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Realistically, you all would say that wherever I go in the country, I am extremely unlikely to be employed.
I ask because I want to move and leave my parents house because I don’t want to put them through all the stuff or the next 15 years. I should just find a place that will allow me to live on as little as possible, Ie near a supermarket, job centre and the police station and not get hopes up about ever being employed again?
At the moment luckily I’ve got a kitchen porter job. Probably the last thing I’ll ever be doing before I go through the courts.
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+xNo real updates. I got told from my adviser that a certain job agency was willing to work with people with extra barriers getting into work. Because the need for people for warehouse jobs was so great. They just needed the places filled. So of course application form sent off to join up with them. Heard nothing back and this was last wednesday. So i'm just sitting here looking for what courses I can get myself on. Trying to keep myself busy. Thinking about all the years I have left of this hell. I was let go by Amazon once the basic check came back and didn't get beyond the interview at Tesco once I told them I had an unspent conviction (and I know they called my probation officer who gave them a glowing report). I hope you are right and they have reconsidered these needless policies.
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No real updates. I got told from my adviser that a certain job agency was willing to work with people with extra barriers getting into work. Because the need for people for warehouse jobs was so great. They just needed the places filled. So of course application form sent off to join up with them. Heard nothing back and this was last wednesday. So i'm just sitting here looking for what courses I can get myself on. Trying to keep myself busy. Thinking about all the years I have left of this hell.
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+xUK Careers Fair - DatesHaving looked at their schedule, there's probably one coming near you all soon. Has anyone been to one of these before? It looks separate from the job centre etc I'm tempted to have a browse when it comes near me. I've been to a couple in my city - they're mostly health & social care roles, security, transport & logistics.
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UK Careers Fair - DatesHaving looked at their schedule, there's probably one coming near you all soon. Has anyone been to one of these before? It looks separate from the job centre etc I'm tempted to have a browse when it comes near me.
===== Fighting or Accepting - its difficult to know which is right and when.
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I have spent the last hour catching up on the forum. How is everyone doing. Any updates? I have managed to get on to some courses. All pretty boring. But it gets me out of the house for a few hours. Other than that. Trying to keep myself busy. Keep thinking every day on how I become self employed or something. I just want this all to be over. I'm coming up to nearly 10 years I have been going through this nightmare.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xRight, I know you're all glued to your seats in regards to my life so I thought I'd update you job wise now I've slept on it a couple of days. I got an email from who would be my manager reminding me about the information they need to finalise the job offer. So I sent a decent email back basically saying "Here's the story" with details of the offence/sentence etc. a little bit about how I've moved on and changed since then. I then said that I'm still absolutely interested if they're still willing to give me a shot but if they want to rescind the offer I understand too. So the ball is in their court now. I've been 100% upfront and honest with them, has to count for something right? Hi I understand your approach but the only thing I would may of suggested is that I would of limited the amount you wrote about your offence; obviously agree with saying you have one BUT suggest either a face to face or telephone to provide the details. Many reasons for my approach but in a face to face they / you can see each others reactions and you may possibly stop if you see them reacting horrified. Rightly or wrongly I prefer to limit the amount of information though allowing them to ask questions. I was interviewed by VW for a project role, they were aware of an offence but not details. I was second in line to be interviewed and the first words they said were " no need for the details". My PO had said he would be contacting them if I got the role so I persisted in providing the info. Unknown to me they had already decided on the 1st interviewed contractor and my interview was a nicety as I have travelled there. I learnt a lot that day; especially revisiting my "reading of others" skills. Good luck Oh, when I say I went into the details what I mean was I just named the offence which is Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982 S52(1)(A), if they're super bothered then they can look it up and when I expect to it to be spent. The other bits was more about how I've learned from it and changed myself for the better and how I'm just looking for an opportunity to prove myself. Turns out it was the right move as I got an email back from them really thanking me for the honesty and being upfront about it, letting me know it hasn't scared them away and my role wouldn't need a disclosure anyway. The form in this instance is more for looking after the safety of their staff. So it's good to get that messy bit over with so I can quite happily fill out the forms and send them back today. Obviously, I hope that everything goes to plan and you get the job, but it sounds as though the employer doesn't yet know what the offence is?
If you simply quoted the name of the act, then it sounds pretty innocuous. Civic govt? what's that? maybe just a parking offence, or something minor? If they do bother to look it up and discover the truth, it could be a different story.
The Civic govt act covers a whole range of offences, including public drunkenness, ticket touting and playing loud music, for example. Tucked away inside it, are the image offences, although what they have to do with civic govt, is anybody's guess. This option isn't available to people in England, who would have to reference the Sexual Offences Act 2003, instead. Straight away, it gives the employer a clue.
Will be interesting to see what HR make of it. Anyway, the fact that the Jobcentre are paying the employer to take people on, will probably improve your chances.
Good luck!
Well officially in the eyes of the law the exact law I broke and was charged and sentenced with was the: Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982 S52(1)(A) which relates specifically to images, if you punch it into Google it'll be among the first results you see, I'm under no legal obligation to expand any further on my initial declaration than that. I did also give them my sentencing details too. If they don't look into that specific offence then - without trying to sound rude - that isn't really my problem, I've went above and beyond my legal obligation to them in explaining things a bit more in that email and giving them the opportunity to rescind the offer before anything official came of it but they still wanted to progress, I could've simply just dumped that and called it a day. Yeah, we'll see. HR have actually gotten in touch with me today with regards to my passport which is out of date saying they aren't allowed to accept it as right to work - I had to then show them on their own documentation they gave me as well as legal guidelines that they actually can. So the fact they're seemingly still processing my application and didn't just pull out is slightly promising, I guess. Hi Obviously we all support and congratulate your efforts. that isn't really my problem, May I say as a friend I would not take this stance as no matter what you think it is /will be your problem if they have made a error in their research. We can attempt to be "clever" but they have the power to still let you go when they find out the actual details. in this instance is more for looking after the safety of their staff.
In HR terms this could be used to let you go as some in their current staff may not feel "safe or comfortable" working with you due to the offence. Remember all society sees is the label "sex offender." and no business really wants an "unplanned" negative newspaper story about them. If you are open then the issue is resolved - one way or another. With all due respect, it isn't really my problem so I'm afraid I will have to respectfully disagree there. They wanted to know what offence I committed so I told them the offence I committed (and more which again, I didn't have to). If they don't bother to look further into it then that's on them, not me. I have made no error here. I have done what was requested of me. Worst case scenario is they decide to look into it after I've started and then quietly dismiss me in which I go back to what I've been doing the last 2+ years. I understand where you're coming from, I really do but I'm afraid I just can't see eye-to-eye with you in this instance. Hi I have never said I am right, it is my approach and opinion and you have yours which I respect so good look with yours. On the funny side, I learnt in the military that saying "with all due respect" to an Officer (or anyone in fact) is a discrete way of saying "FU"  I know my friends always laugh when they hear me say it to someone. Obviously I hope you do as well God luck with application. Ha, never heard it used like that before, but I'll keep that noted should you ever reply to one of my comments with it, mate. 
There has sadly been a bit of a hold up with the application but its not the criminal check, it's a prior employer! So I put down my last employment title on my CV, my old employer (about 2.5yrs ago now) has me on their system as my original which was a general customer service support whereas I worked my way up to a management position. So they're iffy on the discrepancy. Sure, so I was upfront about my conviction but this is where I lie?! haha Hi With the greatest of "positiveness" I am sure it will work out. (no hidden meaning there)
Society suggests I must let go of all my expectations but I disagree, as whilst I have a voice, I have hope.
Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope is for tomorrow else what is left if you remove a mans hope.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xRight, I know you're all glued to your seats in regards to my life so I thought I'd update you job wise now I've slept on it a couple of days. I got an email from who would be my manager reminding me about the information they need to finalise the job offer. So I sent a decent email back basically saying "Here's the story" with details of the offence/sentence etc. a little bit about how I've moved on and changed since then. I then said that I'm still absolutely interested if they're still willing to give me a shot but if they want to rescind the offer I understand too. So the ball is in their court now. I've been 100% upfront and honest with them, has to count for something right? Hi I understand your approach but the only thing I would may of suggested is that I would of limited the amount you wrote about your offence; obviously agree with saying you have one BUT suggest either a face to face or telephone to provide the details. Many reasons for my approach but in a face to face they / you can see each others reactions and you may possibly stop if you see them reacting horrified. Rightly or wrongly I prefer to limit the amount of information though allowing them to ask questions. I was interviewed by VW for a project role, they were aware of an offence but not details. I was second in line to be interviewed and the first words they said were " no need for the details". My PO had said he would be contacting them if I got the role so I persisted in providing the info. Unknown to me they had already decided on the 1st interviewed contractor and my interview was a nicety as I have travelled there. I learnt a lot that day; especially revisiting my "reading of others" skills. Good luck Oh, when I say I went into the details what I mean was I just named the offence which is Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982 S52(1)(A), if they're super bothered then they can look it up and when I expect to it to be spent. The other bits was more about how I've learned from it and changed myself for the better and how I'm just looking for an opportunity to prove myself. Turns out it was the right move as I got an email back from them really thanking me for the honesty and being upfront about it, letting me know it hasn't scared them away and my role wouldn't need a disclosure anyway. The form in this instance is more for looking after the safety of their staff. So it's good to get that messy bit over with so I can quite happily fill out the forms and send them back today. Obviously, I hope that everything goes to plan and you get the job, but it sounds as though the employer doesn't yet know what the offence is?
If you simply quoted the name of the act, then it sounds pretty innocuous. Civic govt? what's that? maybe just a parking offence, or something minor? If they do bother to look it up and discover the truth, it could be a different story.
The Civic govt act covers a whole range of offences, including public drunkenness, ticket touting and playing loud music, for example. Tucked away inside it, are the image offences, although what they have to do with civic govt, is anybody's guess. This option isn't available to people in England, who would have to reference the Sexual Offences Act 2003, instead. Straight away, it gives the employer a clue.
Will be interesting to see what HR make of it. Anyway, the fact that the Jobcentre are paying the employer to take people on, will probably improve your chances.
Good luck!
Well officially in the eyes of the law the exact law I broke and was charged and sentenced with was the: Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982 S52(1)(A) which relates specifically to images, if you punch it into Google it'll be among the first results you see, I'm under no legal obligation to expand any further on my initial declaration than that. I did also give them my sentencing details too. If they don't look into that specific offence then - without trying to sound rude - that isn't really my problem, I've went above and beyond my legal obligation to them in explaining things a bit more in that email and giving them the opportunity to rescind the offer before anything official came of it but they still wanted to progress, I could've simply just dumped that and called it a day. Yeah, we'll see. HR have actually gotten in touch with me today with regards to my passport which is out of date saying they aren't allowed to accept it as right to work - I had to then show them on their own documentation they gave me as well as legal guidelines that they actually can. So the fact they're seemingly still processing my application and didn't just pull out is slightly promising, I guess. Hi Obviously we all support and congratulate your efforts. that isn't really my problem, May I say as a friend I would not take this stance as no matter what you think it is /will be your problem if they have made a error in their research. We can attempt to be "clever" but they have the power to still let you go when they find out the actual details. in this instance is more for looking after the safety of their staff.
In HR terms this could be used to let you go as some in their current staff may not feel "safe or comfortable" working with you due to the offence. Remember all society sees is the label "sex offender." and no business really wants an "unplanned" negative newspaper story about them. If you are open then the issue is resolved - one way or another. With all due respect, it isn't really my problem so I'm afraid I will have to respectfully disagree there. They wanted to know what offence I committed so I told them the offence I committed (and more which again, I didn't have to). If they don't bother to look further into it then that's on them, not me. I have made no error here. I have done what was requested of me. Worst case scenario is they decide to look into it after I've started and then quietly dismiss me in which I go back to what I've been doing the last 2+ years. I understand where you're coming from, I really do but I'm afraid I just can't see eye-to-eye with you in this instance. Hi I have never said I am right, it is my approach and opinion and you have yours which I respect so good look with yours. On the funny side, I learnt in the military that saying "with all due respect" to an Officer (or anyone in fact) is a discrete way of saying "FU" I know my friends always laugh when they hear me say it to someone. Obviously I hope you do as well God luck with application. Ha, never heard it used like that before, but I'll keep that noted should you ever reply to one of my comments with it, mate.
There has sadly been a bit of a hold up with the application but its not the criminal check, it's a prior employer! So I put down my last employment title on my CV, my old employer (about 2.5yrs ago now) has me on their system as my original which was a general customer service support whereas I worked my way up to a management position. So they're iffy on the discrepancy. Sure, so I was upfront about my conviction but this is where I lie?! haha
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xRight, I know you're all glued to your seats in regards to my life so I thought I'd update you job wise now I've slept on it a couple of days. I got an email from who would be my manager reminding me about the information they need to finalise the job offer. So I sent a decent email back basically saying "Here's the story" with details of the offence/sentence etc. a little bit about how I've moved on and changed since then. I then said that I'm still absolutely interested if they're still willing to give me a shot but if they want to rescind the offer I understand too. So the ball is in their court now. I've been 100% upfront and honest with them, has to count for something right? Hi I understand your approach but the only thing I would may of suggested is that I would of limited the amount you wrote about your offence; obviously agree with saying you have one BUT suggest either a face to face or telephone to provide the details. Many reasons for my approach but in a face to face they / you can see each others reactions and you may possibly stop if you see them reacting horrified. Rightly or wrongly I prefer to limit the amount of information though allowing them to ask questions. I was interviewed by VW for a project role, they were aware of an offence but not details. I was second in line to be interviewed and the first words they said were " no need for the details". My PO had said he would be contacting them if I got the role so I persisted in providing the info. Unknown to me they had already decided on the 1st interviewed contractor and my interview was a nicety as I have travelled there. I learnt a lot that day; especially revisiting my "reading of others" skills. Good luck Oh, when I say I went into the details what I mean was I just named the offence which is Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982 S52(1)(A), if they're super bothered then they can look it up and when I expect to it to be spent. The other bits was more about how I've learned from it and changed myself for the better and how I'm just looking for an opportunity to prove myself. Turns out it was the right move as I got an email back from them really thanking me for the honesty and being upfront about it, letting me know it hasn't scared them away and my role wouldn't need a disclosure anyway. The form in this instance is more for looking after the safety of their staff. So it's good to get that messy bit over with so I can quite happily fill out the forms and send them back today. Obviously, I hope that everything goes to plan and you get the job, but it sounds as though the employer doesn't yet know what the offence is?
If you simply quoted the name of the act, then it sounds pretty innocuous. Civic govt? what's that? maybe just a parking offence, or something minor? If they do bother to look it up and discover the truth, it could be a different story.
The Civic govt act covers a whole range of offences, including public drunkenness, ticket touting and playing loud music, for example. Tucked away inside it, are the image offences, although what they have to do with civic govt, is anybody's guess. This option isn't available to people in England, who would have to reference the Sexual Offences Act 2003, instead. Straight away, it gives the employer a clue.
Will be interesting to see what HR make of it. Anyway, the fact that the Jobcentre are paying the employer to take people on, will probably improve your chances.
Good luck!
Well officially in the eyes of the law the exact law I broke and was charged and sentenced with was the: Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982 S52(1)(A) which relates specifically to images, if you punch it into Google it'll be among the first results you see, I'm under no legal obligation to expand any further on my initial declaration than that. I did also give them my sentencing details too. If they don't look into that specific offence then - without trying to sound rude - that isn't really my problem, I've went above and beyond my legal obligation to them in explaining things a bit more in that email and giving them the opportunity to rescind the offer before anything official came of it but they still wanted to progress, I could've simply just dumped that and called it a day. Yeah, we'll see. HR have actually gotten in touch with me today with regards to my passport which is out of date saying they aren't allowed to accept it as right to work - I had to then show them on their own documentation they gave me as well as legal guidelines that they actually can. So the fact they're seemingly still processing my application and didn't just pull out is slightly promising, I guess. Hi Obviously we all support and congratulate your efforts. that isn't really my problem, May I say as a friend I would not take this stance as no matter what you think it is /will be your problem if they have made a error in their research. We can attempt to be "clever" but they have the power to still let you go when they find out the actual details. in this instance is more for looking after the safety of their staff.
In HR terms this could be used to let you go as some in their current staff may not feel "safe or comfortable" working with you due to the offence. Remember all society sees is the label "sex offender." and no business really wants an "unplanned" negative newspaper story about them. If you are open then the issue is resolved - one way or another. With all due respect, it isn't really my problem so I'm afraid I will have to respectfully disagree there. They wanted to know what offence I committed so I told them the offence I committed (and more which again, I didn't have to). If they don't bother to look further into it then that's on them, not me. I have made no error here. I have done what was requested of me. Worst case scenario is they decide to look into it after I've started and then quietly dismiss me in which I go back to what I've been doing the last 2+ years. I understand where you're coming from, I really do but I'm afraid I just can't see eye-to-eye with you in this instance. Hi I have never said I am right, it is my approach and opinion and you have yours which I respect so good look with yours. On the funny side, I learnt in the military that saying "with all due respect" to an Officer (or anyone in fact) is a discrete way of saying "FU" I know my friends always laugh when they hear me say it to someone. Obviously I hope you do as well God luck with application.
Society suggests I must let go of all my expectations but I disagree, as whilst I have a voice, I have hope.
Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope is for tomorrow else what is left if you remove a mans hope.
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