, when they are put on the SOR, then how do the authorities put that marker on your passport? The answer is that they don't. They put a marker on the UK immigration computer system only, against your passport number, which is why it triggers the E-gate. When we were in the EU, they also used to put a marker on the Schengen computer system as well, but they no longer do this. The only way that they could put a marker on any other countries computer system, is by issuing an Interpol notice. So far as I am aware, the only country which does put a marker on the passport itself, is the USA.
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+x+x+xI saw on an earlier thread similar to this one, that when entering a country our passports (SOR) flag says no details, but does indicate an offence and possibly a SO has been done . I did not know that a flag actually told any details about the person, so to read that it would tell immigration you could have a SO is alarming. Is this true? When I got refused on my 2nd visit to the Philippines (in 2months) a few years back, I blamed a Green Notice being issued, but I had no confirmation that this was done. having entered to visit friends on the 1st visit, I did get rather a shock, which was distressing. (Understatement!!) Also is it a legal requirement for us to be informed if a Green Notice has been issued? I don't think that will happen to me, but just curious. Hi Harry Before getting into the rabbit warren around green notices and SO travel. Were you not given a reason for the refusal to enter and were you even allowed to visit twice within a two month period in any case, regardless of your SO status? Hi there. The Philippines immigration gave me no information why I was refused entry; the police said nothing, so do only So get a mark on my passport, and without revealing details, the country's immigration know it is possibly that ? I have always been honest and open with the CPO but this refusal happened with my first CPO who did not really get to know me. Did he issue a Green Notice >? Who knows From a previous PPU my understanding was that passports are marked but all this means is use you can't your passport at a UK E-Gate and you must go through a manned station. It also gives an electronic message back to your police offender manager to say you have entered the country and they then check to make sure you have registered the trip with the police. When I asked her if I did travel abroad and was I likely to be stopped she just replied that people get stopped all the time...tried to push her but got nothing further! Obviously if a Green Notice has been issued then this will likely flag up when you arrive abroad and this could lead to problems.
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punter99
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+x+x+xI saw on an earlier thread similar to this one, that when entering a country our passports (SOR) flag says no details, but does indicate an offence and possibly a SO has been done . I did not know that a flag actually told any details about the person, so to read that it would tell immigration you could have a SO is alarming. Is this true? When I got refused on my 2nd visit to the Philippines (in 2months) a few years back, I blamed a Green Notice being issued, but I had no confirmation that this was done. having entered to visit friends on the 1st visit, I did get rather a shock, which was distressing. (Understatement!!) Also is it a legal requirement for us to be informed if a Green Notice has been issued? I don't think that will happen to me, but just curious. Hi Harry Before getting into the rabbit warren around green notices and SO travel. Were you not given a reason for the refusal to enter and were you even allowed to visit twice within a two month period in any case, regardless of your SO status? Hi there. The Philippines immigration gave me no information why I was refused entry; the police said nothing, so do only So get a mark on my passport, and without revealing details, the country's immigration know it is possibly that ? I have always been honest and open with the CPO but this refusal happened with my first CPO who did not really get to know me. Did he issue a Green Notice >? Who knows There is no mark on the passport itself. Any marker would be held on the immigration computer system, of the country concerned
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+x+xI saw on an earlier thread similar to this one, that when entering a country our passports (SOR) flag says no details, but does indicate an offence and possibly a SO has been done . I did not know that a flag actually told any details about the person, so to read that it would tell immigration you could have a SO is alarming. Is this true? When I got refused on my 2nd visit to the Philippines (in 2months) a few years back, I blamed a Green Notice being issued, but I had no confirmation that this was done. having entered to visit friends on the 1st visit, I did get rather a shock, which was distressing. (Understatement!!) Also is it a legal requirement for us to be informed if a Green Notice has been issued? I don't think that will happen to me, but just curious. Hi Harry Before getting into the rabbit warren around green notices and SO travel. Were you not given a reason for the refusal to enter and were you even allowed to visit twice within a two month period in any case, regardless of your SO status? Hi there. The Philippines immigration gave me no information why I was refused entry; the police said nothing, so do only So get a mark on my passport, and without revealing details, the country's immigration know it is possibly that ? I have always been honest and open with the CPO but this refusal happened with my first CPO who did not really get to know me. Did he issue a Green Notice >? Who knows
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+xI saw on an earlier thread similar to this one, that when entering a country our passports (SOR) flag says no details, but does indicate an offence and possibly a SO has been done . I did not know that a flag actually told any details about the person, so to read that it would tell immigration you could have a SO is alarming. Is this true? When I got refused on my 2nd visit to the Philippines (in 2months) a few years back, I blamed a Green Notice being issued, but I had no confirmation that this was done. having entered to visit friends on the 1st visit, I did get rather a shock, which was distressing. (Understatement!!) Also is it a legal requirement for us to be informed if a Green Notice has been issued? I don't think that will happen to me, but just curious. Hi Harry Before getting into the rabbit warren around green notices and SO travel. Were you not given a reason for the refusal to enter and were you even allowed to visit twice within a two month period in any case, regardless of your SO status?
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I saw on an earlier thread similar to this one, that when entering a country our passports (SOR) flag says no details, but does indicate an offence and possibly a SO has been done . I did not know that a flag actually told any details about the person, so to read that it would tell immigration you could have a SO is alarming.
Is this true? When I got refused on my 2nd visit to the Philippines (in 2months) a few years back, I blamed a Green Notice being issued, but I had no confirmation that this was done. having entered to visit friends on the 1st visit, I did get rather a shock, which was distressing. (Understatement!!)
Also is it a legal requirement for us to be informed if a Green Notice has been issued? I don't think that will happen to me, but just curious.
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+x+x+x+x+xGiven that we already have a provision for foreign travel bans, as part of an SHPO, you would think that anyone who was considered at risk of offending abroad, would have that written into their SHPO. That would leave the rest of us free to travel, without being under constant suspicion and risk of harassment. The system of Interpol notices, would then act as a backup, to cover situations where a new risk was identified, that had not been picked up at the original trial. Instead, the PPU are free to imagine any risk they choose and to act disproportionately to address it, in contravention of the R v Smith proportionality rules. If I read this correctly Harry, then you went to the Philippines without discussing it with the PPU first. You would have told the sergeant at your local police station, where you were going and filled in the forms. That information was subsequently picked up by the PPU. They may have been aware that you had a friend there, but they did not attempt to contact you, to discuss why you were going there. They may have just seen the word 'Philippines' on the computer and issued a green notice automatically, without thinking any more about it. This really highlights the importance of keeping in contact with the PPU, particularly if they only visit once a year. The police are not under any obligation to reach out to you and discuss your reasons for going abroad. You cannot assume, that they are going to be ok with you travelling, you should always ask them first. If they don't respond, then do not go. Their silence should not be taken as tacit approval. Before going back there, you may want to check with Interpol first, to see if there are any notices outstanding. But you should still consult the PPU as well. https://www.interpol.int/en/Who-we-are/Commission-for-the-Control-of-INTERPOL-s-Files-CCF/How-to-submit-a-request Yes thank you for your thoughts. I think looking back, I may not have told him why I was going back and as it was within my first year, he really didn't know me. Now I have a good relationship with my PPU who trusts me 100% and knows my lifestyle and my contacts overseas, so I always discuss travel with him first. He likes the fact that I am totally honest with him. I have no reason to lie and I did too much of that while being married (thats another story !!), so now I am always honest and a better person - well I was never a bad person, I just had a gay porn addiction. It is a shame Interpol do not inform the person that a Notice will be issued though. It certainly would save a lot of stress and heartbreak for people. I would have simply cancelled the flight. I think it's probably stretching things a bit far, to say that any PPU trusts someone 100%. They are trained to build rapport with people, in order to get those people to disclose potentially useful information. They are always wary of being manipulated by offenders, because they have been trained to believe, that all SO are compulsive liars. They tend to keep their true feelings to themselves, even if they appear friendly on the outside. But, none of that should stop you from asking them straightforward questions, such as: "If I were to travel to the Philippines, would you issue a green notice, yes or no?" When I have discussed Interpol and notices he says he has no connection with them. Thanks for denting my image of the total trust (LOL), but I guess you are right. Depending on your local force's policy, it might be that your PPU officer doesn't make the decision. It might be someone at HQ, who takes his reports and assessments into account. That's correct. Each police force has an international liaison officer (ILO), who deals with foreign travel. The information will be passed to them and they then contact the National Crime Agency (NCA), who in turn, will contact Interpol. So the PPU is right, to say they have no direct connection with Interpol. But they do have an input into the decision, to issue a green notice, or a diffusion. The guidance says; "The final decision in relation to circulating INTERPOL diffusions or colour notices sits with the NCA which, in liaison with the subject’s offender manager and the force’s ILO, consider which notification should be used on a case-by-case basis.” This is an opportunity, to test the nature of that relationship with the PPU. The more they trust you, the more they are likely to tell you about how the process works. If you want to know whether a green notice, or a diffusion, will be issued, or whether one already exists, then the PPU should be able to find out for you, by them asking the ILO, who can then ask the NCA. If the PPU really trusts you 100%, they should make the effort to do this for you, but if they try to fob you off with excuses, it means they want to keep you in the dark, about what they intend to do.
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+x+x+x+xGiven that we already have a provision for foreign travel bans, as part of an SHPO, you would think that anyone who was considered at risk of offending abroad, would have that written into their SHPO. That would leave the rest of us free to travel, without being under constant suspicion and risk of harassment. The system of Interpol notices, would then act as a backup, to cover situations where a new risk was identified, that had not been picked up at the original trial. Instead, the PPU are free to imagine any risk they choose and to act disproportionately to address it, in contravention of the R v Smith proportionality rules. If I read this correctly Harry, then you went to the Philippines without discussing it with the PPU first. You would have told the sergeant at your local police station, where you were going and filled in the forms. That information was subsequently picked up by the PPU. They may have been aware that you had a friend there, but they did not attempt to contact you, to discuss why you were going there. They may have just seen the word 'Philippines' on the computer and issued a green notice automatically, without thinking any more about it. This really highlights the importance of keeping in contact with the PPU, particularly if they only visit once a year. The police are not under any obligation to reach out to you and discuss your reasons for going abroad. You cannot assume, that they are going to be ok with you travelling, you should always ask them first. If they don't respond, then do not go. Their silence should not be taken as tacit approval. Before going back there, you may want to check with Interpol first, to see if there are any notices outstanding. But you should still consult the PPU as well. https://www.interpol.int/en/Who-we-are/Commission-for-the-Control-of-INTERPOL-s-Files-CCF/How-to-submit-a-request Yes thank you for your thoughts. I think looking back, I may not have told him why I was going back and as it was within my first year, he really didn't know me. Now I have a good relationship with my PPU who trusts me 100% and knows my lifestyle and my contacts overseas, so I always discuss travel with him first. He likes the fact that I am totally honest with him. I have no reason to lie and I did too much of that while being married (thats another story !!), so now I am always honest and a better person - well I was never a bad person, I just had a gay porn addiction. It is a shame Interpol do not inform the person that a Notice will be issued though. It certainly would save a lot of stress and heartbreak for people. I would have simply cancelled the flight. I think it's probably stretching things a bit far, to say that any PPU trusts someone 100%. They are trained to build rapport with people, in order to get those people to disclose potentially useful information. They are always wary of being manipulated by offenders, because they have been trained to believe, that all SO are compulsive liars. They tend to keep their true feelings to themselves, even if they appear friendly on the outside. But, none of that should stop you from asking them straightforward questions, such as: "If I were to travel to the Philippines, would you issue a green notice, yes or no?" When I have discussed Interpol and notices he says he has no connection with them. Thanks for denting my image of the total trust (LOL), but I guess you are right. remember feedback is not to make you depressed. It is just when a person is punished they by default want to please the punisher etc to try and show they are sorry or wont do it again. We all hope to just become better individuals but can leave ourselves open if we are not also self protective . I'm sure you will see yourself through this period.
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+x+x+x+xGiven that we already have a provision for foreign travel bans, as part of an SHPO, you would think that anyone who was considered at risk of offending abroad, would have that written into their SHPO. That would leave the rest of us free to travel, without being under constant suspicion and risk of harassment. The system of Interpol notices, would then act as a backup, to cover situations where a new risk was identified, that had not been picked up at the original trial. Instead, the PPU are free to imagine any risk they choose and to act disproportionately to address it, in contravention of the R v Smith proportionality rules. If I read this correctly Harry, then you went to the Philippines without discussing it with the PPU first. You would have told the sergeant at your local police station, where you were going and filled in the forms. That information was subsequently picked up by the PPU. They may have been aware that you had a friend there, but they did not attempt to contact you, to discuss why you were going there. They may have just seen the word 'Philippines' on the computer and issued a green notice automatically, without thinking any more about it. This really highlights the importance of keeping in contact with the PPU, particularly if they only visit once a year. The police are not under any obligation to reach out to you and discuss your reasons for going abroad. You cannot assume, that they are going to be ok with you travelling, you should always ask them first. If they don't respond, then do not go. Their silence should not be taken as tacit approval. Before going back there, you may want to check with Interpol first, to see if there are any notices outstanding. But you should still consult the PPU as well. https://www.interpol.int/en/Who-we-are/Commission-for-the-Control-of-INTERPOL-s-Files-CCF/How-to-submit-a-request Yes thank you for your thoughts. I think looking back, I may not have told him why I was going back and as it was within my first year, he really didn't know me. Now I have a good relationship with my PPU who trusts me 100% and knows my lifestyle and my contacts overseas, so I always discuss travel with him first. He likes the fact that I am totally honest with him. I have no reason to lie and I did too much of that while being married (thats another story !!), so now I am always honest and a better person - well I was never a bad person, I just had a gay porn addiction. It is a shame Interpol do not inform the person that a Notice will be issued though. It certainly would save a lot of stress and heartbreak for people. I would have simply cancelled the flight. I think it's probably stretching things a bit far, to say that any PPU trusts someone 100%. They are trained to build rapport with people, in order to get those people to disclose potentially useful information. They are always wary of being manipulated by offenders, because they have been trained to believe, that all SO are compulsive liars. They tend to keep their true feelings to themselves, even if they appear friendly on the outside. But, none of that should stop you from asking them straightforward questions, such as: "If I were to travel to the Philippines, would you issue a green notice, yes or no?" When I have discussed Interpol and notices he says he has no connection with them. Thanks for denting my image of the total trust (LOL), but I guess you are right. Depending on your local force's policy, it might be that your PPU officer doesn't make the decision. It might be someone at HQ, who takes his reports and assessments into account.
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+x+x+xGiven that we already have a provision for foreign travel bans, as part of an SHPO, you would think that anyone who was considered at risk of offending abroad, would have that written into their SHPO. That would leave the rest of us free to travel, without being under constant suspicion and risk of harassment. The system of Interpol notices, would then act as a backup, to cover situations where a new risk was identified, that had not been picked up at the original trial. Instead, the PPU are free to imagine any risk they choose and to act disproportionately to address it, in contravention of the R v Smith proportionality rules. If I read this correctly Harry, then you went to the Philippines without discussing it with the PPU first. You would have told the sergeant at your local police station, where you were going and filled in the forms. That information was subsequently picked up by the PPU. They may have been aware that you had a friend there, but they did not attempt to contact you, to discuss why you were going there. They may have just seen the word 'Philippines' on the computer and issued a green notice automatically, without thinking any more about it. This really highlights the importance of keeping in contact with the PPU, particularly if they only visit once a year. The police are not under any obligation to reach out to you and discuss your reasons for going abroad. You cannot assume, that they are going to be ok with you travelling, you should always ask them first. If they don't respond, then do not go. Their silence should not be taken as tacit approval. Before going back there, you may want to check with Interpol first, to see if there are any notices outstanding. But you should still consult the PPU as well. https://www.interpol.int/en/Who-we-are/Commission-for-the-Control-of-INTERPOL-s-Files-CCF/How-to-submit-a-request Yes thank you for your thoughts. I think looking back, I may not have told him why I was going back and as it was within my first year, he really didn't know me. Now I have a good relationship with my PPU who trusts me 100% and knows my lifestyle and my contacts overseas, so I always discuss travel with him first. He likes the fact that I am totally honest with him. I have no reason to lie and I did too much of that while being married (thats another story !!), so now I am always honest and a better person - well I was never a bad person, I just had a gay porn addiction. It is a shame Interpol do not inform the person that a Notice will be issued though. It certainly would save a lot of stress and heartbreak for people. I would have simply cancelled the flight. I think it's probably stretching things a bit far, to say that any PPU trusts someone 100%. They are trained to build rapport with people, in order to get those people to disclose potentially useful information. They are always wary of being manipulated by offenders, because they have been trained to believe, that all SO are compulsive liars. They tend to keep their true feelings to themselves, even if they appear friendly on the outside. But, none of that should stop you from asking them straightforward questions, such as: "If I were to travel to the Philippines, would you issue a green notice, yes or no?" When I have discussed Interpol and notices he says he has no connection with them. Thanks for denting my image of the total trust (LOL), but I guess you are right.
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