With all due respect, it isn't really my problem so I'm afraid I will have to respectfully disagree there. They wanted to know what offence I committed so I told them the offence I committed (and more which again, I didn't have to). If they don't bother to look further into it then that's on them, not me. I have made no error here. I have done what was requested of me. Worst case scenario is they decide to look into it after I've started and then quietly dismiss me in which I go back to what I've been doing the last 2+ years.

I understand where you're coming from, I really do but I'm afraid I just can't see eye-to-eye with you in this instance.

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Obviously we all support and congratulate your efforts.

that isn't really my problem,

May I say as a friend I would not take this stance as no matter what you think it is /will be your problem if they have made a error in their research. We can attempt to be "clever" but they have the power to still let you go when they find out the actual details. 

in this instance is more for looking after the safety of their staff.

In HR terms this could be used to let you go as some in their current staff may not feel "safe or comfortable" working with you due to the offence. Remember all society sees is the label "sex offender." and no business really wants an "unplanned"  negative newspaper story about them.
If you are open then the issue is resolved - one way or another.




Society suggests I must let go of all my expectations but I disagree, as whilst I have a voice, I have hope.

Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope is for tomorrow else what is left if you remove a mans hope.
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Well officially in the eyes of the law the exact law I broke and was charged and sentenced with was the: Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982 S52(1)(A) which relates specifically to images, if you punch it into Google it'll be among the first results you see, I'm under no legal obligation to expand any further on my initial declaration than that. I did also give them my sentencing details too.

If they don't look into that specific offence then - without trying to sound rude -  that isn't really my problem, I've went above and beyond my legal obligation to them in explaining things a bit more in that email and giving them the opportunity to rescind the offer before anything official came of it but they still wanted to progress, I could've simply just dumped that and called it a day.

Yeah, we'll see. HR have actually gotten in touch with me today with regards to my passport which is out of date saying they aren't allowed to accept it as right to work - I had to then show them on their own documentation they gave me as well as legal guidelines that they actually can.

So the fact they're seemingly still processing my application and didn't just pull out is slightly promising, I guess.

Obviously, I hope that everything goes to plan and you get the job, but it sounds as though the employer doesn't yet know what the offence is?

If you simply quoted the name of the act, then it sounds pretty innocuous. Civic govt? what's that? maybe just a parking offence, or something minor?  If they do bother to look it up and discover the truth, it could be a different story.

The Civic govt act covers a whole range of offences, including public drunkenness, ticket touting and playing loud music, for example. Tucked away inside it, are the image offences, although what they have to do with civic govt, is anybody's guess. This option isn't available to people in England, who would have to reference the Sexual Offences Act 2003, instead. Straight away, it gives the employer a clue. 

Will be interesting to see what HR make of it. Anyway, the fact that the Jobcentre are paying the employer to take people on, will probably improve your chances.

Good luck!

The very same one, yeah!

The reason I got back in the email from them was that is for more safeguarding around their staff so they can see if I've perhaps have a history of violent offences or things like that which might put them off. They use the same form for all applicants regardless and will then send off disclosure requests depending on the role (in my instance a disclosure check isn't needed).

While I get the idea behind it, it could maybe have been worded or dealt with a little bit but there you go.

The person (who would be my manager) who replied seemed okay with it but it needs to go through HR first who will likely bring any concerns to that person to make the final call - Given I've been upfront there will be no surprises for them.

So it still isn't 100% set in stone but certainly feeling a little bit better than I was a few days ago, the forms are all filled out and sent back so it's just a waiting game now. Thankfully there also won't be the humiliation of starting the job, a check coming back and having to do the walk of shame out the door as an official offer wouldn't be made until they were happy with everything so that's good too.

As for bravery, yeah, I guess. After sleeping on it over night I had a mild almost epiphany this morning about it. Thinking about everything I've went through regarding my offence, all the court dates, the time in the police cells, all the social work and rehab stuff, all of it, I don't need to bore you with the details as I'm sure you've experience similar. I thought "I managed to get through all that unscathed, answering to court judges and everything. Some random person is nothing, and if they aren't happy with the offence well that's their loss. I know what I'm capable of and I know I'd do great in this role."

Very brave Khafka, I'm glad it's sounding positive. Just checking, is this the same job that you posted that pic of the form asking about disclosure? With that little table asking for details and sentence etc. If it is, that's bizarre they've now said it wouldn't need disclosure anyway.

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Fighting or Accepting - its difficult to know which is right and when.

Oh, when I say I went into the details what I mean was I just named the offence which is Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982 S52(1)(A), if they're super bothered then they can look it up and when I expect to it to be spent. The other bits was more about how I've learned from it and changed myself for the better and how I'm just looking for an opportunity to prove myself.

Turns out it was the right move as I got an email back from them really thanking me for the honesty and being upfront about it, letting me know it hasn't scared them away and my role wouldn't need a disclosure anyway. The form in this instance is more for looking after the safety of their staff.

So it's good to get that messy bit over with so I can quite happily fill out the forms and send them back today.

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I understand your approach but the only thing I would may of suggested is that I would of limited the amount you wrote about your offence; obviously agree with saying you have one BUT suggest either a face to face or telephone to provide the details.

Many reasons for my approach but in a face to face they / you can see each others reactions and you may possibly stop if you see them reacting horrified. 
Rightly or wrongly I prefer to limit the amount of information though allowing them to ask questions.
I was interviewed by VW for a project role, they were aware of an offence but not details. I was second in line to be interviewed and the first words they said were " no need for the details". My PO had said he would be contacting them if I got the role so I persisted in providing the info.
Unknown to me they had already decided on the 1st interviewed contractor and my interview was a nicety as I have travelled there. I learnt a lot that day; especially revisiting my "reading of others" skills.

Good luck

Society suggests I must let go of all my expectations but I disagree, as whilst I have a voice, I have hope.

Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope is for tomorrow else what is left if you remove a mans hope.
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Right, I know you're all glued to your seats in regards to my life so I thought I'd update you job wise now I've slept on it a couple of days.

I got an email from who would be my manager reminding me about the information they need to finalise the job offer. So I sent a decent email back basically saying "Here's the story" with details of the offence/sentence etc. a little bit about how I've moved on and changed since then. I then said that I'm still absolutely interested if they're still willing to give me a shot but if they want to rescind the offer I understand too.

So the ball is in their court now. I've been 100% upfront and honest with them, has to count for something right?

It's interesting you mention that as I've heard people report similar things - At least where the work coach will lay off you for a bit almost I guess as you're seen as a 'lost cause'.

The DWP are aware of my conviction but I declared it years ago when I was sentenced. I've had a few work coaches since then and have declared it to two of them, I'm not doing it again as it was humiliating having to talk about it on the open floor like that as they wouldn't take me aside "for security reasons".