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Lets List Countries That Refuse Entry to people with a SOR


Lets List Countries That Refuse Entry to people with a SOR

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BenS - 11 Jun 19 8:16 AM
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RMUK - 6 Jun 19 2:45 PM
It says if you are travelling to a "high-risk" country in terms of CSE, they may send a green notice regardless of whether you are low risk or not.

I have travelled to Thailand while on the SOR. A high-risk country for CSE in anyone's book I think.

I went there for a friend's wedding. I fully notified and told my police person about the circumstances of the trip and where exactly I would be going. It was in a quiet area in the north of Thailand, far from the tourist areas in Bangkok and southern Thailand where dodgy stuff goes on. The officer didn't express any reservations when I told him, filled in the form apparently unconcerned. I didn't bother asking about a green notice as I knew he would not give a straight answer. Got in no problem, so either no green notice or poor IT on their side!

Also, thanks for those two links, they are both excellent, I hadn't come across them before. Very useful, thanks!

How long ago was this roughly?
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RMUK - 6 Jun 19 2:45 PM
It says if you are travelling to a "high-risk" country in terms of CSE, they may send a green notice regardless of whether you are low risk or not.

I have travelled to Thailand while on the SOR. A high-risk country for CSE in anyone's book I think.

I went there for a friend's wedding. I fully notified and told my police person about the circumstances of the trip and where exactly I would be going. It was in a quiet area in the north of Thailand, far from the tourist areas in Bangkok and southern Thailand where dodgy stuff goes on. The officer didn't express any reservations when I told him, filled in the form apparently unconcerned. I didn't bother asking about a green notice as I knew he would not give a straight answer. Got in no problem, so either no green notice or poor IT on their side!

Also, thanks for those two links, they are both excellent, I hadn't come across them before. Very useful, thanks!
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RMUK - 6 Jun 19 3:47 PM
AB2014 - 6 Jun 19 3:38 PM
RMUK - 6 Jun 19 3:30 PM
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RMUK - 6 Jun 19 2:45 PM
I am on SOR for 3 years and community supervision order for downloading related offences. I get seen by PPU once every 6 months and my MAPPA social worker monthly.

I have booked to go to Dominican Republic later this year. I have read and read online and I cannot find any sources of a UK Citizen being denied entry to Dominican Republic while on SOR.

My PPU officer seems to think it is a risk but on the other hand he think's it will be fine? His only source of information is "it's always a risk when you travel outside EU as you dont have a right to enter any non-EU country".

I have flat-out asked whether he will issue a Green Notice to Interpol, but I have not yet got a straight answer. In fact, he says that it is outwith his remit and all he does is fill in a form and send it to the "international unit" and it is them who carry out the risk assessment and make the call.

I am very much hoping that as long as a Green Notice is not issued, then I will be fine with Dominican.

I've seen someone on here be refused entry to Mexico, but Mexico are part of the US "Angel Watch"/ "Megan's Law" programme so they notify everyone.

I've attached 2 documents  I found online which explain in detail what the police processes are.

It says if you are travelling to a "high-risk" country in terms of CSE, they may send a green notice regardless of whether you are low risk or not.

Any insight of this destination would be greatly greatly appreciated!

PS. If I get refused, what are the chances that my travel insurance would cover it? Given that it is out of my control?

It might be that nobody who was stopped reported it online when they got back.... Even so, it would all depend on what the police's decision is. If they issue a green notice, they are effectively saying that they think you are going abroad to offend (which is what green notices are for), so you would almost certainly be stopped. Holders of a UK passport don't need a visa, so you wouldn't need to notify them ahead of your arrival. That may or may not influence the police's decision on whether to issue a green notice. Some forces do it after a full risk assessment, while others seem to take the approach that if you're on the SOR it's a risk they don't want to take. In terms of your travel insurance, did they ask about your criminal record when you took out the insurance? If not, is it in the policy documents or their assumptions? If the disclosure question is there, then they would probably avoid the policy, but if it isn't then you might get money, depending on any exclusions in the policy, such as "relating to criminal activity", which is suitably loose wording to give them a get-out.

AB2014, Thanks for the quick reply. I asked the OMU/PPU officer specifically if he or any of his colleagues have knowledge of anyone being refused in Dominican, and he went away and checked and called me about 3 days later, saying he had spoken to the "international unit" and they have checked the gov.uk website and Dominican Embassy website and confirmed there is no need for a Visa and there are no restrictions on someone with criminal convictions entering so therefore I should be fine. Regarding the green notice he basically pleaded ignorant and said it wasn't him who issued the details to interpol, it was above his pay grade!

Regarding the insurance, it's actually with my wife's Nationwide bank account, and when I checked the policy at the time of her taking out the insurance it didn't mention anything about the policy being void if you have convictions, it just said in their privacy policy bit "we are allowed to collect information related to unspent past criminal convictions or offences".  Having checked it again it seems they have updated it and now it also says under exclusions any claim arising from "your unlawful act". They couldn't use that clause could they?

Unfortunately, the answer to that might depend on who can afford the best lawyer....  Angry

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Hoping it will not come to that though, and a green notice will not be issued.

I've read that even if a green notice is not issued, they still may send an Interpol "dissemination notice" to the destination country. I wonder how much those are paid attention to though. Last year I went to the DR before I was on the SOR and the agent at the booth didn't even open my passport, just took our landing cards and said on you go! 
I'm guessing though that they must check the flight passenger manifests and that is why the passport check is not thorough.

A diffusion notice is less formal and is actually asking for co-operation rather than warning about someone. What is done depends on what is in the notice and who receives it.
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AB2014 - 6 Jun 19 3:38 PM
RMUK - 6 Jun 19 3:30 PM
AB2014 - 6 Jun 19 2:53 PM
RMUK - 6 Jun 19 2:45 PM
I am on SOR for 3 years and community supervision order for downloading related offences. I get seen by PPU once every 6 months and my MAPPA social worker monthly.

I have booked to go to Dominican Republic later this year. I have read and read online and I cannot find any sources of a UK Citizen being denied entry to Dominican Republic while on SOR.

My PPU officer seems to think it is a risk but on the other hand he think's it will be fine? His only source of information is "it's always a risk when you travel outside EU as you dont have a right to enter any non-EU country".

I have flat-out asked whether he will issue a Green Notice to Interpol, but I have not yet got a straight answer. In fact, he says that it is outwith his remit and all he does is fill in a form and send it to the "international unit" and it is them who carry out the risk assessment and make the call.

I am very much hoping that as long as a Green Notice is not issued, then I will be fine with Dominican.

I've seen someone on here be refused entry to Mexico, but Mexico are part of the US "Angel Watch"/ "Megan's Law" programme so they notify everyone.

I've attached 2 documents  I found online which explain in detail what the police processes are.

It says if you are travelling to a "high-risk" country in terms of CSE, they may send a green notice regardless of whether you are low risk or not.

Any insight of this destination would be greatly greatly appreciated!

PS. If I get refused, what are the chances that my travel insurance would cover it? Given that it is out of my control?

It might be that nobody who was stopped reported it online when they got back.... Even so, it would all depend on what the police's decision is. If they issue a green notice, they are effectively saying that they think you are going abroad to offend (which is what green notices are for), so you would almost certainly be stopped. Holders of a UK passport don't need a visa, so you wouldn't need to notify them ahead of your arrival. That may or may not influence the police's decision on whether to issue a green notice. Some forces do it after a full risk assessment, while others seem to take the approach that if you're on the SOR it's a risk they don't want to take. In terms of your travel insurance, did they ask about your criminal record when you took out the insurance? If not, is it in the policy documents or their assumptions? If the disclosure question is there, then they would probably avoid the policy, but if it isn't then you might get money, depending on any exclusions in the policy, such as "relating to criminal activity", which is suitably loose wording to give them a get-out.

AB2014, Thanks for the quick reply. I asked the OMU/PPU officer specifically if he or any of his colleagues have knowledge of anyone being refused in Dominican, and he went away and checked and called me about 3 days later, saying he had spoken to the "international unit" and they have checked the gov.uk website and Dominican Embassy website and confirmed there is no need for a Visa and there are no restrictions on someone with criminal convictions entering so therefore I should be fine. Regarding the green notice he basically pleaded ignorant and said it wasn't him who issued the details to interpol, it was above his pay grade!

Regarding the insurance, it's actually with my wife's Nationwide bank account, and when I checked the policy at the time of her taking out the insurance it didn't mention anything about the policy being void if you have convictions, it just said in their privacy policy bit "we are allowed to collect information related to unspent past criminal convictions or offences".  Having checked it again it seems they have updated it and now it also says under exclusions any claim arising from "your unlawful act". They couldn't use that clause could they?

Unfortunately, the answer to that might depend on who can afford the best lawyer....  Angry

True Sad 
Hoping it will not come to that though, and a green notice will not be issued.

I've read that even if a green notice is not issued, they still may send an Interpol "dissemination notice" to the destination country. I wonder how much those are paid attention to though. Last year I went to the DR before I was on the SOR and the agent at the booth didn't even open my passport, just took our landing cards and said on you go! 
I'm guessing though that they must check the flight passenger manifests and that is why the passport check is not thorough.
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RMUK - 6 Jun 19 3:30 PM
AB2014 - 6 Jun 19 2:53 PM
RMUK - 6 Jun 19 2:45 PM
I am on SOR for 3 years and community supervision order for downloading related offences. I get seen by PPU once every 6 months and my MAPPA social worker monthly.

I have booked to go to Dominican Republic later this year. I have read and read online and I cannot find any sources of a UK Citizen being denied entry to Dominican Republic while on SOR.

My PPU officer seems to think it is a risk but on the other hand he think's it will be fine? His only source of information is "it's always a risk when you travel outside EU as you dont have a right to enter any non-EU country".

I have flat-out asked whether he will issue a Green Notice to Interpol, but I have not yet got a straight answer. In fact, he says that it is outwith his remit and all he does is fill in a form and send it to the "international unit" and it is them who carry out the risk assessment and make the call.

I am very much hoping that as long as a Green Notice is not issued, then I will be fine with Dominican.

I've seen someone on here be refused entry to Mexico, but Mexico are part of the US "Angel Watch"/ "Megan's Law" programme so they notify everyone.

I've attached 2 documents  I found online which explain in detail what the police processes are.

It says if you are travelling to a "high-risk" country in terms of CSE, they may send a green notice regardless of whether you are low risk or not.

Any insight of this destination would be greatly greatly appreciated!

PS. If I get refused, what are the chances that my travel insurance would cover it? Given that it is out of my control?

It might be that nobody who was stopped reported it online when they got back.... Even so, it would all depend on what the police's decision is. If they issue a green notice, they are effectively saying that they think you are going abroad to offend (which is what green notices are for), so you would almost certainly be stopped. Holders of a UK passport don't need a visa, so you wouldn't need to notify them ahead of your arrival. That may or may not influence the police's decision on whether to issue a green notice. Some forces do it after a full risk assessment, while others seem to take the approach that if you're on the SOR it's a risk they don't want to take. In terms of your travel insurance, did they ask about your criminal record when you took out the insurance? If not, is it in the policy documents or their assumptions? If the disclosure question is there, then they would probably avoid the policy, but if it isn't then you might get money, depending on any exclusions in the policy, such as "relating to criminal activity", which is suitably loose wording to give them a get-out.

AB2014, Thanks for the quick reply. I asked the OMU/PPU officer specifically if he or any of his colleagues have knowledge of anyone being refused in Dominican, and he went away and checked and called me about 3 days later, saying he had spoken to the "international unit" and they have checked the gov.uk website and Dominican Embassy website and confirmed there is no need for a Visa and there are no restrictions on someone with criminal convictions entering so therefore I should be fine. Regarding the green notice he basically pleaded ignorant and said it wasn't him who issued the details to interpol, it was above his pay grade!

Regarding the insurance, it's actually with my wife's Nationwide bank account, and when I checked the policy at the time of her taking out the insurance it didn't mention anything about the policy being void if you have convictions, it just said in their privacy policy bit "we are allowed to collect information related to unspent past criminal convictions or offences".  Having checked it again it seems they have updated it and now it also says under exclusions any claim arising from "your unlawful act". They couldn't use that clause could they?

Unfortunately, the answer to that might depend on who can afford the best lawyer....  Angry
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AB2014 - 6 Jun 19 2:53 PM
RMUK - 6 Jun 19 2:45 PM
I am on SOR for 3 years and community supervision order for downloading related offences. I get seen by PPU once every 6 months and my MAPPA social worker monthly.

I have booked to go to Dominican Republic later this year. I have read and read online and I cannot find any sources of a UK Citizen being denied entry to Dominican Republic while on SOR.

My PPU officer seems to think it is a risk but on the other hand he think's it will be fine? His only source of information is "it's always a risk when you travel outside EU as you dont have a right to enter any non-EU country".

I have flat-out asked whether he will issue a Green Notice to Interpol, but I have not yet got a straight answer. In fact, he says that it is outwith his remit and all he does is fill in a form and send it to the "international unit" and it is them who carry out the risk assessment and make the call.

I am very much hoping that as long as a Green Notice is not issued, then I will be fine with Dominican.

I've seen someone on here be refused entry to Mexico, but Mexico are part of the US "Angel Watch"/ "Megan's Law" programme so they notify everyone.

I've attached 2 documents  I found online which explain in detail what the police processes are.

It says if you are travelling to a "high-risk" country in terms of CSE, they may send a green notice regardless of whether you are low risk or not.

Any insight of this destination would be greatly greatly appreciated!

PS. If I get refused, what are the chances that my travel insurance would cover it? Given that it is out of my control?

It might be that nobody who was stopped reported it online when they got back.... Even so, it would all depend on what the police's decision is. If they issue a green notice, they are effectively saying that they think you are going abroad to offend (which is what green notices are for), so you would almost certainly be stopped. Holders of a UK passport don't need a visa, so you wouldn't need to notify them ahead of your arrival. That may or may not influence the police's decision on whether to issue a green notice. Some forces do it after a full risk assessment, while others seem to take the approach that if you're on the SOR it's a risk they don't want to take. In terms of your travel insurance, did they ask about your criminal record when you took out the insurance? If not, is it in the policy documents or their assumptions? If the disclosure question is there, then they would probably avoid the policy, but if it isn't then you might get money, depending on any exclusions in the policy, such as "relating to criminal activity", which is suitably loose wording to give them a get-out.

AB2014, Thanks for the quick reply. I asked the OMU/PPU officer specifically if he or any of his colleagues have knowledge of anyone being refused in Dominican, and he went away and checked and called me about 3 days later, saying he had spoken to the "international unit" and they have checked the gov.uk website and Dominican Embassy website and confirmed there is no need for a Visa and there are no restrictions on someone with criminal convictions entering so therefore I should be fine. Regarding the green notice he basically pleaded ignorant and said it wasn't him who issued the details to interpol, it was above his pay grade!

Regarding the insurance, it's actually with my wife's Nationwide bank account, and when I checked the policy at the time of her taking out the insurance it didn't mention anything about the policy being void if you have convictions, it just said in their privacy policy bit "we are allowed to collect information related to unspent past criminal convictions or offences".  Having checked it again it seems they have updated it and now it also says under exclusions any claim arising from "your unlawful act". They couldn't use that clause could they?
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RMUK - 6 Jun 19 2:45 PM
I am on SOR for 3 years and community supervision order for downloading related offences. I get seen by PPU once every 6 months and my MAPPA social worker monthly.

I have booked to go to Dominican Republic later this year. I have read and read online and I cannot find any sources of a UK Citizen being denied entry to Dominican Republic while on SOR.

My PPU officer seems to think it is a risk but on the other hand he think's it will be fine? His only source of information is "it's always a risk when you travel outside EU as you dont have a right to enter any non-EU country".

I have flat-out asked whether he will issue a Green Notice to Interpol, but I have not yet got a straight answer. In fact, he says that it is outwith his remit and all he does is fill in a form and send it to the "international unit" and it is them who carry out the risk assessment and make the call.

I am very much hoping that as long as a Green Notice is not issued, then I will be fine with Dominican.

I've seen someone on here be refused entry to Mexico, but Mexico are part of the US "Angel Watch"/ "Megan's Law" programme so they notify everyone.

I've attached 2 documents  I found online which explain in detail what the police processes are.

It says if you are travelling to a "high-risk" country in terms of CSE, they may send a green notice regardless of whether you are low risk or not.

Any insight of this destination would be greatly greatly appreciated!

PS. If I get refused, what are the chances that my travel insurance would cover it? Given that it is out of my control?

It might be that nobody who was stopped reported it online when they got back.... Even so, it would all depend on what the police's decision is. If they issue a green notice, they are effectively saying that they think you are going abroad to offend (which is what green notices are for), so you would almost certainly be stopped. Holders of a UK passport don't need a visa, so you wouldn't need to notify them ahead of your arrival. That may or may not influence the police's decision on whether to issue a green notice. Some forces do it after a full risk assessment, while others seem to take the approach that if you're on the SOR it's a risk they don't want to take. In terms of your travel insurance, did they ask about your criminal record when you took out the insurance? If not, is it in the policy documents or their assumptions? If the disclosure question is there, then they would probably avoid the policy, but if it isn't then you might get money, depending on any exclusions in the policy, such as "relating to criminal activity", which is suitably loose wording to give them a get-out.
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I am on SOR for 3 years and community supervision order for downloading related offences. I get seen by PPU once every 6 months and my MAPPA social worker monthly.

I have booked to go to Dominican Republic later this year. I have read and read online and I cannot find any sources of a UK Citizen being denied entry to Dominican Republic while on SOR.

My PPU officer seems to think it is a risk but on the other hand he think's it will be fine? His only source of information is "it's always a risk when you travel outside EU as you dont have a right to enter any non-EU country".

I have flat-out asked whether he will issue a Green Notice to Interpol, but I have not yet got a straight answer. In fact, he says that it is outwith his remit and all he does is fill in a form and send it to the "international unit" and it is them who carry out the risk assessment and make the call.

I am very much hoping that as long as a Green Notice is not issued, then I will be fine with Dominican.

I've seen someone on here be refused entry to Mexico, but Mexico are part of the US "Angel Watch"/ "Megan's Law" programme so they notify everyone.

I've attached 2 documents  I found online which explain in detail what the police processes are.

It says if you are travelling to a "high-risk" country in terms of CSE, they may send a green notice regardless of whether you are low risk or not.

Any insight of this destination would be greatly greatly appreciated!

PS. If I get refused, what are the chances that my travel insurance would cover it? Given that it is out of my control?
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BenS - 7 Sep 18 10:49 AM
Monkos - 28 Aug 18 6:36 PM

Again, they have to tell you if they are going to do that, and they have to have a legitimate reason to think you are going there to commit a new crime.

Can you provide the source of this information?

As far as I know, and according to multiple sources and personal testimonies, the PPU has absolutely no obligation whatsoever to tell you whether they will add a green notice to your passport. Moreover, it is highly likely that they will not tell you. Stories on here of people asking their PPU flat-out whether they have a green notice have always resulted in the PPU refusing to answer.

If you notify travel to any EU or Schengen country, a SISII alert will always be generated. The PPU has no discretion here. But this is not a huge deal (currently), as you have the basically unconditional right to enter any EU country (the existence of convictions is not valid grounds to refuse an EU citizen entry to an EU country). You might get some tough questions but will then be let through.

But if you notify travel to a non-EU, non-Schengen country, as far as I know it is totally up to the PPU's discretion as to whether or not to issue an Interpol green notice, and they don't have to tell you.



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BenS - 7 Sep 18 10:49 AM
Monkos - 28 Aug 18 6:36 PM

Again, they have to tell you if they are going to do that, and they have to have a legitimate reason to think you are going there to commit a new crime.

Can you provide the source of this information?

As far as I know, and according to multiple sources and personal testimonies, the PPU has absolutely no obligation whatsoever to tell you whether they will add a green notice to your passport. Moreover, it is highly likely that they will not tell you. Stories on here of people asking their PPU flat-out whether they have a green notice have always resulted in the PPU refusing to answer.

If you notify travel to any EU or Schengen country, a SISII alert will always be generated. The PPU has no discretion here. But this is not a huge deal (currently), as you have the basically unconditional right to enter any EU country (the existence of convictions is not valid grounds to refuse an EU citizen entry to an EU country). You might get some tough questions but will then be let through.

But if you notify travel to a non-EU, non-Schengen country, as far as I know it is totally up to the PPU's discretion as to whether or not to issue an Interpol green notice, and they don't have to tell you.

As per my other reply, this is from expert lawyers. If you are on the SOR, you should validate everything PPU do with your lawyer to make sure they don't abuse the system.
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